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Anonymous:
THE TEEN HELP INDUSTRY - I mean really, what is this forum about.  

No, it's not about WWASP!  Digging deeper,  not just me, but all of you.

Where are the "RESOURCES?"  No, I haven't read every single word from every poster, so if I'm not hitting the nail on the head, I can take it! This is what I see:

It's scattered with bits and pieces of postings on behavior change programs, but for the mostpart it's about WWASPS.  BUT is it really about WWASPS?

This is what I think it's really about:

A grandmother (SPOTS) that has a grand daughter at Casa by the Sea. Your accusations are based on what?  Because you perceive abuse (coming from her PURE acquaintances?) when the mother doesn't, and that's all that matters. Issue is with mother, not Casa. Why do I say this?  Because she is admitting to being friends with people working to discredit the entire WWASPS program.

A mother, Carey, whose boys were at Dundee Ranch without her permission. She had to get a court order? to bring them home.  What I find interesting is that no parent signs away their child and they can pick them up or see them any time they want.  Legal custody issues between her and her ex?  Again I don't see this as being about Dundee, but about the issues between she and her ex. Now I see a lot of bashing HER, I thought she was on your side? No I take that back.  She isn't on PURE's side and this has gotten in the way of the WWASPS bashing.

Deborah - you seem to have NO experience of WWASPS.  Your gripe is all behavior change programs, they are the program d'jour so I read a lot of defense of your perceptions.  I also read a lot of your postings on other programs.  But no accusations, just posting articles, etc.  This is NOT about WWASP with you either.

Antigen and Facekhan - same thing - it's about your past experiences with other programs.  Antigen, I respect your opinion, but again your issues are not specifically about WWASPS.

Lee - couldn't find out your story other than you had a kid in a wwasp program for a mere 2 months and now you are promoting a small teen help agency (PURE)  You said you post on sites like this to "educate" other parents on wwasp.  Good one! How can you with only 2 months? Did your fear of change and the process get in the way of going the distance with yoru child? Just a question, not an accusation.

Lynn - PURE defender extraordinaire!  It's not about wwasp, but about "being right."

And all the ANON/PURE posters. You're safe here, no one will bust you for your tactics.

Another FACT:  PURE is not a program.  

Ryan F - his movie will surely make a few bucks, so he does have a high stake in proving he was abused, but was there ever a court settlement? Haven't seen postings from him, but have read enough to see he could stand to make enough to buy a few luxuries.

I can't judge WWASPS, but from what I'm learning here, it requires a lot more than believing what's on the surface.  This could be interesting...bring it on!

Betsy

Anonymous:
Betsy,

What branch of WWASPS/Teen Help/Teens In Crisis/ASI or should we say what Lichfield do you work for?  Carey might want a part time job, any connections for her? Can you get her a website too?  She loves telling the truth, well her version of the truth anyway.

Back to your question, this forum is about your employer.   :wink:

Anonymous:
My employer?  Let's see, I could say WWASP or I could say Namaste Publishing, or I could say NOYB...take your pick.  Again, what is this forum really about, and it's not WWASPS.

Betsy.

Anonymous:
Betsy how's the therapy going?

Deborah:
Betsy,
I'm not in the mood to rebut or clarify the desperate and confused comments of yet another WWASP groupie. Nor do I care to recap my experience with the industry-the responsible thing for you to do is read the archives.

What is YOUR interest? What brought you here? What resource do you have to contribute? I noticed that you were so busy analyzing others that you didn't bother to introduce yourself.

Most people consider crashing a board with rude and inaccurate comments to be antisocial behavior. Did you learn your "assertive" behavior in seminar? Is that what your child is learning in program, what is being modeled for him/her?

As to- What's This Forum about Really?
That question was answered last week. It's copied below for your convenience.
Deborah
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 Ya'll know that I never had anything to do with WWASP or any other CEDU spin offs. I was in Straight, Inc., which spun off from The Seed which, like CEDU, also spun off from Synanon.

There are minor differences in structure and rhetoric among all of these programs. But one common thread runs through them all. Whenever someone would set up an effective forum and document archive, WWASP (aka WWASPS) would do just what DFAF, Art Barker or Chuck Dederich would do; they'd have their jaberwocks issue a letter of demand and threaten to sue sombody.

Naturally, that can be intimidating as hell for someone who's just been rooked out of some tens of thousands of dollars and mind fucked in the process. So the forums and informational sites kept folding and dissapearing down the memory hole.

So I opened these forums for anyone who has anything to say or learn about any of these totalist cults masquerading as therapy groups. Some come here looking for a fight and they generally get one. Some come looking for old friends. Some come looking for first-hand info. to either refute or confirm what they've been told by friends and family about the strange and mysterious place their loved young person has been disapeared to. Some come looking for advice and documentation for law suits, journalistic projects, documentary efforts or just to get the affirmation that they were not the only one in group who thought the whole thing was entirely fucked up.

It's a resource. We're not offering to beat your children by proxy and we don't recomend any such service. We, the Fornits, only offer a free and open forum for the mutual edification of all voluntary participants. If all ya'll program apologists want to keep showing your ass, please feel free. It provides great entertainment for some of us and also serves as evidence to the unititiated that you guys really and truly are that brainwashed.

An ye harm none, do as thou wilt.


The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.
--H.L. Mencken


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