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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2009, 09:06:43 PM »
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Whether any form of spanking is abuse is another story.

I think we all know it is not abuse to spank your child whether it be with your hand or foreign object.  The same as it isnt abusive to allow your child listen to loud music even though it is hurting their ears (or is it?)

The "no spank" people want you to "believe" it is abusive to further their cause.  Their next step is to try to enforce it by placing cameras in your home.  Then they will expand into others areas of controlling and monitoring your life.  These people are very dangerous.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2009, 10:21:08 PM »
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The "no spank" people want you to "believe" it is abusive to further their cause.  Their next step is to try to enforce it by placing cameras in your home.  Then they will expand into others areas of controlling and monitoring your life.  These people are very dangerous.

I think you're a little paranoid there.  The constitution protects us from that kind of thing.  I would agree that even if spanking were illegal, it would be largely unenforceable.  Kids, as much as they don't like their parents, would be unlikely to report them to the cops for a spanking (and I doubt the cops would care).  Existing child abuse laws are probably as good as they can to prevent abuse in the home (but sadly, they don't seem to apply to programs... where if you call it "therapy" you can get away with pretty much anything).

Is spanking always abuse?  Probably not.  Does it work?  Probably not.  Is spanking a naked kid with a hairbrush (very painful) for extended periods of time abuse?  Probably, but again, it's unlikely the kid is going to report his own parents.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2009, 10:42:23 PM »
I don't think a swat on the ass with the palm of the hand is abusive. Fully clothed ass by the way, and not butt swinging free to the breeze. I do think that making a kid strip down to wail on his butt with a belt is a bit psycho and I'd be seriously questioning the Mother's mental state. I'd also call it abusive both physically and emotionally. Regardless if anyone was around or not the boy, mythical or not, would still incur some serious humiliation.

I guess the thing to remember is that spankings can go from a quick physical reminder, in the form of a smack on the ass, to abusive, in the form of a nude belting to the butt, in a manner of seconds.

Personally, while I don't think the smack on the butt is abusive I do think people ought to be very careful to make sure they don't go over the line. For the child's sake and their own given what a pack of howling scum most CPS workers tend to be these days.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2009, 11:46:30 PM »
It is NOT okay for a parent to ask their teenage child to "strip down" for a spanking, no matter what is being used belt/or brush.  This parent obviously reacted emotionally to an upsetting situation, and should have taken a longer break to calm down before carrying out a punishment.  I think the length of time involved in the actual "punishment" here is a bit much as well, although the OP doesn't go into detail about the amount of force used, or whether welts or bruising were results of this action.  

There is a fine line between punishment and abuse, and the only person that can define whether the line was crossed based on the information given, is the person involved.  If the OP feels as if they've been abused, they need to talk to someone objective about it.  School counselor, pastor, someone with the capacity to provide help and not make the situation worse by taking one side or the other automatically.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2009, 05:13:37 AM »
Spanking with or without clothes is a crime in Denmark and can be punished with up to one month in jail unless other things turn up during the investigation. Then it can get worse.

Just last week a couple of parents got a year in jail for having their daughter doing chores outside without proper clothing and locking her up in a dog cage as they do in programs.

If I had been the mother and a peer court was a possibility I would have chosen for him to take his punishment so he could learn his lesson without getting a record. It may sound harsh with community service and a letter of apology to the store owner, but it will send a good signal. When time served, I would ask to some of the allowence in return for purchase of skin-photos on the net, if that is what the son need.

Corporal punishment teach only use of violence and I think that we have enough of it in the world already.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2009, 05:25:57 AM »
Pbbbtt... Whatever happened to making the boy return the spanky mags in person? The utter embarrassment from that alone is likely enough to keep him online surfing for porn for years to come.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2009, 10:01:02 AM »
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Pbbbtt... Whatever happened to making the boy return the spanky mags in person? The utter embarrassment from that alone is likely enough to keep him online surfing for porn for years to come.

My mom put them on the top shelf of her bedroom closet.
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who likes pretending he's 13 and forced into naked spanking
« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2009, 01:10:52 PM »
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It is NOT okay for a parent to ask their teenage child to "strip down" for a spanking, no matter what is being used belt/or brush.  This parent obviously reacted emotionally to an upsetting situation, and should have taken a longer break to calm down before carrying out a punishment.  I think the length of time involved in the actual "punishment" here is a bit much as well, although the OP doesn't go into detail about the amount of force used, or whether welts or bruising were results of this action.  

