What kind of world is this?

[Anonymous]

First I hear of this "LSD Sterilization Plan of Nazi Germany" from this dude named Carl Schmidt who seems to know alot of intelligence type things. So I start looking around for more information and I see there was one Carl Clauberg, a Nazi doctor who was spending alot of his time researching sterilization of humans. Then the page turns and I see LSD was allegedly invented by one Albert Hoffman at Sandoz labs in 1943. Also, there's a chronological entry about there being some 2 million sterilized persons in Germany in 1945. Then we have this CIA with project called MK-ULTRA performing experiments on individuals in San Francisco in the 50's and 60's using LSD. MK-ULTRA was so top secret they even destroyed any trace on its details. Then as we know very well, LSD was spread widely across America by some "underground". A large demand for erectile dysfunction develops and motivates the discovery of Viagra.

Now people may have taken LSD and not experienced these symptoms but how potent was the dosage and how many times have you taken it? How cut is the dosage? Are you sure you're not getting some other hallucinogen with similar results when you think it's LSD.

I just want to know what is going on? I know CEDU was government sponsored, I used to unpack the boxes of food from government labeled boxes in the back kitchen. I know many other of these programs were also government sponsored. Was all this therapy we endured more Nazi research? I heard at CEDU they were using "Gestalt therapy" but they kept telling us to shut up about what they taught us. Yeah, I know that's a cult trick too but having live human subjects with no constraints could allow one to go much further in research than is typically seen in a highly regulated environment. All I can say is this is one f'd up world we're in. I don't know wtf is gonna happen with it.

[Anonymous]

break out the tin foil hats!

[Anonymous]

Interesting post.  Read up on the Seed if you want to learn about more government hijinks that will turn your stomach.  Gestalt therapy is ludicrous, it's the precursor to Tom Bratter's "attack therapy"  There was a psycoanalyst named John Rosen who's work is still cited and applied in RTC's.  Here's a place to start:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... V80821.DTL

If you can find Against Therapy by Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson.  From a review of the book:

"Finally, the renowned abuses of direct psychoanalysis by John Rosen are graphically delineated in the book with the whole of the psychotherapeutic profession being impervious to the aberrations of the sexual and physical abuse reaped on his patients and the patients of those under his tutelage."  http://www.adpca.org/Journal/Vol1_1/against.htm

A lot of professionals still value Rosen's work and try to dissacociate it from the man and his problems (two deaths, sexual exploitation of patients, revocation of license).  It could be argued that Rosen's work caused his problems.  The god-like control he demanded over his patients led to Rosen abusing those in his care because he could, and he went crazy like Caligula.  Read about Rosen and you'll be reminded of particular bastards from your program, especially if your program was John Dewey.

[try another castle]

what is it with you and the nazis? You're a closet fetishist, aren't you?

Be proud, brother. No need to hide. I think I can speak for everyone when I say that they sure were some snappy dressers.

[Anonymous]

Not so much fascination with the Nazis per se but with the camps and Mengele. I work in biological research primarily in the interest of drug discovery although I have also previously worked in biowarfare research. The regulatory aspects of doing any such research involving humans is justly very strict. The FDA can close a pharmaceutical company down immediately if there are violations. But Mengele and the gang had live many live subjects with no restrictions whatsoever. I frequently wonder what all they found, one might think they would find something significant. Reports available seem very weak, twins, cloning - I just wonder if there is much more to that gruesome story. Certainly it could be just as currently told but one never really knows.

[Anonymous]

Methamphetamine is another one to watch out for - "Meth can enhance one's sex drive, although, ironically, it can also cause impotence." Methamphetamine was also popular with the Nazis used by their troops. But if they had so many population concerns was this some "final solution" to the population explosion? It's sort of a torture trip - get you super horny but you can't get it up or if you can you can't cum. There are two varieties, a phenylacetone and an ephedrine compound. In the case of the ephedrine version, the primary active ingredients are ephedrine, hyrdriotic acid and red phosphorous. If you increase the amount of red phosphorous in the batch you form the MDMA molecule (extasy). I wouldn't doubt if some of the same side effects result from that one as well.

[Anonymous]

Methamphetamine is another one to watch out for - "Meth can enhance one's sex drive, although, ironically, it can also cause impotence." Methamphetamine was also popular with the Nazis used by their troops. But if they had so many population concerns was this some "final solution" to the population explosion? It's sort of a torture trip - get you super horny but you can't get it up or if you can you can't cum. There are two varieties, a phenylacetone and an ephedrine compound. In the case of the ephedrine version, the primary active ingredients are ephedrine, hyrdriotic acid and red phosphorous. If you increase the amount of red phosphorous in the batch you form the MDMA molecule (extasy). I wouldn't doubt if some of the same side effects result from that one as well.

wow. very interesting. what sort of medical research can you do?

[Anonymous]

I don't do any medical research at this point and never did anything on live subjects (in vitro). I have been involved with in silico research or informatics where you crunch through genetic and clinical data and develop models to simulate diseases and try and find cures, etc. You can also use this same techinque to find organisms and substances which will kill if you like, e.g. AIDS (although I know of proof of any scandal behind that one, I was a Frank Zappa fan and he was always very suspicious of its origins).

I agree with Psy, many factions of the government are inept. But others probably aren't. For example, the NSA seems to be a very elite organization. If you work for them I think you can never leave. The levels of security clearance requried to work for the NSA are above those for other agencies such as the CIA. What exactly goes on in Ft. Meade, Maryland, who knows?

I am not a particular fan of this treatment system that is discussed here but I ask where did this really come from and what is the point? It certainly could just be a bunch of random corrupt individuals or could be a conspiracy of this government or other countries as could be some drugs. I'm just yet another one of those inquiring minds who wants to know wtf has really been going on, that's all. There seems to be so much "Tease & Denial" going on in society, is there some underlying tactic behind this approach that it is being used as some blueprint for mass mind control (not just those of us that went through the rehabs either)?

The media is definitely a propagator. You're a kid and they show you all these pictures of Marilyn Monrow growing up and they convince you "be a good slave, work hard and get money then you'll get something like this".