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Psy is not a program survivor, just an idiot
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Unless the "abuse" was better than walking out onto the street, which suggests it wasn't really abuse.
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Again, walking out wasn't really an option and if what you're describing was accurate, I would say you would have a point. In any case, read the description in my signature of what Benchmark was like and come to your own conclusions of whether or not what some of the things they did were abusive. I never claimed Benchmark physically abused kids (apart from maybe the Benchmark "diet"). I was quite clear it was almost exclusively verbal and psychological, as was CEDU, it's progenitor. Synanon had a strict non-violence rule which CEDU inherited. That being said the verbal confrontation was harsh enough to convince people to confess and even believe in things they did not do and problems they objectively did not have. Clearly you do not understand how cults work. I'm sorry if you suffered abuse in a physically abusive program (I assume that's why you're so bitter), but to discount all other forms of abuse is a slap in the face to a good 70% of this forum's population. Consider yourself lucky that you didn't get convinced you had problems you didn't, and have to work that out later in life. Consider yourself lucky you weren't convinced by the program that you were a worthless less-than-human being who had no ability to live on his own. Consider yourself lucky you weren't beaten down that far, but don't dare judge if you were never there.
Again, if you want to know about the logistics of what went on, call me or use the search function. I've already explained it at least five times before (but I lost my bookmarks on my other machine).
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I do consider myself lucky, I never had to go to a program. But if I signed myself in after I turned 18 and then I got abused I would of walked out, I know that much. I'll read your link and maybe that will answer my questions, because as I understand it now I don't think comparing the choice of going to a program as an adult is on par with being forced to stay as a underage youth. It doesn't make sense to me why anybody would willingly stay and get abused when they could leave on their own whenever they wanted.
psy:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I do consider myself lucky, I never had to go to a program. But if I signed myself in after I turned 18 and then I got abused I would of walked out, I know that much.
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Read up on Margaret Singer's "Not Me Myth".
http://www.ideajournal.com/articles.php?id=12
More Is in her book, "Cults in our Midst".
If you were never there, you can't judge.
--- Quote ---I'll read your link and maybe that will answer my questions, because as I understand it now I don't think comparing the choice of going to a program as an adult is on par with being forced to stay as a underage youth. It doesn't make sense to me why anybody would willingly stay and get abused when they could leave on their own whenever they wanted.
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Then you have a lot to learn (though "willingly" is stretching it). Watch Over The GW, read up on the CEDU forum, ask questions. I'm sorry I don't have time to answer all of yours now. If I have time, maybe tomorrow i'll answer your questions on how, logistically, it was made difficult (nigh on impossible) to successfully emancipate without the program.
dishdutyfugitive:
Or sit back, relax and crack yourself open a tall glass of Liam...
Cedu Documentary Clip 4 - Raps
http://liamscheff.com/daily/2008/10/08/ ... ip-4-raps/
the Cedu Documentary. Students experience their first “Raps,” Cedu’s three-times-weekly, four-hour “attack therapy,” and based on the Synanon “Game.”
Anonymous:
Once you are brainwashed, you really don't have choices. Have you heard of Elizebeth Smart of Patty Hearst? Less famous is the prison warden's wife who after being abducted by an escaping felon...continued to live with him for 11 years, working in a chicken slaughterhouse
this is the story of colleen stam. she was abducted became so brainwashed she held down a job but returned to her captor every night. in court, her captor's defense team challeneged the "brainwashing" defense, claiming she was there volentarily, but she was victorius.
"Legally" brainwashing exists. And psy was brainwashed.
http://www.runshaw.ac.uk/groups/16-18%2 ... mind-4.pdf
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "psy" ---I've explained all this before. Use the search feature. I can't be arsed to look the shit up right now. If you have the balls, you can call me on my phone and we can discuss this at length (+1802 332 6472). I don't have time to type out a lengthy point by point response right now (especially one that i've already done).
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It's hard to argue against the truth. The facts remain, you signed yourself in as an adult. You could of signed yourself out at any time. If you had any balls, you would of walked out the minute you realized it wasn't a "boarding school".
Psy is not a troubled teen program survivor, just some adult who signed himself into unnecessary treatment. How utterly pathetic.
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That's not true, but again, if you want to discuss this at length, go ahead and call me number. Block your number if you feel like it. I'll still answer. If you're really interested in finding out exactly how they kept us at Benchmark after the age of 18 (logistically and otherwise), call me. Otherwise, if you're not interested in an explanation and are merely trying to upset me, good luck. I've heard it all before.
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How do you block a #?
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