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Re: Measurement of Success
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2009, 05:44:05 PM »
You brag about drug abuse and expect parents to trust you over program reps or drug-free program graduates? I don't think you thought your plan all the way through. Fornits is great for program supporters, because most of you just confirm what parents already believe about you, and lose all credibility you might of had otherwise. You know, if you used better language, lowered the anger levels down, and didn't brag about being high all the time you might help more kids.

But I think it's clear this site isn't about being against programs. It would appear the owner and operator of this website considers themselves a libertarian and endorsed Ron Paul for president. Did you know if this country adopted libertarian politics, programs would flourish like never before? The government harassment of programs would end overnight. The youth in state programs would have to be transfered to private programs. It would be a program renaissance if Ron Paul had won any significant political power.

Oh, that's right. You all think you can "educate" your way out of this.  :roflmao:

Keep bragging about drug use, and keep stalking the parents of drug users who overdosed and you'll have a tough time getting anybody to listen. Any way you look at it, fornits is a failure. Well, unless you count the money raised for certain unnamed individuals. That wasn't a failure, in fact it has been quite profitable. Keep it up, I'm sure enough suckers will find there way here every now and then and a few might be dumb enough to take this place seriously. Let's all pray the next sucker has really deep pockets, and a penchant for cognitive dissonance!
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Re: Measurement of Success
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2009, 07:42:11 PM »
Hey programmie, need some Preparation H?
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Re: Measurement of Success
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2009, 07:59:40 PM »
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You know, if you used better language.

You're joking, right? This, coming from someone who can't even argue their way around a stale doughnut?


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Re: Measurement of Success
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2009, 09:01:34 AM »
Quote from: "Parents don't trust drug users"
You brag about drug abuse and expect parents to trust you over program reps or drug-free program graduates? I don't think you thought your plan all the way through. Fornits is great for program supporters, because most of you just confirm what parents already believe about you, and lose all credibility you might of had otherwise. You know, if you used better language, lowered the anger levels down, and didn't brag about being high all the time you might help more kids.


You're either incredibly stupid, or you're the person who wrote the "bong" post to me.  It was OBVIOUSLY someone trying to discredit anything I said.  Wonder why?  Did I hit a few nerves???   Hmmm??

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But I think it's clear this site isn't about being against programs. It would appear the owner and operator of this website considers themselves a libertarian and endorsed Ron Paul for president.

So?  What the hell does that have to do with anything?   The owner of the site has nothing to do with the content that people post.


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Did you know if this country adopted libertarian politics, programs would flourish like never before? The government harassment of programs would end overnight. The youth in state programs would have to be transfered to private programs. It would be a program renaissance if Ron Paul had won any significant political power.

Ummmmmm, who gives a shit about Ron Paul??  What did someone mention him on Fornits so now you're trying to say that we ALL are libertarians or Ron Paul supporters?  And I beg to differ with your claims.  If libertarians ran things they'd tell parents to take care of their own fucking kids and quit expecting other people to do it for them for money.


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Oh, that's right. You all think you can "educate" your way out of this.

I donj't know what you have against education but it seems to be a common factor with you people.  You have no critical thinking skills.  I didn't either when I first got out...I had to educate myself and regain them.  But don't you worry your pretty little head about things like education, facts etc.  Silly.


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Keep bragging about drug use, and keep stalking the parents of drug users who overdosed and you'll have a tough time getting anybody to listen.

Stalking???  Seriously??  I stated an opinion about what that parents posted.....sorry if it touched a nerve.  I truly AM sorry that the kid had to endure the kind of pain he did. I've felt that pain, I've felt that desperation, I've felt that stark-cold fear.  

 
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Any way you look at it, fornits is a failure.

Yeah, y'all keep saying that yet traffic is increasing, programs are closing, parents are pulling kids and YOU guys are coming around telling us we're failures.  Taht last one is a sure sign to us that we ARE succeeding.  If we weren't, you wouldn't bother.

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Well, unless you count the money raised for certain unnamed individuals. That wasn't a failure, in fact it has been quite profitable.

