Its really funny because you guys reject traditional medicine based treatment in search of a "common sense" approach with no evidence to back it up.
Since when? You haven't been paying attention, little one.
It seems that the last few posts about this were in regards to misdiagnosis/overdiagnosis, not a rejection of medical treatment altogether. Haven't you ever heard of designer disorders before? That's just as bad as new age hippie cult "therapy" and tough love.
Even valid conditions can be over diagnosed, such as ADD, which really is a condition. And diagnoses that deal with broad spectrum personality disorders is changing all the time. e.g. Sociopath is now considered antisocial, and even my own psychiatrist has problems with the understanding of borderline. Mainly because of the name.
Your view of this is quite myopic. As if someone has to embrace something across the board in either camp. That's real black and white thinking. Which is actually a common symptom of someone with borderline, ironically enough.
I personally believe that all of these diagnoses do exist and are valid (with the exception being ODD). The issue isn't their existence, it's misdiagnosis.
The industry will borrow whatever it feels is appropriate to get your money, so it will take tough love, tony robbins, and whatever medical diagnosis is the most popular these days, to scare the crap out of you to get your kid. and... it addresses and treats none of the issues it says it does.
For example, I am bipolar. I was BORN bipolar. When I was a child, I was misdiagnosed as having ADD. (Then called hyperactivity disorder) It became obvious when I reached adolescence that this was not the case at all, and it became evident after my first suicide attempt that I was suffering either from depression or bipolar. I most certainly needed treatment and therapy for it, and the absolute LAST place I should have been... was where I was... in Idaho. That didn't help at all. And no other TTI program can help with psychological disorders, or anything else, and they CERTAINLY can't diagnose, and any shrink working closely within the industry, (such as CEDU's Dr. Ulrich) should always be held suspect.
The fact that some of these websites actually have online quizilla-style polls to take to determine if your kid has odd or add or borderline is ridiculous. check this box, my ass. Do you have any idea how long it can take sometimes to properly diagnose someone and determine a proper course of treatment which works? Years, sometimes decades. (I'm sure there are those here who would argue that this means psych treatment is a fraud, but I disagree. I know how it feels when I am crazy, vs. when I'm getting proper meds, so fuck right off.)
So guess what? Some place that makes a bunch of kids chop wood and scream at each other in groups and live in cages when they are misbehaving isn't going to treat shit, even if they decide to crowbar some sort of half-assed (and extremely dangerous) psych med regimen into the program.
Really, if you are a parent, and you have a kid with a psychological condition, you should be fucking flogged in half even more than other program parents for thinking that a TBS is the right place for your kid.
At CEDU, we had what was called our "option". i.e. it was the plan B that our parents had if it didn't work out at CEDU. Normally the staff would hang it over the kid's head to scare them into compliance. (such as "You're going to provo." or "you're going to CYA") Well, my option was apparently a psych ward in Georgia, where I was gong to start on a course of lithium.
Guess what medication I'm on now, motherfuckers? Lithium. And it's the only shit that has ever worked for me. Twenty motherfucking years of dicking around with meds and trying to drill down my diagnosis, and I finally end up with what we were going to try in the first place. Not saying that Georgia would have been better or worse. I have no idea, and that is arguing the hypothetical. But it certainly would have saved me some time and doctors' bills.
Also.. I myself have never heard of a diagnosis of either borderline or ODD applied to gangbangers. And the thought of any gangbanger going to a shrink seems downright absurd. Psychology isn't a part of gang culture, yo, unless their attorney is having them plead criminally insane.