Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
PURE Rebuttal - It All Makes Sense Now
Anonymous:
That's the key,
"you have seen many in their magazine." Is that the same gloosy magaize with kids riidng jorses? The one with kids with smiling faces ,heads uo ,looking out?
The one where kids are playing in the ocean?
I have learned the hard way ,don't believe what you read. Don't believe what you hear .Don't believe what you are told by Teen Help associates who recieve a huge referral fee.
Fraud fraud fraud
scottT:
I've heard this drivel about Samoa "choosing" to be closed down before. For what reason did the operator "choose" to shut down?
Did Samoa shut down because the operator had achieved all his goals-- there just wasn't a market for teens needing help anymore? He had already made all the money in world and became arm-weary from carrying it to the bank everyday?
I suppose with your new PR firm, your next strategy will be to pass off the closure of Dundee as merely a voluntary "choice" also. After all, Narvin voluntarily "chose" to ignore Costa Rican immigration law, and brought in 100s of kids without legal visas. Narvin "chose" to operate in a fashion that he had to hire six different directors within an 18 months period. (Did he "choose" incompetent managers, or did the managers "choose" not to be accessories to his depredations?)
Narvin "chose" to induce hundreds of parents to send their kids thousands of miles away from home --- while overlooking the fact that as a matter of Costa Rican law, human beings over age 14 cannot be held against their will. Narvin "chose" to operate in Costa Rica because he thought he could avoid those nasty regulators (like the ones in the U.S. that shut down Provo Canyon Boys Ranch and Brightway) He just "chose" to forget that he might be subject to different local laws.
And then when the stuff hits the fan, its NOT the fault of the management who made these choices. Nooooo! BLAME THE PROSECUTOR FOR ENFORCING THE LAW! Did it occur to anyone that that Costa Rica (and most of the other nations of the world) might have a legitimate interest in protecting the rights of 14 year old humans from incarceration without a semblance of due process? And further, that that interest might conceivaby outweigh the interest of a for-profit operator of a private incarceration facility?
Pray tell, was the Dundee program an example of WILLFUL disregard of local law or just GROSS NEGLIGENCE in exposing the inmates to a situation that became inevitable as a direct result of management's voluntary choices?
As for the "temporary" nature of the shutdown, it seems both sides are distancing themselves from each other. Narvin was quoted a few weeks ago in the Costa Rican Tico Times as saying his new plan is to re-open as a more coventional boarding school (like his local Competitor, Coronado Academy) which probably won't be affiliated with WWASPs. Meanwhile, the boys at the home office in Utah are getting themselves a new PR firm and mumbling about how the unfortunate situation in Costa Rica was just so darn unfair, not representative of their swell program, yadda, yadda...
[ This Message was edited by: scottT on 2003-08-27 08:43 ]
Anonymous:
For all those that are so "vocal" about being victims, do you stand to make a lot of money in the supposed law suit and need to keep up the stories, or can you see your own accountability in finding that your choice was not what you needed for your "not that bad" teen? ANY behavior mod program is usually for teens that are out of the parents control. If you chose this for your child because they were just experiencing normal teen growth, what have you learned?
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2003-08-26 15:51:00, KarenZ wrote:
"
I was told quit specifically Dundee was a School.
When I and others complained about the lack of information we were able to get about the classes our kids were taking or how they were progressing ~in School~, we got the same crap and pabulum the anon poster above just laddled out - Your child isn't there for schooling, are they?
Well, Yes!
Among other things.
The schooling was a major factor, and I expected it to be advanced and progressive and high quality; just as I had been assured it would be.
"
--- End quote ---
SPECIALTY BOARDING SCHOOL - Not a conventional boarding school. Does "SCHOOL" have to mean academia? I view school as any place where we learn. That includeslearning about choices.
Anonymous:
Uhhhh, yeah. Actually a school does have to be about academia. That's pretty much the definition of school.
If all you get is education about choices, you probably wouldn't get any kind of accreditation. If you call yourself a school and provide nothing more than basic correspondence courses, an honest and carrying person should be expected to be upfront about the quality of what is actually being provided.
Given the litany of dubious achievements based on the WWASP choices making discussed below, I think they would make a wonderful business school case study on how to start out with a golden goose and turn it into a pile of scrambled eggs.
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