What the hell are you talking about?

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Keep it up, I'm sure enough suckers will find there way here every now and then and a few might be dumb enough to take this place seriously. Let's all pray the next sucker has really deep pockets, and a penchant for cognitive dissonance!
 :moon:


You keep it up....please.   You only confirm taht we're on the right track.  Thanks! :beat:  :seg:  :rocker:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :boycott:  :boycott:  :boycott:  :boycott:  :boycott:  :boycott:  :boycott:
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Re: Measurement of Success
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2009, 10:21:28 AM »
Quote from: "Parents don't trust drug users"
You brag about drug abuse and expect parents to trust you over program reps or drug-free program graduates? I don't think you thought your plan all the way through. Fornits is great for program supporters, because most of you just confirm what parents already believe about you, and lose all credibility you might of had otherwise. You know, if you used better language, lowered the anger levels down, and didn't brag about being high all the time you might help more kids. . . .

Keep bragging about drug use, and keep stalking the parents of drug users who overdosed and you'll have a tough time getting anybody to listen. Any way you look at it, fornits is a failure. Well, unless you count the money raised for certain unnamed individuals. That wasn't a failure, in fact it has been quite profitable. Keep it up, I'm sure enough suckers will find there way here every now and then and a few might be dumb enough to take this place seriously. Let's all pray the next sucker has really deep pockets, and a penchant for cognitive dissonance!
 :moon:
I hear you, just because people here are hip to the ways of drug war doesn't mean everyone who comes along will be as hip to it. You are right about that; people here might want to consider toning it down a bit, just a thought. Aside from that, I don't think the rest is quite as 'black-and-white' as you make it out to be.
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Re: Measurement of Success
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2009, 10:26:24 AM »
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you're the person who wrote the "bong" post to me.

Wrong.


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  If libertarians ran things they'd tell parents to take care of their own fucking kids and quit expecting other people to do it for them for money.

Wrong again. If Libertarians ran things they wouldn't tell parents anything, they would let them do whatever they want. Which means they would be free to send their kid to any program. There is a lot of regulation in place now, under Libertarian rule it would all be abolished in favor of parental choice. Is that what you want, because if you do then you are a secret, don't even know it, program supporter. Which is of course, hilarious. The truth is, if you support Fornits and it's policies then you are a program supporter, even if you claim otherwise.

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Yeah, y'all keep saying that yet traffic is increasing, programs are closing, parents are pulling kids and YOU guys are coming around telling us we're failures.  Taht last one is a sure sign to us that we ARE succeeding.  If we weren't, you wouldn't bother.

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Re: Measurement of Success
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2009, 11:42:23 AM »
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The government harassment of programs

Such as?  LOL.  Most program that have been shut down by civil action, something that libertarians are very much in favor of.
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Re: Measurement of Success
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2009, 02:31:55 PM »
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No, it's not that strange. I doubt many europeans could afford $5,000 a month for there kid, or any other reason. New trends start in America because we work hard and make a lot of money and spend it to make our lives better for our families. Every country has problems dealing with troubled youth. Socialist countries in europe send them away to state-run juvenile detention. American parents could call the police and send their kid to juvenile hall, but instead find a more effective option that will not leave a criminal record. Even poorer countries don't do anything for their youths, and they get drawn into religious extremism and cause all sorts of troubled for everyone.

that's like saying "there are no programs in Uganda, that proves that programs don't provide a needed service". That argument doesn't work, because if that were true programs would be out of business already. American parents utilize program services for a reason and just because other people can't afford it or societies would rather have government dealing with their kids, it doesn't prove anything other than America is #1 again in finding safe and helpful ways of dealing with troubled teens.


Oh my... I just have to say, this is rich. Have you any idea what is happening in your world right now? Have you ever left the comfort of your sad, delusional country (you know, the one one the verge of complete economic collapse and drowning in debt) and your pathetic, failed dogma?

