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psy:
minor note before i head to bed...
look, Mccarter,
To me, responsibility means for my own actions and that is it. To you, it seems to mean for anything that happens to you in your life (universal). It's a convenient philosophy for programs to teach to parents in their seminars because you're always "at cause"(alwys your fault). This means they can screw you all they want and no matter what, you'll blame yourself.
just food for thought.
Is it possible you made a mistake by putting your daugher in CCM? is it? Would you believe her or condemn her (accuse her of manipulation) if she ever told you about mistreatment while there? Why?
psy:
Also, just FYI, this forum is unmoderated. Please don't blame *everybody* for the words of just one person. Contrary to what you might think, not everybody here thinks alike.
Antigen:
--- Quote from: "Che Gookin" ---Taking responsibility for you actions?
Damn girl.. staff words!
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Ok, yeah, but I know the true meaning of those words. Just like I knew, instinctively, that they had misspelled the word "impotent" when they typed out the rules staring with the first one, "Honesty, the first and most important[sic] rule".
Antigen:
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--- Quote from: "mcarter.fornits" ---However I WILL NOT RESPOND to anonymous emails - since people have decided to post my name, Diane's phone numbers and a whole lot more information, then if you expect me to respond then I will expect the same - a minimum of your full name and location. Nor will I respond to flames.
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Let's make this clear right from the gate. YOU posted that personal identifying information about yourself in your profile at Blogger.com. You can't legitimately complain about anybody but yourself making that public. I suppose that when you did that, you just presumed that the whole world would agree with you and maybe send you love letters or business connects or something. Now you're haring from people who have been the beneficiaries of the same sort of "help" you have inflicted on your daughter. Yeah, it cost you a lot. That 30 year mortgage is nothing compared to the costs you have begun to realize but have yet to properly attribute to the correct cause.
Quit picking on the kid and take some responsibility for your own actions, please.
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Excuse me - but my wife's work phone numbers ARE NOT posted on my profile, nor on hers. Nor is my father's name. Sure, if you dig and research enough you can probably find that and a lot more. For example, my wife's work phone numbers are associated with here job, period.
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Oh, you assumed we're all druggie fuckups, incapable of doing simple quick research? Your bad. It's all out there and you published the initial information and impetus for people to hit Whitepages.com to gather the rest. Because you were guilty of the 7th Cardinal sin, you figured it was safe enough to do this. The real gut busting laughable irony here is that it really is that safe. So? You've had a bit of your dirty laundry tied to your identity. Can you even begin to imagine how your daughter must feel discovering the last 4 years of her private life published without her consent or even information ??? It's not as if any old prospective school, employer or significant other couldn't do the same light research in the same ten minutes it took the troll to do it.
Look, listen, I think you're a reasonable man who has been snookered in very like manner to the way my own very wise and heartfull father had been. Just tell the Program staffer in your head to sit down and shut the fuck up and take a look at what you have done, please. I'd rather never hear from you or Katie again in this public forum but know that you worked things out than to have more grotesque publicity for the cause. But if you refuse to address her respectfully as a fully qualified human being (who, btw, will be responsible for your care in your later life in much the same way you were for hers in her early life ... not to put too fine a point on it) then I predict, but do not wish, that this ugly family brawl will continue where you started it, in public.
Butch the fuck up, man! Quit layin' it on your young daughter and calling it heroism! Aw gawd! This is fucking Sickening!!! Stop please! Go pick on someone your own size!
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Now, you will be glad to know you have frightened her.
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Uh, do you think she and you have not frightened Katie ... repeatedly... protractedly? Butch the fuck up or cut your balls off and pickle them.
--- Quote --- I hope those threatening us are proud of themselves - like the anti-abortionists going around with fetus's in a jar - you want to protect only certain people and hurt anyone else. So rights only extend to those hiding behind the white sheets.
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Or those of legal age of majority? Hypocrite. Take what you dish out with a little courage and maybe, one day, your daughter will trust you again.
