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TheWho:
--- Quote from: "Inculcated" ---That end might be better served by you actually answering the questions posed to you by Lacey...instead of dismissing her perspective.
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Well okay lets take a look at her post again.
Lacy asked: You observe from the comfort of your home, living vicariously through some (more than likely) fictitous story your "daughter" brought home from one program. You think that gives you the "better view of the industry"?
Lacy answered: people like Mary and I have the BEST view of the industry.
Lacy asks again: So you tell me. Who has the better view of the industry?
Lacy answered: people like Mary and I have the BEST view of the industry.
Lacy asks another question: What interest do you have in this that you are trying to preserve?
Lacy answers the question once again: we already know its not this idealistic and valiant defense of truth you so proudly touted earlier.
Then Lacy asks: Why are you here?
I'll answer this one: To add balance and to try to help expose the truth... there it is. People have a hard time seeing this but I manage to accomplish this here more often than you would like to believe.
Inculcated:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
--- Quote from: "Inculcated" ---That end might be better served by you actually answering the questions posed to you by Lacey...instead of dismissing her perspective.
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Well okay lets take a look at her post again.
Then Lacy asks: Why are you here?
I'll answer this one: To add balance and to try to help expose the truth... there it is. People have a hard time seeing this but I manage to accomplish this here more often than you would like to believe.
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Otherwise programs would have to rely on Public Relations Firms for this “Balance.”
“Balance” includes discounting the value of firsthand accounts?
If an actuary deems the harm you might incur from the product of or services provided by an industry as being incidental would you accept that as cause to be dismissive of the consequences you might experience and the value of your testimony?
Inculcated:
In order to keep the continuity of the topic at hand, I’m going to repost this.
--- Quote from: "Lacey" ---
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
--- Quote from: "TheWho" ---If you had more compassionate staff and program model, Mary, I think you would have a better view of the industry.
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Who, people like Mary and I have the BEST view of the industry. I personally have been to 9 seperate treatment programs of varying lengths of time. You observe from the comfort of your home, living vicariously through some (more than likely) fictitous story your "daughter" brought home from one program. You think that gives you the "better view of the industry"?
You turn your computer off at night when your done on here playing your little role, and these horrible places are erased from your day. Blinked out, just like a computer moniter. You walk about your home, you go to work, you get in your car and drive away if you'd like. But the children held captive by the programs you defend are still out there. Unable to even tell the truth about whats happening to their parents, the only people who could help them.
So you tell me. Who has the better view of the industry? Would it be you, who devotes a measly hour or two a day to coming onto a website to troll and protect whatever it is your interest is in this... Or would it be someone who for years on end is forcibly subjected to every aspect of the behavioral modification industry?
Who. You have nothing to say here. You do not know what you are talking about.
I once again pose the question. For someone who is remarkably removed from the situation... What interest do you have in this that you are trying to preserve? Because we already know its not this idealistic and valiant defense of truth you so proudly touted earlier, because what you are defending is in fact NOT true. So Who. Why are you here?
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(…and because I liked it so much)
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "Inculcated" ---Otherwise programs would have to rely on Public Relations Firms for this “Balance.”
“Balance” includes discounting the value of firsthand accounts?
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Exactly, when Lacey discounted my daughter’s experiences by saying she was imaginary I think this goes against what I am trying to do. It is important to listen to all points of view, positive and negative. In order to be balanced you need to keep an open mind. If I stated that Laceys experiences were all in her mind I think that would be counterproductive to extending any further conversation between the two of us and the quality of our interaction would deteriorate rather quickly I would guess.
--- Quote ---If an actuary deems the harm you might incur from the product of or services provided by an industry as being incidental would you accept that as cause to be dismissive of the consequences you might experience and the value of your testimony?
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Well it depends on the total financial risk. If it was incidental like you suggested but the person was in a position to absorb the loss fairly easily then I would say it would warrant challenging the actuaries suggestion and taking the risk (against professional opinion) if you felt it would be in yours or your childs best interest or if the downside was short.
