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TheWho:
--- Quote ---Notice TheIt doesn’t answer Lacey, just spewed vague, canned puerility about all programs not being bad?
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Actually your first line goes against everything thewho/theit fights for. If you bothered to read anything that he writes you would know that he doesnt believe "All" programs are good or that "All" programs are bad. He believes both exist
He fights against your type of mentality and propaganda.
Anonymous:
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--- Quote ---Notice TheIt doesn’t answer Lacey, just spewed vague, canned puerility about all programs not being bad?
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Actually your first line goes against everything thewho/theit fights for. If you bothered to read anything that he writes you would know that he doesnt believe "All" programs are good or that "All" programs are bad. He believes both exist
He fights against your type of mentality and propaganda.
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If you could read, you'd understand the phrase "all programs not being bad" doesn't imply all programs are good. Similarly, "all dogs are not poodles," does not imply all dogs are poodles. Try again, child abusing proponant.
TheIt fights for the maintenance of his bank account and gets a twisted thrill by harassing survivors. TheIT is a duplicitous sociopath.
Still waiting for TheITs explanation of how he feels Hidden Lake Academy’s gave her the tools to prepare her for her hypothetical future rape.
Are you gonna regale us with how Hidden Lake Academy helped Lacey by abusing her, and explain your contention, TheIt?
TheWho:
Ha,Ha,Ha, We would love to see the posted link on this one.
so now thewho said: "Hidden Lake Academy helped Lacey by abusing her"... we would love to see the link where he said this, but we all know you post untruths. But that is what makes Fornits a nice challenge, doesnt it.
How about if we wait for Bruce to string together his guest posts. Then we will see which post is whos.
you have to love this place, and they ask me why I post here!!
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---TheWho, can you explain again to Lacey how she is better off now than before HLA? Please tell this poor girl again how HLA helps sexual abuse victims get "tools" to deal with those issues. It looks like she's not getting your point about how she would have been worse off without HLA.
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Re-read the post, it was TheWho who was asking the guestion, not the other way around. Also I think the original point was that a child would be better prepared for life, after their stay at HLA, not prepared for events that occured before they went to HLA.
I understand it can be confusing with all these guest posts, but it seems thewho agrees with many of you on this issue.
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Before or after, Who.... How could a program that took that approach to sexual abuse victims possibly have any degree of compitency with preparing someone for a future sexual attack? By employing those very tactics? Which OBVIOUSLY do not work? I was further victimized by the very people my parents payed hundreds of thousands of dollars to, thinking they were helping. That is FACT.
I have read your posts for YEARS, Who. How can you possibly sit there and defend Hidden Lake Academy? The awful truth of this is that they are severely damaging children. I am not some sensationalist that wants to poke my nose in every argument that is started here on fornits, which is why in 3 or 4 years, I only have a small number of posts. You can come up with all the "facts" that you'd like, or attempt to discredit every HLA former student, parent or staff that speaks out against it. But please. Please tell me how a 15 year old girl sitting in a room with 17 strangers, in a state she's never been to, away from her parents for the first time in her life could possibly feel safe enough to recount intimate details of a rape, and have it be constructive in any way possible. They ask her was it dark out, was it light out. What color was the car she was in the back of. What words did he say to her while he was on top of her. Did he use a condom? Did it make her feel dirty? Did he use a chain or a rope to tie her leg to the front seat? As fucking uncomfortable as it is to read through those questions, imagine sitting in that fucking room having to answer them! And when I hesitated at all I was threatened with punishment and degraded as not wanting to "cooperate" with my "treatment". Please, Who. I am begging you. TELL ME HOW THIS COULD POSSIBLY BE WORTH DEFENDING. I am calling you out. I have never addressed you directly but you'd better step up and show your true colors here.
I have NOTHING to gain from speaking out against HLA. I live my life now, happily devoid of anything having to do with Hidden Lake. I chose not to be involved in the lawsuit. I never spent a penny that I'd want to recapture from that place. My ONLY reason for posting any of this is to get the truth about that place out. To save some other scared shitless little girl from ever having to endure all that I did while I was there.
What is it that YOU have to gain from defending a place like this?
I anxiously await your response.
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I dont see myself as a defender of HLA. I see myself as a defender of the truth. I mentioned earlier that I wouldn’t send my kid there. You have been here long enough to know that the truth isn’t a big priority here as long as the program looks bad. Take the inspection results of HLA. The reports clearly stated that the report was a list of discrepancies found, but posters like Bruce and others would rather mislead readers into believing that HLA failed every aspect of the inspection. To me this deception does everyone harm. No one else spoke up except myself. There are posters who feel everyone that dies post program is a result of the program even if they have been out for years. The reason they post crap like this is not for accuracy but to discredit programs. But what they dont realize is that they are discrediting fornits. Virtually no poster would step up and challenge a piece of information that portrayed a program negatively no matter how far fetched the story or information is. Many would rather sit in silence hoping the misinformation will drive readers to believe the worst is true about programs and decide not to send their child based on this. But what people dont see is this backfires and makes the forum look foolish.
But continuously asking questions and challenging answers, playing the devils advocate the truth eventually comes to the surface as it did in the last discussion on licensure.
I do believe that programs prepare kids for what life has to throw at them post program. I dont believe all programs are good or bad nor are they all alike. Many posters here like to envision the worst of the programs and peddle the idea that all programs are the same and damaging which we all know isn’t true but is good for the agenda of discrediting any program that comes along in discussion.
