Author Topic: Rudy Bentz Video (Read 2937 times)

Anonymous · « **on:** April 29, 2009, 11:47:38 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou9i0fk2KBY

Rudy Bentz segment in Liam's Cedu documentary.

http://liamscheff.com/daily/cedu-documentary/

Anonymous · « **Reply #1 on:** April 29, 2009, 12:13:15 PM »

Also here:
http://liamscheff.com/daily/2009/04/29/ ... -rudy-rap/

Anonymous · « **Reply #2 on:** April 29, 2009, 05:56:34 PM »

To me, this documentry presents CEDU as a kinda wacky, but not so horrible place. I don't know...that doesn't seem too accurate to me. Maybe I am perceing this doc wrong?

Anonymous · « **Reply #3 on:** May 01, 2009, 01:26:58 AM »

I dunno. Watch the clip with the girl who goes from being a normal pretty looking kid to some kind of stroke victim/circus freak. she said it took numerous surgeries to make her face normal again.

Anonymous · « **Reply #4 on:** May 01, 2009, 01:52:34 AM »

Quote from: "my two cents"

I dunno. Watch the clip with the girl who goes from being a normal pretty looking kid to some kind of stroke victim/circus freak. she said it took numerous surgeries to make her face normal again.

You are insulting the appearence of one the girls' in the video? Nice. You must be one of the staff discussed on this forum. Still doing the verbal abuse thing, i see.

Anonymous · « **Reply #5 on:** May 01, 2009, 08:16:38 AM »

Yes, maybe you are "perceing" this wrong...

I've watched all the clips and nobody looks like a stroke victim. If Cedu seems like a "wacky" place, then you should probably put yourself in the place of a teenager who was kept there against her will. How would you like to be at a school where the "teachers" spoon you while you cry and where you are forced to submit to that kind of "care?"

Anonymous · « **Reply #6 on:** May 01, 2009, 08:31:17 AM »

Staff: Rudy Bentz was in a rap delivering an indictment to some students very loudly and very aggressively.

Student: He would call girls sluts and he would bring up every that they had done sexually in their life, and he would talk to guys and want to know everything they had done, in a group setting, all for the purpose of, getting it out.

Staff: And I remember thinking I suppose these guys aren't hearing any of the words, they're just hearing the delivery, that you're angry at them and they're bad.

Student: And some of the stuff truth be told did not need to come out, if the girl was experimenting when she was twelve, it was that she was experimenting when she was twelve. It wasn't that she was a whore or a slut. But he had this weird dynamic where in the rap he was the female's worst enemy and he would just cut them down and want to know everything they'd done, but that night all the same girls would go kiss up to him and lay by him and cuddle with him and say Rudy, Rudy you're the best!

Second Student: I think Rudy and Jill Bentz did get off on each other's sexual stuff with the Cedu kids, she got to be the sexy girl and he got to be the sexy guy, she liked the sexual energy that she inspired in the Cedu boys and he liked the sexual energy he inspired in the Cedu girls and I think they knew that about each other...

Does it sound "wacky" 2cents?? Sounds like child abuse. Sounds like a cult to me!

Anonymous · « **Reply #7 on:** May 01, 2009, 03:45:51 PM »

Whoa I think I may be misinterpreted here. I was disagreeing with the person who called it wacky & harmless & saying that among other things disfiguring a kid is actually pretty hardcore abuse. I also did not call Heather ugly. She is a normal attractive looking woman but she said it took 6 surgeries to get her looking that way again. The picture they showed of her at graduation showed her looking like she had been a stroke victim. This was as a direct result of their initial abuse then negligence.

Anonymous · « **Reply #8 on:** May 01, 2009, 06:33:57 PM »

Quote from: "my 2 cents"

Whoa I think I may be misinterpreted here. I was disagreeing with the person who called it wacky & harmless & saying that among other things disfiguring a kid is actually pretty hardcore abuse. I also did not call Heather ugly. She is a normal attractive looking woman but she said it took 6 surgeries to get her looking that way again. The picture they showed of her at graduation showed her looking like she had been a stroke victim. This was as a direct result of their initial abuse then negligence.

Hi, yes 2 cents, I misinterpreted you. I understand what you were saying now.

