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try another castle:
I could be wrong, but this might be the same system I was in at 14. (Westchester county, NY. Andrus Childrens Home, Yonkers.)
Not familiar with any of those places, though. I know about a few lockups, like the one in pleasantville, quiet rooms and all that. But Andrus wasn't one of those.
Andrus, FYI, was on the up and up. Nothing like a program. Not exactly a pot of petunias all the time, but that's life.
blombrowski:
Castle,
You are correct. Same system different school. For the record though, JCCA - Pleasantville (if that's the program you are talking about) is also part of the same system. I understand that they have had major changes there in the last fifteen years, but they are still an RTC.
And for that matter all of the schools that have been listed here are traditional RTC's. It's a system that houses a little over 3,400 youth at any given time across 43 programs paid almost entirely by New York taxpayer dollars. I think the original poster was doing a good job of due dilligence by trying to get a gauge on the different programs. Generally they are open campuses. Some are in urban locations, some are in remote locations. The ones that I know of do not use "program" tactics, like restriction of communication or escort services. But many do use level and point systems, many use restraints and quiet rooms, and depending on the program parental contact is limited. For example, The Summit School generally allows its students to go home on weekends, but most of the students at Vanderhyden Hall don't go home on weekends because they're in foster care.
With these programs you either need to be court ordered or approved by IEP, and actually with our child welfare system moving away from sending kids to RTCs, these schools have had to fill their beds by taking court referrals. While being non-profits, they are still as revenue-maximizing as the for-profit programs.
Andrus, in recent years has implemented The Sanctuary Model, which is a trauma-informed way of providing services to youth in a residential setting, and their center has been going around to other residential programs on how to implement it. In case anybody wants to do some further research on this stuff.
try another castle:
You're familiar with andrus? cool!
Yeah, Ive read up a little bit about the sanctuary model. When I was there, we had group levels 1-4 which had nothing at all to do with when you could be discharged, unless you were on group 4, which meant you had just come back from going awol. It was super different than the families we had at CEDU. Also, there was restraint, but if memory serves it was always one on one, although they dont do restraint any more anyways.
I remember being on group 4 for a day for something, but I forgot what. I basically had to stay on the first floor of the cottage and sit on the sofa by the staff room. Other than that, I could do whatever I wanted. I also remember a place in Dallas that my parents looked at when they were going to send me to CEDU called the Julia Phaller home that seemed almost identical in setup to andrus, especially since I would have still been able to go to my high school (arts magnet booker t.) and everything. (I went to hastings HS when I was at andrus. Before that, I spent 8th grade at their on campus school The Orchard.)
It was almost like a group home, except with a bit more structure. It was close to both downtown Yonkers and hastings, and right by the westchester bus line, which could take us up to white plains, or to one of the nearby metro north train stops which could take us right into the city if we wanted. If we werent visiting our folks on the weekend, we'd normally go as a house to flea markets at yonkers raceway, or run up to yonkers or white plains with a group of friends, unsupervised.
Seriously, if this person got sent to a place like andrus they could be a shit fuck of a lot worse off. I had more fun getting into trouble there... and still maintain it was one of the best things that could have happened to me... much much better than living with my mom, which would have driven me to slitting my wrists for real. Although Im not sure they are treating kids of teen years there, any more.
The campus was HUGE, and I would often cut class just so I could trot back up the aqueduct from HHS and hang out by myself in the woods. One of the house mothers said that she saw Berkowitz himself drive around in his little yellow bug casing the joint during the summer of sam. No idea if it was really him she saw, but it's a cute story. (Her husband freaked out and ran off after he saw the car. "OMG Its son of sam! Its son of sam!") But seriously, if you wanted to, you could hide LOTS of bodies back there. Lots and lots and lots. All of us spoke of that fact often, and would sometimes mount excursions to see if we could find a patch of the campus we had previously overlooked. Hogwarts for juvvies.
Im still on their mailing list, and one of these years Im going to get up enough money to go to one of their summer bbq reunions. Those things look really interesting because a lot of old folks will come who were there when andrus was still an orphanage.
Yeah.. JCCA. One of my andrus buds got sent up there and me and a few of the guys were going to go awol one night, steal a car, and bust her out of there. Never happened... we all fell asleep and woke up in our run away clothes... hehe. teens have such grandiose plans, that rarely pan out. She was fine, btw. Came back to visit us and hang out often.
Anya:
Hi if people have specific questions it would be great if you could message them to me instead of posting here because i don't wanna give out loads of information in the open. thanks.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Anya" ---i'm going to end up at one of the following residential treatment centers. is there any known problems with any of them that i can bring to my mom with solid evidence? i don't wanna end up somewhere unsafe...
1.Lake Grove
2. St. Anne's
3. The Charlton School
4. Vanderhayden Hall
5. West Park
6. Greenburgh North Castle
7. Greenburgh Graham
8. Harmony Heights
9. Hawthorne Cedar Knolls
10. Summit School
--- End quote ---
--- Quote ---i'm going to end up at one of the following residential treatment centers. is there any known problems with any of them that i can bring to my mom with solid evidence? i don't wanna end up somewhere unsafe...
--- End quote ---
Dr. Nicki Bush of ASTART
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf7fKkwu ... re=related
(1) Are students allowed to call the state abuse hotline if they witness;
(a) emotional abuse
(b) physical abuse
(c) verbal abuse
(d) water deprivation
(e) food deprivation
If the school dances around the question = Red Flag
(2) What is the student to staff ratio? Few staff working at the school in comparison to high number of students = Red Flag
(3) Who issued the school's operating license and what is the license number? No operating license = Red Flag
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