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Friggin Pharma
« on: January 10, 2009, 06:47:17 PM »
http://http://projects.publicintegrity.org/rx/report.aspx?aid=985

A Record Year for the Pharmaceutical Lobby in '07
Washington's largest lobby racks up another banner year on Capitol Hill

By M. Asif Ismail
Data analysis by Helena Bengtsson

Washington, June 24, 2008 – Washington's largest lobby, the pharmaceutical industry, racked up another banner year on Capitol Hill in 2007, backed by a record $168 million lobbying effort, according to a Center for Public Integrity analysis of federal lobbying data. Among the industry's successes: getting two controversial laws extended and thwarting congressional efforts to restrict media ads for prescription drugs.

The spending represents a 32 percent jump over 2006. Driven in part by a busy legislative calendar dominated by issues critical to the industry, the effort raised the amount spent by drug interests on federal lobbying in the past decade to more than $1 billion. Pharmaceutical, medical device, and other health product manufacturers, together, spent more than $189 million on lobbying last year, another record and nearly three times the $67 million they spent in 1998, the first full year for which complete records and totals are available.

More than 90 percent of the total was spent by 40 companies and three trade groups: the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), the Biotechnology Industry Organization, and the Advanced Medical Technology Association.

The spending binge last year may have also been fueled by the previous November's Democratic takeover of Congress. After the Democratic sweep of the House of Representatives, several long-standing critics of the industry, such as Representative Henry Waxman of California, assumed leadership roles of powerful committees. Intent on closer oversight of the industry, they conducted a series of hearings on issues such as drug safety, pharmaceutical pricing, and availability of generic medicines. Waxman and some fellow Democrats also tried to give more regulatory power to the Food and Drug Administration and revisit the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act, a law that came into being in 2003 after heavy industry lobbying. The legislation, which resulted in the largest overhaul of Medicare in its history, provides prescription drug coverage through the program.

"After the Democratic victory in November 2006, [the industry] had to scramble," says Ira Loss, a pharmaceutical analyst with Washington Analysis Corporation. "They had to hire more Democratic lobbyists." Ken Johnson, senior vice president of communications at PhRMA, acknowledged that the industry faced "a difficult political environment." But he maintained that PhRMA doesn't see having a Democratic Congress as a disadvantage. "We don't look at it through the prism of Democrats and Republicans. We look at it in terms of those who support free market policies and those who don't."

A review of campaign contributions reveals that the industry has dramatically increased donations to the Democrats since their victory in November 2006. In the current election cycle so far, for the first time on record, the pharmaceutical and health products industry has given slightly more money to Democrats than Republicans, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. In the 2006 cycle, Democrats received only 31 percent of the contributions from the industry, while the Republicans received 67 percent.

More than $6.8 million of the $14.4 million the pharmaceutical and health product industry gave in contributions went to members of three committees that regulate the industry: the House Committee on Energy and Commerce, House Committee on Ways and Means, and Senate Committee on Health, Education, and Labor.

As in previous years, the trade group PhRMA led the drug industry in lobbying, spending close to $23 million in 2007, a 26 percent jump over 2006. Among drug companies, Amgen Inc., a biomedical firm based in Thousand Oaks, California, led by spending more than $16.2 million, and Pfizer, the world's largest pharmaceutical company, notched second with $13.8 million. Other big spenders last year included Roche Holding AG ($9 million), Sanofi-Aventis ($8.4 million), GlaxoSmithKline ($8.2 million), Johnson & Johnson Inc. ($7.7 million) and the trade group Biotechnology Industry Organization ($7.2 million).

The Industry Agenda

Lobbying disclosure reports filed with Congress reveal that pharmaceutical interests lobbied on an array of issues. Among the industry's top achievements:

    * blocking the importation of inexpensive drugs from other countries;
    * protecting pharmaceutical patents both within the United States and abroad; and
    * ensuring greater market access for pharmaceutical companies in international free trade agreements.

Apart from these subjects, which have become "bread and butter" issues for the industry in recent years, lobbyists focused on a handful of legislation. One such law they pushed forcefully was the reauthorization and expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program, or SCHIP, a federal plan that provides insurance to children. "They lobbied very hard for SCHIP," says analyst Loss. "More children insured means using more drugs." The industry had pressed to reauthorize the program for five years and expand it to cover an additional 4 million children — at a cost of $35 billion in new funding. In a rare defeat for the industry, the measures were vetoed by President Bush, who in December extended the current program for 18 months.

The industry had better luck with two other laws it lobbied robustly to extend, the Prescription Drug User Fee Act and the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act. Both were reauthorized in the Food and Drug Administration Amendment Act of 2007, which became law last September. The User Fee Act was enacted in 1992 in response to complaints from drug companies and patients rights advocates about long lags in drug approval. It allows the FDA to collect funds — so-called "user fees" — from the industry to employ additional drug reviewers and bring medicines faster to the market.

