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Psy is not a program survivor, just an idiot

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Anonymous:
If you went to a program by choice as an adult then you are not a program survivor. You are just an idiot who made a bad choice.

 Psy needs to stop claiming he is the victim of an evil industry when he is only the victim of his own decision.

The difference between being in a program as an adult than being a child is like the difference between night and day.

As an adult you can walk out of a program at any time. You can just sign yourself out. You can not be forced into a program, you have to sign yourself in. But then you can walk out at any time. As an adult you can move away from your parents house, you don't have to listen to them. The experience of programs as an adult is totally different than being underage.

As a underage youth you have no choice in the matter of going. Your parents can have you taken even if you don't want to go. You do not sign yourself in. You can not leave when you want. You are imprisoned in every way imaginable.

Going to a program as an adult, and as a youth are two completely different experiences. Psy is not a program survivor, he is just some 18 year old too afraid to go out on his own, following his parents wishes even though he didn't have to. Now psy is a smart enough fella, he will come here and confuse the issue and say he was forced but that's not true. As an adult who signed himself in he could of left at any time, and always knew that there was an out. He was just too afraid to leave and go on his own, that's why he stayed.  

I think the kids who go to programs as adults are idiots. They are scared, pathetic people desperate to please their parents, or too afraid to go do what they want instead of willingly becoming a program tool. I can understand the kids who sellout in the program who have no choice and cannot leave no matter what. But the ones who stayed willingly as adults, they were the worst example of self defeatism and chose to bend over and let the program fuck them even though they didn't have to. I have no respect for any one who willingly went to a program as an adult, and stayed even though they didn't have to. They are just like staff who stayed on at programs even after learning of how they really work. They are all just pathetic people too weak to do what's right.

Anonymous:
No, no, no. Psy suffered coercive persuasion thereby rendered helpless through induced mental illness. It’s not like he was addicted to drugs. People addicted to drugs need to accept personal responsibility for their actions. Psy’s choices will bw understood by through illness.

psy:
Let's address a few misconceptions here:

1. I signed myself into a program.  [false]  An educational consultant told my parents that what I was going to was a boarding school.  I signed myself into a boarding school.  Ask me what was advertised and what was delivered.  I wasn't the only one who felt the place was misrepresented in retrospect.  My parents and I were not getting along at the time (various reason which have been elaborated before).  I had no drug or alcohol problem and I wanted to go to a boarding school.  I did not want to go to a program and would not have signed myself in to such a place had I made the decision with fully informed consent.  I would never have consented to the mindfucking that went on there.  Wouldn't the price have alarmed me?  Well.  We knew it was expensive at the time but didn't think much of it other than "if it's that expensive, it must be good".  My dad's employer was paying so we didn't care much.

2. I could leave at any time. [false]  My only form of identification was taken from me.  I was not the only one that this was done to (as is evidenced by this video here)  If I was to leave the program would not allow me to take any of my property, clothing, food, etc.  There was nowhere to go and no homeless shelters in the area.  At the same time, they held the carrot on the stick of graduation and a high school diploma in front of me.  We were bashed down in group daily, forced to confess to "issues" we didn't have until we believed it, etc...  At the same time, they told us day after day that we could not make it without the program.  (they were right, due to practical concerns, but this enforced dependency and brainwashing did nothing to help things).  We were told that we had signed away our rights when we came to the program.  I was no lawyer, nor was anybody else, and we had no way of verifying this true or false.  Staff told us this was common practice at "treatment centers" (lol... but that's not what I signed up for).

I could go on and on, but if you weren't there, you are in no position to judge.  They had every angle covered and the place was just not very nice at all.  I know a guy who was in both PV and Benchmark and says that Benchmark was worse.  Similarly, I know a girl who was in SRA, SUWS, and Benchmark.  She says Benchmark was worse.  I know a guy who was in SLS and Benchmark.  He says Benchmark was worse.  I know a girl who was in RMA and Benchmark.  She says Benchmark was worse.  Now all these are subjective experiences, but I can't recall speaking to a single person who went to Benchmark and another program who said the other program was worse.  It just was not a nice place.  If you want to read more about it, check out the site in my sig.

I might also note that WWASP has over 18 programs as well, which are probably no picnic either.  What good are legal rights if the programs don't give a shit about any rights at all.  There is a world of difference between theory and practice, law and enforcement in programs.  The practice of over 18 programs is growing in popularity, apparently, as they're figuring out ways to make more money.  Another over 18 program just got into trouble with the law too:

viewtopic.php?f=49&t=25961&p=317935#p317932

They denied rights, etc... too.

And sure, maybe I didn't get the worst of things, but I saw others who got treated worse, and many of the kids had been in programs for almost their entire teen years.  Got any compassion for them?

Anonymous:

--- Quote from: "Guest" ---No, no, no. Psy suffered coercive persuasion thereby rendered helpless through induced mental illness. It’s not like he was addicted to drugs. People addicted to drugs need to accept personal responsibility for their actions. Psy’s choices will bw understood by through illness.
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Brainwashing (coercive persuasion) is not a mental illness.  It's an induced psychological state.  What you're attempting to argue is not a good defense for the disease concept.  And no, Brainwashing does not absolve a person from personal responsibility for their actions (unless you want to excuse staff for everything they did... need I remind you how many programs recruit from within, or from other programs).  It helps explain things, yes, but "it's not my fault, I was brainwashed" is not an excuse either.  In Nazi Germany, many of the Nazis were more or less brainwashed from birth and raised in the Nazi Youth (watch that video).  Does that mean that the brainwashing excused them from their actions?  No (though it helps explain them).

Anonymous:

--- Quote from: "S A T A N" ---
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---No, no, no. Psy suffered coercive persuasion thereby rendered helpless through induced mental illness. It’s not like he was addicted to drugs. People addicted to drugs need to accept personal responsibility for their actions. Psy’s choices will bw understood by through illness.
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Brainwashing (coercive persuasion) is not a mental illness.  It's an induced psychological state.  What you're attempting to argue is not a good defense for the disease concept.  And no, Brainwashing does not absolve a person from personal responsibility for their actions (unless you want to excuse staff for everything they did... need I remind you how many programs recruit from within, or from other programs).  It helps explain things, yes, but "it's not my fault, I was brainwashed" is not an excuse either.  In Nazi Germany, many of the Nazis were more or less brainwashed from birth and raised in the Nazi Youth (watch that video).  Does that mean that the brainwashing excused them from their actions?  No (though it helps explain them).
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not getting involved in this "disease argment" (not sure what you guys are talking about) but Nazis weren't "brainwashed." Educate yourself on the difference between propaganda, indoctrination, and thought reform.

The state of being "brainwashed" is an experience of mental illness. It's an induced, negative "rewiring" of the brain. Long term follow-up of brainwashing victims in Canada found that they were permentanly "grossly disabled" and childlike. I'm not sure how you are differenciating between Mental illness and psychological state. It's lingering effects had an explicit catagory in the DSM and has a less explicit one now.
Staff aren't "brainwashed", unless they were kids who had been victimized themselves by a gulag at an earlier time. Your program may not have practised "brainwashing," so i can't say what your experience of the staff's guilt level would be.

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