--- Quote ---Nobody here has truly tried to discuss anything - but have loaded entry after entry with threats. Things like telling my daughter that she should slit my throat in my sleep. I guess things like that are good and proper, while doing the best I can to raise my children is wrong. If the people here spent half the energy helping people that they do tearing others down then the world would be a better place.
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Well, one of the things a lot of us try to warn the program faithful about is that some people are so adversely effected by this mindfuck that they become irredeemably violent and sociopathic. You are one lucky son of a bitch in that your daughter, unlike some, is still trying to reach out to you with arms of love and words of understanding instead of a baseball bat like Timothy Nixon http://www.thestraights.com/pickets/warning_parents.htm or a number of other kids who have turned their rage either on their parents in murder or on themselves in suicide.
Look, Mike. I meant what I said. I think you're sincere but misguided. You just don't know the real history of the cult to which you have given your allegiance. You should look into it some.
--- Quote ---I don't see anyone here looking for any kind of balance nor truth. It is all pushing their agenda.
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What, are you fucking kidding me? Take a minute or two and contemplate this question, please. Why in the world would so many people ranging from the unimpeachable professional success story all the way to the disenfranchised meth head or prolee continue to protest this one common element of our experience after all these decades if there were not something to it? Why would so many parents, like Buzzkill and others, join in their dissent?
Not saying you're a bad person or dumb or any such like. Smart people are easier to scam than dumb ones because of... well, that deadly sin... you know the one... Just saying please live up to your reputation and think instead of just scrambling to rearrange your prejudices or deck chairs or however you fancy to visualize it.
Sometimes an agenda has merit, other times it doesn't. You know that. You're a logical man. I'm disappointed that someone calling themselves a programmer would stoop to using that right honorable term in a pejorative manner a la program drone. WAKE THE FUCK UP! THIS IS THE ONLY DAUGHTER YOU WILL LIKELY EVER HAVE!
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Is the color of a t-shirt abusive - I don't think so. Nor more so than rank symbols in the military are - they indicate EARNED privileges and responsibility.
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No more than the shape of a dunce cap. It's the meaning in context that is demeaning. And, trust me as one who has been there, this is a very MINOR little red herring thrown by a troll. Much more harmful and obvious abuse is discussed in this thread. Ask yourself, please, why you would choose to grab for the low hanging fruit and seize on that particular argument instead of addressing any of the many more substantial topics raised in this and related threads.
Please as yourself. I don't care very much whether you answer me or not. But please, please ask yourself.
Anonymous:
Anyone wonder about the kind of stupid required to fork over one's life savings to a cult?
Beheld: Michael C. Carter, misbegotten son of Carrol Joseph Carter, and his wife, Diane Carter, of Dayton Ohio. His idiocy surpasses lesser idiots, on this day of our savior's resurrection, and forevermore.
Michael Carter, YOU posted your full name, you father’s full name, and your wife’s name & pictures on your blog along with you address. I think you even linked to your wife’s place of work, or mentioned she worked in real estate. I don’t remember. The only "research" that may have done to get her address was to Google her name (which you provided) and her location (which you provided) and, poof, top of the page, her work # appears.
Be thankful no emails were sent to ALL of your associates, work and otherwise, about what you did to your own daughter.
Because, while you choose WWASP-dream-cult-world over reality as witnessed in multiple lawsuits, sworn testimonies, news articles, books, clinical studies, deaths, criminal prosecutions, the well-known record of its founders, and your OWN eyes if you were capable of comprehending what you saw (Hint:not allowing a human being to call ANYONE until she "earns" that privilege is psychological torture, and illegal, even in prison) most people live in reality…And what do you think they’d think of YOU if they found out what YOU did?
(Outside of those who work for the teen torture industry, like Neil W, and mentally warped lappers of LGATs and EST, people don’t condone the torture of innocents.)
Also, what is the problem with posting your wife or father’s name and address.Please tell me what your objections are about that, exactly.
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