Honestly, I can only feel compassion for people like you. Your xenophobia prevents you from seeing how beautiful the world outside your own fortress really is. Perhaps let down the drawbridge one day and go exploring for a bit.
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Re: Measurement of Success
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2009, 02:57:49 PM »
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American parents utilize program services for a reason and just because other people can't afford it or societies would rather have government dealing with their kids, it doesn't prove anything other than America is #1 again in finding safe and helpful ways of dealing with troubled teens.

I guess that must have something to do with the fact that the United States and Somalia were the only two countries to flat out refuse to...ratify the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child.

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Re: Measurement of Success
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2009, 03:24:42 PM »
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American parents utilize program services for a reason and just because other people can't afford it or societies would rather have government dealing with their kids, it doesn't prove anything other than America is #1 again in finding safe and helpful ways of dealing with troubled teens.

I guess that must have something to do with the fact that the United States and Somalia were the only two countries to flat out refuse to...ratify the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=24114
viewtopic.php?f=49&t=27046

Do you believe if the US did sign it, that the United Nations would invade America and set the kids free? What would be the point? All it takes to satisfy the anti-program "activists" is a symbolic gesture with no follow up? Interesting.

The US refuses to bow down to the UN altar for good reasons.

But wait, in fornits land, you all must believe child abuse only happens in US and Somalia because they didn't sign a document worth less than the paper it's printed on? Hilarious!
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Re: Measurement of Success
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2009, 03:27:23 PM »
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Do you believe if the US did sign it, that the United Nations would invade America and set the kids free?

Course not... but most countries voluntarily follow treaties they sign.  Where the UN fails it does so when it tries to enforce it's will on countries that do not agree...  in those cases all they can use is harsh language and threats of sanctions nobody will obey.
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Re: Measurement of Success
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2009, 04:45:11 PM »
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Ummmmmm, who gives a shit about Ron Paul??  What did someone mention him on Fornits so now you're trying to say that we ALL are libertarians or Ron Paul supporters?  And I beg to differ with your claims.  If libertarians ran things they'd tell parents to take care of their own fucking kids and quit expecting other people to do it for them for money.


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I disagree with you on that. These programs exist because of a LACK of govt intervention. "Govt off of our backs" is how these abductors, imprisoners and torturers have flourished.

Govt  NEEDS to get on our backs, intervene on behalf of captured young people and protect them from the predications of medically invalid and unnecessary "treatment."

So, anyway, as you can see. Lots of different beliefs about things from survivors of programs on fornits. If you go to Heal, Cafety, Fica, Safe, Caica you'll see a lot of other different beliefs.


What does this have to do with the price of eggs? I dont know.

If people here like arguing with cult disiples. why not argue with cult disiples here
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/wish/ ... KPVEM8FPSR
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/wish/ ... H8BA6MVS4J

It will serve the purpose of getting the truth out ..
instead of this exchange which really serves nothing.
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Re: Measurement of Success
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2009, 04:50:07 PM »
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Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Ummmmmm, who gives a shit about Ron Paul??  What did someone mention him on Fornits so now you're trying to say that we ALL are libertarians or Ron Paul supporters?  And I beg to differ with your claims.  If libertarians ran things they'd tell parents to take care of their own fucking kids and quit expecting other people to do it for them for money.


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I disagree with you on that. These programs exist because of a LACK of govt intervention. "Govt off of our backs" is how these abductors, imprisoners and torturers have flourished.

Govt  NEEDS to get on our backs, intervene on behalf of captured young people and protect them from the predications of medically invalid and unnecessary "treatment."

So, anyway, as you can see. Lots of different beliefs about things from survivors of programs on fornits. If you go to Heal, Cafety, Fica, Safe, Caica you'll see a lot of other different beliefs.


What does this have to do with the price of eggs? I dont know.

If people here like arguing with cult disiples. why not argue with cult disiples here
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/wish/ ... KPVEM8FPSR
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/wish/ ... H8BA6MVS4J

It will serve the purpose of getting the truth out ..
instead of this exchange which really serves nothing.

Not that posting about this subject here isnt valid, that is.
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