There is a fine line between punishment and abuse, and the only person that can define whether the line was crossed based on the information given, is the person involved.  If the OP feels as if they've been abused, they need to talk to someone objective about it.  School counselor, pastor, someone with the capacity to provide help and not make the situation worse by taking one side or the other automatically.


Hurrikayne, the OP was thewho. His aim, IMO, is to show that there is no “such thing as abuse,” it’s all relative, and that anyone saying they were tortured is dismissible because that’s just a “matter of opinion.”

Whether an act is abusive or not act isn’t opinion. Medically and legally these issues are considered objective.

Legally, once you leave marks on a kid, use implements with force, force nudity on him(a teen especially), and beat him for a long period of time, you can face abuse charges, if you are caught doing so.

The wall of links on the other post are to parents who abused, but did not cause serious injury to their kids, in a similar manner to the fictional story invented by who, They were all charged and convicted of abuse. In several cases, the beaten youngsters didn’t want their parent prosecuted—these things aren’t “matters of opinion.”  

Child Physical Abuse Definition -
The National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect defines child physical abuse as:
"The physical injury or maltreatment of a child under the age of eighteen by a person who is responsible for the child's welfare under circumstances which indicate that the child's health or welfare is harmed or threatened."
Examples of Physical Abuse include:

Beating with a belt, shoe, or other object.
Biting a child.
Burning a child with matches or cigarettes.
Kicking a child.
Not letting a child eat, drink, or use the bathroom.
Pulling a child's hair out.
Punching a child.
Scalding a child with water that is too hot.
Shaking, shoving or slapping a child.
The parent or caretaker need not have intended to hurt the child for it to constitute physical abuse.
NOTE: Every state has, in its child protection laws, a definition, often more specific than this general definition.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #38 on: April 27, 2009, 02:33:33 PM »
How could you possibly know the OP was thewho when you do not even have a login name?  Only admins could get this information and they couldnt even send this to you because you dont have a registered email or PM with Fornits.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2009, 04:09:12 PM »
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How could you possibly know the OP was thewho when you do not even have a login name?  Only admins could get this information and they couldnt even send this to you because you dont have a registered email or PM with Fornits.
It's called a guess, dipshit.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #40 on: April 27, 2009, 04:28:52 PM »
Okay, for the sake of argument, let us assume it is the Who.  What is the result of the question?  It got everyone thinking and talking about the scenario.  

If it is NOT the Who?  Well then, we've enlightened someone that the scenario portrayed definitely is NOT okay.  

And no one was harmed in the asking, or responding of said questionable scenario.  

Have a nice day!
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #41 on: April 27, 2009, 05:33:33 PM »
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How could you possibly know the OP was thewho when you do not even have a login name?  Only admins could get this information and they couldnt even send this to you because you dont have a registered email or PM with Fornits.
It's called a guess, dipshit.


Actually, dick breath, if the poster was making a quess they would have said the “op sounds like the who”or “I think it is thewho” or “it was probably thewho”... something along those lines but the guest said:

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Hurrikayne, the OP was thewho.......
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #42 on: April 27, 2009, 07:31:12 PM »
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Okay, for the sake of argument, let us assume it is the Who.  What is the result of the question?  It got everyone thinking and talking about the scenario.  

If it is NOT the Who?  Well then, we've enlightened someone that the scenario portrayed definitely is NOT okay.  

And no one was harmed in the asking, or responding of said questionable scenario.  

Have a nice day!

I agree, the spanking discussion was a good one and I think guidelines should be laid out on what is abusive and what is not.  The question of whether organizations can be formed like nospank who can form close nit groups and their own opinions and then try to dictate and reach into people homes and try to control how people raise their kids is way out of line for me.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #43 on: April 27, 2009, 09:04:06 PM »
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Okay, for the sake of argument, let us assume it is the Who.  What is the result of the question?  It got everyone thinking and talking about the scenario.  

If it is NOT the Who?  Well then, we've enlightened someone that the scenario portrayed definitely is NOT okay.  

And no one was harmed in the asking, or responding of said questionable scenario.  

Have a nice day!

I agree, the spanking discussion was a good one and I think guidelines should be laid out on what is abusive and what is not.  The question of whether organizations can be formed like nospank who can form close nit groups and their own opinions and then try to dictate and reach into people homes and try to control how people raise their kids is way out of line for me.
I was unaware nospank was pushing to outlaw spanking.  Are you saying that's the case?
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #44 on: April 27, 2009, 11:57:36 PM »
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I was unaware nospank was pushing to outlaw spanking.  Are you saying that's the case?

Nospank takes the position that children should no longer be excluded from the legal protections against assault and battery that apply to adults.
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