Anonymous:
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So let me get this straight. You think that if I were to get pulled into a back alleyway tomorrow walking home from work, and were raped, that the "harrassment" (YOUR WORDS) I endured at Hidden Lake would better prepare me to "deal with it".
If by your own admission HLA "harrasses" rape victims, then what tools could I have possibly learned from these well equipped "professionals" to handle such an ordeal?
What qualifications do you hold in the treatment of rape victims to make these kinds of statements? What personal experience do you have with the effect of rape on a young person to say that anything I ENDURED (not benefited from) at Hidden Lake Academy would prepare me for my hypotectical future rape?
You're absolutely right. The biggest consistency I see in the forum is the misrepresentation of FACT. However this is not from people like me, or Bruce, or DJ, or any of the other people that you have attempted to rip apart in a desperate and delusional attempt to discredit them and every word they utter. Its from you, and those with the same motives.
The simple fact of the matter is that nothing NEGATIVE has come from the things that we have said here on fornits. What has resulted has been accountability, HLA being lisenced, and an overall airing out of HLA's dirty laundry. You spewing your self proclaimed "truths" do nothing but attempt to obscure and distract from the REAL issues at Hidden Lake.
Who. I know, to the very core of everything I am, what happened at Hidden Lake. I do not need 3000 pages of reports to remind me. You can claim to be a "defender of truth", but I KNOW the truth. I lived it and breathed it for 23 months. And nothing of what you defend is anything that I would ever, EVER align myself with. I feel very sorry for you, Who. Because there are only two options here. Either your blissfully and wholeheartedly ignorant to anything real that has happend at Hidden Lake, and are due a very, very rude awakening. Or... You already know the truth, and are so devoid of any humanity that you would go on protecting these sick, sick individuals. If the latter is indeed the case... Then there truly is nothing left to say.
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Notice TheIt doesn’t answer Lacey, just spewed vague, canned puerility about all programs not being bad?
He couldn’t explain how Hidden Lake Academy’s policy of abusing rape victims will help Lacey, a rape victim, in her (hypothetical) future rape—something it stipulated it will do for her. (the nerve)
Not that it really believes rape victims are helped by abuse. TheIt is not here to communicate, but to manipulate.
Rather like cultic processes, it aims to manipulate certain emotional responses from its victims, and relies on psychological “tricks” (as best as it can from its vantage point from behind the internet) to influence survivors and readers. Rather like a program, with malice of forethought, it understands how certain emotional stimuli effects and confuses and comes to fornits to engage these "tools" against the children it once(i'll bet) abused from in the confines of a gulag.
TheIt has a series of canned, rehearsed responses it recites.
The one it spews in response to personal testimony of torment: “I am sorry that this happened to you. Not all programs are like this.”Then TheIT will usually move to further deny their experience by stating it probably made him/her stronger, or they “know of” kids that where helped by the same thing s/he was traumatized by. Sometimes it will litterally laught "ha,ha,ha" at the account of abuse
Its spiel minimizes, trivializes, and denies the vicims’ experience .Invalidation is its own form of emotional abuse.
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/ver ... buse/82837
http://eqi.org/invalid.htm
Similarly, Hidden Lake Acadmy and Academy at Swift river have a canned incredibly emotionally abusive response for "parents" of its prisoners to recite when they report misery, abuse, slavery, torture: "I am sorry you are having difficulty, work your program."
TheIt is in deep with the cultic gulags and it is very aware of the emotionally abusive aspect of its responses, and selects them for this reason.
I would not be surprised it isn’t involved more deeply involved in cultic-gulags than even John “I killed my own son” Reuben. (Didn’t it mention at one point that “we” used operate one "short term" cult (EST?) until “we” realized that more “long term” treatment are necessary)
Ignore it. It lies. It mocks. It is pointless to engage. State your piece and don't let It control the conversation. Better yet, submit your experience to ISAC and HEAL in the form of sworn testimony. Best, go to the police, and then the media.
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