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split twice · « **on:** February 15, 2009, 12:05:46 AM »

My name is marty brown,I was court ordered to the seed from naples in 74..maybe ''73.Any way i was 13 or 14,and had a hell of a time gettin` any sleep,cause of them dang moral inventories. I often remember Libby,Annie,Scott,Robert Chun,John Underwood,and can`t quite be positive about the other names,seems like there might have been a chick named penny.

One of the weirdest things i remember,is during rap,the two leaders would look at each other and act like they could feel art`s presence in the building ,and ask if we felt it.Most everybody would get goosebumps all over their arms,as if Jesus had graced us with his presence when art came in.

Anyway,i`ve gained and suffered both from that experience..all the rest of my life both cursin` the devil,and thankin` the lord for for it.Sometimes the wisdom came in handy,..other times the knowledge of how people are such users just gets me down.

If anyone can help me recall the rest of the staff from that period i would appreciate it ..and if anyone remembers Mark Swann,who`s home i split out the bedroom window,and Marc Solo,from who`s window i made my last escape.

Any naples seedlings around here?Or does anyone remember Theresa and Mark Furman,Mary and Patty Mills,John Ford,John Shafer,etc.

Or does anyone remember the parents night when i had to get up and tell what I had learned since comming to the seed?
I said"I`ve learned a lot about honesty since comming to the seed,and i honestly want the hell out of this damned place"...
...boy did i catch hell for that!

Thanks for being here folks!...Never thought i`d see the day..the seed on the infomation super freakin` highway. marty

soflajb · « **Reply #1 on:** February 18, 2009, 05:07:23 PM »

welcome to the forum
- nice post

your comment "Anyway,i`ve gained and suffered both from that experience..all the rest of my life both cursin` the devil,and thankin` the lord for for it.Sometimes the wisdom came in handy,..other times the knowledge of how people are such users just gets me down." pretty much sums up my feelings about the seed. it wasnt all good or all bad, but it was a crazy messed up trip through it.

this board is not too active anymore but a few stop by from time to time. i was never in the FL seed - i was in cleveland on the program 76-77, around off and on until it closed.

you woulda been slightly older than me - i turned 15 in 1976.

your post definitely made me laugh - thanks for the comments. you reminded me of a newcomer in cleveland who, at his first open meeting, got up and started to introduce himself, proceeded to say something to the effect of, "I never really hated my father, that is until he put me in here....." well you can imagine he got yanked from the line up pretty quickly and out of the open meeting, and returned after about an hour to get up in front of the room and apologize. we could only imagine what the reeming he got behind the scenes was like.

Deprogrammed · « **Reply #2 on:** February 19, 2009, 01:54:04 PM »

Quote from: "split twice"

My name is marty brown,I was court ordered to the seed from naples in 74..maybe ''73.Any way i was 13 or 14,and had a hell of a time gettin` any sleep,cause of them dang moral inventories. I often remember Libby,Annie,Scott,Robert Chun,John Underwood,and can`t quite be positive about the other names,seems like there might have been a chick named penny.

One of the weirdest things i remember,is during rap,the two leaders would look at each other and act like they could feel art`s presence in the building ,and ask if we felt it.Most everybody would get goosebumps all over their arms,as if Jesus had graced us with his presence when art came in.

Anyway,i`ve gained and suffered both from that experience..all the rest of my life both cursin` the devil,and thankin` the lord for for it.Sometimes the wisdom came in handy,..other times the knowledge of how people are such users just gets me down.

If anyone can help me recall the rest of the staff from that period i would appreciate it ..and if anyone remembers Mark Swann,who`s home i split out the bedroom window,and Marc Solo,from who`s window i made my last escape.

Any naples seedlings around here?Or does anyone remember Theresa and Mark Furman,Mary and Patty Mills,John Ford,John Shafer,etc.

Or does anyone remember the parents night when i had to get up and tell what I had learned since comming to the seed?
I said"I`ve learned a lot about honesty since comming to the seed,and i honestly want the hell out of this damned place"...
...boy did i catch hell for that!