The law's supporters point out that, since it was enacted, the average drug review time has considerably shortened. "In my opinion, that law has worked very well," says Washington Analysis's Loss. A September 2002 study by the U.S. General Accounting Office (now the Government Accountability Office) stated that "the median approval time for new drug applications for standard drugs dropped from 27 months to 14 months" from 1993 to 2001.

But critics contend that the emphasis on faster approval time has resulted in a watering down of safety issues. The same GAO study also found that "a higher percentage of drugs has been withdrawn from the market for safety-related reasons since PDUFA's enactment than prior to the law's enactment." The FDA disagreed with that conclusion, but critics argue that the User Fee Act creates a built-in conflict-of-interest by making the FDA dependent on the industry it regulates for budgetary resources. "The FDA should be "completely funded by the taxpayers," says Melody Petersen, author of the book Our Daily Meds. "With the user fee, the FDA has two customers — us and the drug industry."

This much is clear: The FDA's reliance on user fees has increased markedly over the years, rising 17-fold since 1993. According to the 2009 budget request, the agency is slated to collect $628 million in user fees, an increase of $79 million from this year and more than a quarter of the agency's overall budget of $2.4 billion.

Another lobbying target was extension of the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act, a law designed to give the industry incentive for testing medicines in children by granting additional patent protection for six months. According to the agency's website, labels of 148 drugs have been changed to include the findings of pediatric tests. First enacted in 1997, the law has allowed companies to reap windfall profits while delaying the entry of low-cost generic drugs. A joint investigation by the Center and HDNet's Dan Rather Reports last year found that half of the top 20 blockbuster drugs in 2006 were given six month extensions under this law. Included were drugs not usually associated with children's health, among them two top-selling anti-cholesterol drugs, Pfizer's Lipitor and Merck's Zocor, and Sanofi-Aventis's popular sleep inducer Ambien.

Last year, some lawmakers tried to trim the windfall. Three Senate bills would have capped the additional time given to protect a company's patent, depending on how lucrative the drug was. Drugs projected to earn more than $1 billion per year would get three months — not six — of market exclusivity. The Senate passed one of these bills, but the House took no action on it. When another bill did clear both houses, the industry managed to get the exclusivity provision reauthorized without significant changes, just as it had with the User Fee legislation.

Drug companies also fought to keep Congress from limiting advertising aimed directly at the public. Consumers are hit with a daily barrage of ads for prescription drugs, targeting every condition from depression to erectile dysfunction. Industry spending on these so-called direct-to-consumer ads has jumped more than 20-fold in the past decade, helping push prescription drug sales to a record $286.5 billion last year, according to IMS Health, a consulting firm. Consumer groups have long complained that the ads have led to widespread over-prescribing of drugs.

Last June, Representative Pete Stark, an industry critic, tried to reign in the direct ads, but ran into the pharmaceutical industry's powerful lobby. The law he introduced, the Fair Balance Prescription Drug Advertisement Act of 2007, never came out of committee. The industry argued that the ads help inform patients of potential diseases and encourage people to seek treatment at an early stage. But critics were not appeased. "All you have to do is watch the ads," says author Petersen. "It is not about educating the public. It is about selling drugs."

Michael Pell, Tuan Le and Mary Beth Lombardo contributed to the story.
Funding for this report was provided by the Nathan Cummings Foundation.
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Re: Friggin Pharma
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2009, 07:26:34 PM »
Great post.

The term "Free Market" is becoming an ugly phrase. It seems that free market just means to be able to buy the laws that you want by paying off politicians. Free market is now a synonym for corporate greed.

* blocking the importation of inexpensive drugs from other countries

How is that a free market? Sounds more like a restricted market to me.

Further proof that the "war on drugs" is a war on the poor.

And the pushing of experimental drugs on children is probably the worst part of all of this. They might as well be on LSD or Meth.
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2009, 03:00:08 AM »
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Economists Against the FDA
September 1, 2000
Daniel B. Klein
NewsMax.com

A sulfa drug called Elixir Sulfanilamide released in 1937 killed over 100 Americans, mostly children. A sedative called Thalidomide released in Europe in 1957 and taken by pregnant women caused deformities in 10,000 children. These famous episodes strike us as horrible injustices that must be prevented.

But more deadly are quack platitudes that guide public policy. Platitudes such as “safety,” “consumer protection,” and “imperfect information” have paved the way for a government stranglehold on the pharmaceutical industry. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) decides whether to permit a company to manufacture and sell a drug or medical device and what the company may say about it.

In medical matters, expertise and good sense should decide. In policy matters, expertise and good sense also should decide—but they do not. The issue here is one of economic policy, not medicine. The true “doctors” for drug policy are the political economists. But as economist John Calfee says, “the FDA has never sought to accumulate expertise in economics.”1 Quacks make policy against the doctors’ orders.

