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Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "NeilW" ---It all counts. You need to experience it from the childs point of view.
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What makes you think we haven't? You obviously never have.
--- Quote --- I drive past one of our local Gulags every day and look at all the little noses pressed against the fence. They are in there for various reasons, some have both parents who decided to pursue money rather than parenting, others come from a single parent back ground. Each one has a unique story. What they have in common is the wish that the fence could come down so that they could run free.
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Those little ones out for recess get to go home with their families at the end of the day.
--- Quote ---Another time at the Zoo, I experienced a group of high schoolers who were walking thru the Zoo and they were all forced to wear bright colored tee shirts. I could see how humiliated they must have been being stripped of their autonomy and being forced to be part of a group, with repeated brain washing of “Stay together for your own good”, “Check in with your assigned buddy”. I am sure they all attended Auswitchz academy and had very little self esteem left.
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Mmm hmm....those are small children who could easily wander away and get lost, not intending to do so. That's very different from putting teens in orange prison garb so they're easier to spot if they try and run from a place that locks them down without due process, halts communication with family and the outside world and forces the kids into all kids of "confessions" so they can realize how "bad" they were.
--- Quote ---If you rape anyone it is a crime.
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So is forcibly locking someone away in an institution without due process.
--- Quote ---"When slaves begin to accept their role and identify with their master, constant physical bondage becomes unnecessary. They come to perceive their situation not as a deliberate action taken to harm them in particular but as part of the normal, if regrettable, scheme of things."
I guess that "masters" can come to see what they do as normal, too.
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--- Quote ---Exactly right brother. That is why daycares have fences and middle schools do not because they kids are condition by years of internment and indoctrination not to run because the consequences are too high. If the kids resist this social norm then they need to be reprocessed and placed into programs until they comply or they age out of the system and be held accountable by their own actions within the judicial system.
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So, you're advocating re-education camps? Do you not see a difference between a fence keeping a 3 year old from running into the street because they have no concept of what a car is and what an impact with one will do, and a facility for teens in the middle of nowhere, with zero communication between parent and child and no due process? Really? Wow, what color is the sky in your world?
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "FemanonFatal2.0" ---This state of mind is exactly what makes parents (or program owners) like you the abusive kind. You think your teenager MUST follow the rules, must obey you at all times and must attain to every social norm... well sorry to break it to you but the teen years are exactly opposite of normal. You really believe that punishment will teach them some kind of lesson, but once you cross the line between consequences and abuse (ie a program) you have gone way to far just to try to keep your kid in line. I just don't understand why parents think they are allowed to fuck with their kids psyche... it just doesn't make sense.
I wish you people would just stop breeding.
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--- Quote from: "NeilW" ---So you would just let you kid not go to school and sit around all day at home? Would picking up the hypodermics off the floor so the toddlers dont play with them too strict or should we just all learn to step over them so Johnny doesnt get upset again when confronted with the rules.
I am sure your kids turned out well if you have any.
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No, and you know that's not what we're saying. What I"M saying is quit outsourcing your job as a parent to strangers who are no more qualified to dogsit than they are to "counsel" kids.
BTW.....Don't know about Fem having kids, but I agree exactly with what she said up there ^^ and I've got two grown kids who are doing just fine, despite me letting them develop ideas of their own and making sure they developed critical thinking skills. That's just it...these parents FREAK OUT when they discover that the kids actually DO have minds and thoughts of their own. Again, I refer you to the child in this parent's blog. She wasn't really doing anything dangerous or horrible. Typical teen stuff from what they posted. No drugs, no imminent danger yet she gets shipped off for YEARS. Un-fucking-believable.
TheWho:
--- Quote --- Mmm hmm....those are small children who could easily wander away and get lost, not intending to do so.
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Exactly, the fence is meant to keep them in and keep them safe.
--- Quote --- That's very different from putting teens in orange prison garb so they're easier to spot if they try and run
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No its not. You cant have kids under age running around the town un supervised at all hours.
--- Quote --- from a place that locks them down without due process, halts communication with family and the outside world and forces the kids into all kids of "confessions" so they can realize how "bad" they were.
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The daycare kids were never asked if they would rather stay with their family or go to an institution during the day. I would guess the majority would rather be home with mom and dad. They have no communication with them and if something gets broken they need to find out who did it and be reminded how bad they are. Awful places!!
--- Quote --- So is forcibly locking someone away in an institution without due process.
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So at what age do the kids get to decide? Age 5, 9, 12, 15, 18 or 21?
--- Quote --- So, you're advocating re-education camps? Do you not see a difference between a fence keeping a 3 year old from running into the street because they have no concept of what a car is and what an impact with one will do, and a facility for teens in the middle of nowhere, with zero communication between parent and child and no due process? Really? Wow, what color is the sky in your world?
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There isn’t a difference. Different ages, different dangers The law is set up to keep kids out of danger until they are of age. Whether that be at age 5 or age 17. The law dictates the kids cannot be out on their own until they are of age.
Anonymous:
--- Quote --- Mmm hmm....those are small children who could easily wander away and get lost, not intending to do so.
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--- Quote from: "NeilW" ---Exactly, the fence is meant to keep them in and keep them safe.
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Again...there is a difference between keeping a child from running into the street and keeping a teenager locked in a facility for years at a time. It's truly sad that you can't acknowledge the difference. I think even most other pro-program parents would, but then again....you're not really hear to "discuss" anything are you?
--- Quote ---The daycare kids were never asked if they would rather stay with their family or go to an institution during the day. I would guess the majority would rather be home with mom and dad.
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The daycare kids were put there for the DAY while their parents work. The teens in lockdown facilities are there for thought reform and rehabilitation without ever really finding out if they indeed NEED rehabilitation. AGain, if you can't acknowledge the difference, then you're one ignorant, sick fuck.
--- Quote ---So at what age do the kids get to decide? Age 5, 9, 12, 15, 18 or 21?
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I never said anything about the kids deciding. How 'bout just a diagnosis that states that they are an IMMINENT danger to themselves or others, as that's the requirement for committment?
--- Quote --- So, you're advocating re-education camps? Do you not see a difference between a fence keeping a 3 year old from running into the street because they have no concept of what a car is and what an impact with one will do, and a facility for teens in the middle of nowhere, with zero communication between parent and child and no due process? Really? Wow, what color is the sky in your world?
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--- Quote ---There isn’t a difference.
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You're a sick fuck.
--- Quote --- Different ages, different dangers The law is set up to keep kids out of danger until they are of age. Whether that be at age 5 or age 17. The law dictates the kids cannot be out on their own until they are of age.
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The law also dictates that you can't forcibly commit someone without due process, but I guess you guys cherry pick the laws you want to follow.
TheWho:
Look, STFU, we seem to disagree on various aspects of this and I respect you right to disagree. But this doesn’t make you right. In fact you are far from it. Kids need to be kept safe until they are able to fend for themselves. Programs don’t decide this the law does. If you get out and vote then you can lower the age to age 5 if you like. You probably were in a program yourself and never finished so you are unable to see the larger picture or the benefits and I am sorry you were hurt by the system if you were. The majority of the kids in programs have siblings at home who are doing fine do to great parenting skills. Program parents are parents that are engaged with their kids and want the best for them. They are not absentee parents like many want to believe. Their kids are the ones on the street corners or collecting welfare someplace. The problem lies with the child and sometimes the family dynamics. This is hard to swallow for you but it is the common denominator. The process of helping these kids may not be perfect but at least they are doing something to help. You don’t seem to be contributing much by just dumping anger.
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