So Lacey, I think it is awful that that had to happen to you. I do not condone that treatment. I dont think all schools would do the same thing and I actually know they would not. I dont condone harassment. I do believethat if the rape occured post program you would be in a stronger position to deal with it then you were before hand.
But you cannot honestly believe that spreading or allowing the spread of misinformation is going to have any long term lasting effect against these places. They need to be exposed for what they are and back it all up with facts and data. If you try to fool people with lies then the whole site loses its credibility.
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yoink. Its a bitch, I'm sure, not being able to alter your posts as their sheer nonsensical, absurd, cruelty mounts against you, and by extension, Hidden Lake Academy proponents.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
--- Quote from: "Lacey" ---
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---TheWho, can you explain again to Lacey how she is better off now than before HLA? Please tell this poor girl again how HLA helps sexual abuse victims get "tools" to deal with those issues. It looks like she's not getting your point about how she would have been worse off without HLA.
--- End quote ---
Re-read the post, it was TheWho who was asking the guestion, not the other way around. Also I think the original point was that a child would be better prepared for life, after their stay at HLA, not prepared for events that occured before they went to HLA.
I understand it can be confusing with all these guest posts, but it seems thewho agrees with many of you on this issue.
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Before or after, Who.... How could a program that took that approach to sexual abuse victims possibly have any degree of compitency with preparing someone for a future sexual attack? By employing those very tactics? Which OBVIOUSLY do not work? I was further victimized by the very people my parents payed hundreds of thousands of dollars to, thinking they were helping. That is FACT.
I have read your posts for YEARS, Who. How can you possibly sit there and defend Hidden Lake Academy? The awful truth of this is that they are severely damaging children. I am not some sensationalist that wants to poke my nose in every argument that is started here on fornits, which is why in 3 or 4 years, I only have a small number of posts. You can come up with all the "facts" that you'd like, or attempt to discredit every HLA former student, parent or staff that speaks out against it. But please. Please tell me how a 15 year old girl sitting in a room with 17 strangers, in a state she's never been to, away from her parents for the first time in her life could possibly feel safe enough to recount intimate details of a rape, and have it be constructive in any way possible. They ask her was it dark out, was it light out. What color was the car she was in the back of. What words did he say to her while he was on top of her. Did he use a condom? Did it make her feel dirty? Did he use a chain or a rope to tie her leg to the front seat? As fucking uncomfortable as it is to read through those questions, imagine sitting in that fucking room having to answer them! And when I hesitated at all I was threatened with punishment and degraded as not wanting to "cooperate" with my "treatment". Please, Who. I am begging you. TELL ME HOW THIS COULD POSSIBLY BE WORTH DEFENDING. I am calling you out. I have never addressed you directly but you'd better step up and show your true colors here.
I have NOTHING to gain from speaking out against HLA. I live my life now, happily devoid of anything having to do with Hidden Lake. I chose not to be involved in the lawsuit. I never spent a penny that I'd want to recapture from that place. My ONLY reason for posting any of this is to get the truth about that place out. To save some other scared shitless little girl from ever having to endure all that I did while I was there.
What is it that YOU have to gain from defending a place like this?
I anxiously await your response.
--- End quote ---
I dont see myself as a defender of HLA. I see myself as a defender of the truth. I mentioned earlier that I wouldn’t send my kid there. You have been here long enough to know that the truth isn’t a big priority here as long as the program looks bad. Take the inspection results of HLA. The reports clearly stated that the report was a list of discrepancies found, but posters like Bruce and others would rather mislead readers into believing that HLA failed every aspect of the inspection. To me this deception does everyone harm. No one else spoke up except myself. There are posters who feel everyone that dies post program is a result of the program even if they have been out for years. The reason they post crap like this is not for accuracy but to discredit programs. But what they dont realize is that they are discrediting fornits. Virtually no poster would step up and challenge a piece of information that portrayed a program negatively no matter how far fetched the story or information is. Many would rather sit in silence hoping the misinformation will drive readers to believe the worst is true about programs and decide not to send their child based on this. But what people dont see is this backfires and makes the forum look foolish.
But continuously asking questions and challenging answers, playing the devils advocate the truth eventually comes to the surface as it did in the last discussion on licensure.
I do believe that programs prepare kids for what life has to throw at them post program. I dont believe all programs are good or bad nor are they all alike. Many posters here like to envision the worst of the programs and peddle the idea that all programs are the same and damaging which we all know isn’t true but is good for the agenda of discrediting any program that comes along in discussion.
So Lacey, I think it is awful that that had to happen to you. I do not condone that treatment. I dont think all schools would do the same thing and I actually know they would not. I dont condone harassment. I do believethat if the rape occured post program you would be in a stronger position to deal with it then you were before hand.
But you cannot honestly believe that spreading or allowing the spread of misinformation is going to have any long term lasting effect against these places. They need to be exposed for what they are and back it all up with facts and data. If you try to fool people with lies then the whole site loses its credibility.
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yoink. Its a bitch, I'm sure, not being able to alter your posts as their sheer nonsensical, absurd, cruelty mounts against you, and by extension, Hidden Lake Academy proponents.
As you gotta know that your words can be easily linked to and quoted, one must wonder what is your motivation for denying them?
What would Charles dederich, or Erhard say about that?
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