Anonymous · « **Reply #9 on:** May 01, 2009, 06:38:59 PM »

Quote from: "visitor"

Yes, maybe you are "perceing" this wrong...

I've watched all the clips and nobody looks like a stroke victim. If Cedu seems like a "wacky" place, then you should probably put yourself in the place of a teenager who was kept there against her will. How would you like to be at a school where the "teachers" spoon you while you cry and where you are forced to submit to that kind of "care?"

I know CEDU was horrible. Unfortunately, to me, this documentary just makes it seem wacky and irresponsible. To me it does not portray its horror, unlike the 2 documentaries about wwasp which capture the horror of kidnap, imprisonment and brainwashing more adeptly.

Maybe, have a section where victims can tell their story from beginning to end, so not everything is mixed together and therefore diluted?

Anonymous · « **Reply #10 on:** May 01, 2009, 06:43:25 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

Quote from: "visitor"
Yes, maybe you are "perceing" this wrong...

I've watched all the clips and nobody looks like a stroke victim. If Cedu seems like a "wacky" place, then you should probably put yourself in the place of a teenager who was kept there against her will. How would you like to be at a school where the "teachers" spoon you while you cry and where you are forced to submit to that kind of "care?"

I know CEDU was horrible. Unfortunately, to me, this documentary just makes it seem wacky and irresponsible. To me it does not portray its horror, unlike the 2 documentaries about wwasp which capture the horror of kidnap, imprisonment and brainwashing more adeptly.

Maybe, have a section where victims can tell their story from beginning to end, so not everything is mixed together and therefore diluted?

Maybe have a cultic expert specifify what was going on there was thought reform?

Anonymous · « **Reply #11 on:** May 01, 2009, 06:44:57 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "visitor"
Yes, maybe you are "perceing" this wrong...

I've watched all the clips and nobody looks like a stroke victim. If Cedu seems like a "wacky" place, then you should probably put yourself in the place of a teenager who was kept there against her will. How would you like to be at a school where the "teachers" spoon you while you cry and where you are forced to submit to that kind of "care?"

I know CEDU was horrible. Unfortunately, to me, this documentary just makes it seem wacky and irresponsible. To me it does not portray its horror, unlike the 2 documentaries about wwasp which capture the horror of kidnap, imprisonment and brainwashing more adeptly.

Maybe, have a section where victims can tell their story from beginning to end, so not everything is mixed together and therefore diluted?
Maybe have a cultic expert specifify what was going on there was thought reform?

Sorry, maybe also specify the measures taken to keep people prisoner? For ex, the "one on one" or buddy system?

try another castle · « **Reply #12 on:** May 01, 2009, 08:47:17 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "visitor"
Yes, maybe you are "perceing" this wrong...

I've watched all the clips and nobody looks like a stroke victim. If Cedu seems like a "wacky" place, then you should probably put yourself in the place of a teenager who was kept there against her will. How would you like to be at a school where the "teachers" spoon you while you cry and where you are forced to submit to that kind of "care?"

I know CEDU was horrible. Unfortunately, to me, this documentary just makes it seem wacky and irresponsible. To me it does not portray its horror, unlike the 2 documentaries about wwasp which capture the horror of kidnap, imprisonment and brainwashing more adeptly.

Maybe, have a section where victims can tell their story from beginning to end, so not everything is mixed together and therefore diluted?
Maybe have a cultic expert specifify what was going on there was thought reform?

There is, sort of. Dr. Nikki Bush of ASTART was hired as a therapist there, and she talks about her experience and impressions of the place... i.e. how abusive it was.

As for people telling their story from beginning to end... this isnt a miniseries. He has too much footage to wrangle with as it is. Editing for these types of films is a royal pain.

Anonymous · « **Reply #13 on:** May 01, 2009, 11:02:50 PM »

yes, sure. So this is just my opinion and i am happy anyone is making a doc period. But I stil dont think it does a good job conveying the fear and pain of the place, unlike the wwasp docs.(and not because wwasp was worse..just more effective storytelling, background on bemod, etc) :blabla:

Anonymous · « **Reply #14 on:** May 01, 2009, 11:12:59 PM »

You know guest as someone who did not attend thsi system of schools, I can only assume that to some extent to really understand you had to be there. But Ill tell you one thing. If I had a difficult kid & i saw this film I sure would not be thining a cedu like school was the answer.

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