Thanks for being here folks!...Never thought i`d see the day..the seed on the infomation super freakin` highway. marty

What did this "Penny", look like? Did this person have a last name?
kind regards,
-DP

Anonymous · « **Reply #3 on:** February 22, 2009, 12:31:30 AM »

DP,it seems like penny might have been a black girl,not sure.I am known for my memory,but must have suppressed a lot..it seems when i rarely meet up with someone who was there,they seem to not to recall a fraction of what i do.Then when i came here,or any where else on line to look into the seed for only just recently,i am amazed at what people remember,and how little i actually do.
Another thing that has stood out in my memory is how annie,the skinny rap leader chick had a bad habit of chewing at the insides of her mouth,pressing at the sides of her face the get a better bite...........God,i know i could have caught hell for talking behind her back the way that i`m doing.
When they first filled me in on the deal about not talking behind someones back,i asked my old comer how did they find each other if you can`t ask somebody where they are,it seems like i was told by a nearby old timer that if you don`t see them at the seed they`re probably not worth seeing.

After i split the seed the second time,the judge sent me to the concept house,that was a friggin` nut house is what that place was! I was out the back stairway by 2:00 am the same night.I`m from a tiny island down in the everglades,and i was not prepared for that place,people running around in their droors ,wearin` homemade capes and masks,and wearing signs!

There was a big black guy,probably at least 6-10,they figured he had an ego problem,so they made him carry a six foot plastic hot dog & bun,with a sign saying "Any friend of Oscar Meyer`s is a friend of mine !"

later,marty

grad1 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:24:55 AM »

Re: Penny. She was black and sometimes Art would have her sing "People" at open meetings. She had a beautiful voice. I was really scared of her when I was on my program. I think she came down on some people really hard. I guess they deserved it. She seemed fair. She also had a funny side and a kind side. She came back to a get together not too many years before the Seed closed. She looked great.

I remember Cliff was leading a rap and digressed to tell a story about getting sent to do some shopping and Penny went with him. He said he felt really weird and getting "strange vibes" at the grocery store. He said that suddenly he looked at Penny and she looked at him and he said, "your are black", while at the same time she looked at him and said, "your white". We all laughed like crazy. He said the lesson was that after your are straight superficial shit is not important and in our minds.

It is really funny how we remember some things crystal clear and there are persons and long periods of time that we forget.

Anne could come down on people real hard, but she seemed nice. I was always scared shitless of saying something wrong and having staff come down on me. They never did. I felt I would have broke.

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split twice · « **Reply #5 on:** February 25, 2009, 09:35:52 PM »

Yeh,grad,i remember her singing,now that you mention it,and she was a good looking woman.
I`m sure she had a turn at my ass.Annie was something else,when she got down on somebodies ass,there was such a look of disgust on her face.

Scott embarrassed me once in my first few days.I still had hair way down my back ,it was in a guys rap,and the subject was self respect.Scott asked me if i respected myself.I don`t remember what i said,but he made me stand up,and started acting like he was all pissed off and disgusted,and was gonna come over there and slap a turd out of me,or somethin`.Yelling like a mad man,he said "If you even wipe yer ass when you take a shit,that`s the closest you ever came to respectin` yourself"...and then the hands started going up,man the feedin` frinzy had begun!..it was bad enough in a guys rap.I was terrified something like that would eventually happen in front of chicks,and of course there were those times.
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Anonymous · « **Reply #6 on:** March 27, 2009, 06:19:47 PM »

Marty

I remember. Art used the "black" dude like a body gaurd. Cookie was a staff memeber as was Ginger, Terry, John, Kenny etc. I was there for way to long................ bad memories. I remember Art taking Libby on his house boat for sex. He also took some of us girls to a porn shop in Hollywood Fl. He would have us at his house and put on porn movies. Lot's of abuse! Cookie went thru a lot when her dad died and she inherited about 1 million dollars that was when the staff was living in Davie Fl at some ladies house I don't remember her name. I was living in the "cottage" next to it with a bunch of girls Terry Pridgeon, a girl named Cathy who married John another girl with long black hair who Art was after can't remember her name. Do remember Ginger. So many bad memories. Hope life is better for you now. What a screwed up place. I left in the dark of night. One time Art kicked me so hard my butt bled internally! I would love to file a class action suit any takers?

split twice · « **Reply #7 on:** April 04, 2009, 07:28:37 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

Marty

I remember. Art used the "black" dude like a body gaurd. Cookie was a staff memeber as was Ginger, Terry, John, Kenny etc. I was there for way to long................ bad memories. I remember Art taking Libby on his house boat for sex. He also took some of us girls to a porn shop in Hollywood Fl. He would have us at his house and put on porn movies. Lot's of abuse! Cookie went thru a lot when her dad died and she inherited about 1 million dollars that was when the staff was living in Davie Fl at some ladies house I don't remember her name. I was living in the "cottage" next to it with a bunch of girls Terry Pridgeon, a girl named Cathy who married John another girl with long black hair who Art was after can't remember her name. Do remember Ginger. So many bad memories. Hope life is better for you now. What a screwed up place. I left in the dark of night. One time Art kicked me so hard my butt bled internally! I would love to file a class action suit any takers?

Hi,i`m really sorry to hear these things happened to you..pretty damned ridiculous for a young girl to have to go through that kind of thing in the name of rehabilitation .I hope you`ll stay in touch..Ijust found this site,and need people who can relate.I`ve always known there were people kinda like me,just never knew how to reach them..i`ve always felt the need.In church i was told to just forget all that stuff..Yea,Right!....marty

Antigen · « **Reply #8 on:** April 05, 2009, 01:08:19 PM »

The black dude was Robert Chun(sp?) and, last I heard, he's still Art's personal body guard and chauffeur. That was back around 2001, I think, just prior to the "Rap from Hell" when the Libbi faction confronted Art and the two factions split and the Seed, Inc. was disincorporated.

Ft. Lauderdale · « **Reply #9 on:** April 06, 2009, 08:50:06 AM »

Antigen - as usual you are just making stuff up again. No body guard ever existed. Thats what scares me about you. You always take a little bit of truth and drag it into making it a whole bunch of- excuse the expression "Shit". I think you just made one too many PB & J's. Even though you've always been in my opinion one sandwich short of a picnic basket. :clown:

Ft. Lauderdale · « **Reply #10 on:** April 06, 2009, 08:56:49 AM »

Sorry...when I chose that laughing clown - i really did not realize that he had an axe with blood on it. When choosing I thought he was just clowning around. ::deadhorse:: although this beating a dead horse is much more appropiate for this site. I really just check in from time to time & I must say I appreciate being able to reconnect with some friends that I have reconnected with. :peace:

Anonymous · « **Reply #11 on:** April 07, 2009, 07:22:36 PM »

Hey Art did use Robert as a body Guard. I was there and remember! It was Art's alter ego thinking someone other then a "seedling" would want to accost him lol
He was a bigot and a jerk. Sadly with Robert being black I would say Art was also a racist! What was so pathetic is that Robert actually "acted" the part and allowed Art to use/belittle him in that way. Ahh so much bad stuff! But it's all true. I will attest to that! I WAS THERE SAW IT AND LIVED IT!

Antigen · « **Reply #12 on:** April 08, 2009, 02:33:51 AM »

Thanks for the backup, guest. Terry ... omg! sorry! I should have said "he who shall not be named" likes to lurk as long as it takes for me to post then give me a good old down home oldtimer come down. The only good old friend I know if that he's met here is my older brother, who does about the same but less vigilantly.

Shit, Terry, do you know that you and I have more contact than me and Thom have had since my intake day in 1980? It's true.

Anyway, maybe we'll read about Rob Chun in Evan Wright's upcoming novel. Maybe not. Either way, I remember and so do you and I'm sure 20 years or so worth of Seedlings do too.

Thanks again,
Ginger
(not the staffer)

Ft. Lauderdale · « **Reply #13 on:** April 08, 2009, 08:21:41 AM »

Dear Dear Antigen - Lets really get the facts down right - When you say since your intake in 1980 please don't mislead the folks - you were never at the Seed - you were at Straight Inc - You love to mislead - You really do a good job of taking partial truths and add on to your delight. Have a really nice day :whip:

Antigen · « **Reply #14 on:** April 08, 2009, 11:40:50 AM »

And yet somehow I remember fairly accurately the people who were there and events that took place there from around 70 - around 79 or so. Guess I must be psychic. I may not have been on front row but, believe me, the whole family got sucked into the twilight zone around the time Pam went on front row and Jim, love sick, followed her there. Did you know they married and had a kid?

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