Many economists have studied the FDA. Their diagnosis is well expressed by Nobel-winning economist Milton Friedman: “The FDA has done enormous harm to the health of the American public by greatly increasing the costs of pharmaceutical research, thereby reducing the supply of new and effective drugs, and by delaying the approval of such drugs as survive the tortuous FDA process.”2 Other economists’ prescriptions regarding the FDA are uniformly libertarian, ranging from gradual decontrol to outright abolition of the agency (as Friedman recommends). Although one can occasionally find remarks by economists vaguely favoring government restrictions on health products, those are not the economists who have written on the FDA or provided serious argumentation.3 I have tried to survey all economists’ writings on the FDA and have not been able to find a single instance of an economist defending the contemporary FDA or advocating tighter restrictions. Contrary to the joke about laying all the economists end to end, those who study the issue do reach a conclusion: Relax restrictions on drugs and devices.

But the good policy doctors are largely ignored. The result has been like a plague. Yet the journalists and educators have not explained it or its FDA origins. Economists and libertarians are up against a Goliath—the country’s entire quack political culture.

Today men with risk of heart trouble know to take half an aspirin a day. By 1988 it was well established that aspirin greatly reduces the risk of myocardial occlusion. But for years the FDA forbade aspirin makers from advertising that fact (the FDA still significantly restricts advertising about it). The FDA surely killed tens, and quite possibly hundreds, of thousands of Americans by this restriction alone.4

The FDA delays, stifles, and suppresses life-saving drugs and devices. Such drugs and devices as Practolol, Interleukin-2, Taxotere, Vasoseal, Ancrod, Glucophage, Navelbine, Lamictal, Ethyol, Photofrin, Rilutek, Citicoline, Panorex, Femara, Prostar, Omnicath, and Transform have been subject to long delays, killing tens of thousands and causing awful suffering.5

The drug delays we can list, taken together, are just the tip of the iceberg. A 1987 study catalogued 192 generic and 1,535 brand-name tested drugs available abroad but not approved in the United States. Of the drugs approved by the FDA between 1987 and 1993, fully 73 percent had already been approved abroad.6 And because the FDA process is so expensive, so protracted, and so uncertain, thousands of untold drugs are never discovered or developed. It is impossible to estimate the suffering and death caused, but surely it greatly exceeds 50,000 premature deaths annually.

Here one might object, “But isn’t your diagnosis one-sided? Doesn’t the FDA screen out unsafe drugs?”

Quality and Safety Assurance Without the FDA

First of all, “safety” is not a yes-or-no issue. Is chemotherapy safe? Medicine is often poison. The safety of a drug depends on myriad particulars about the patient: age, physical strength and condition, attitude and spirit, activities, allergies, diet, dosage, medical attention, and drug regimen. In 1994 adverse reactions to FDA-approved drugs killed 106,000 hospital patients.7 Inevitably, many people will suffer and die from unwanted side effects. (In 1998, about 130 people died while on Viagra; speculation continues overwhether these deaths are to be attributed to side effects of the drug or excitement “under the influence.”)

That said, I am prepared to grant that few FDA-approved drugs are flagrantly unsafe. But here’s the important point: Drug safety would be—and is—certified and assured by a panoply of private-sector, voluntary institutions and by the tort system. When a company harms consumers with an unsafe drug, it suffers devastating losses. Its reputation suffers, and it pays hefty damages to victims. In deciding which drugs to use, consumers seek various assurances by:

      • Asking the doctor which drug to take;

      • Choosing doctors affiliated with health organizations (such as hospitals, clinics, medical groups, and insurers);

      • Buying drugs of brand-name manufacturers;

      • Buying drugs from reputable pharmacies and supermarkets;

      • Being an “active patient” by researching therapies in libraries and on the Internet (at encyclopedic drug databases, such as the WebMD or onHealth Web sites).

Meanwhile, our providers and agents seek assurances in more professional ways—mysterious to us, but not to those involved:

      • Drug review by medical insurers;

      • Seal of approval or evaluations by independent organizations (ECRI, American Hospital Formulary Service Drug Information, US Pharmacopoeia);

      • Professional newsletters (Clinica, Health Devices Alert, The Medical Letter)

      • Scientific testing and publishing (The New England Journal of Medicine, and others).

Ultimately, the whole enterprise of medical science is about safety and efficacy! Malpractice or negligence is a professional scandal for the private organizations involved. They work hard to avoid blights to their reputation, quite apart from the FDA. Consumers desire not only quality and safety but also assurance of quality and safety. The quality of the thing offered may be excellent, but if consumers lack confidence about that quality, they abstain from buying. Confidence comes by way of meaningful assurances of quality, so entrepreneurs have incentives to provide that assurance.8

Quality and Safety Assurance Without the FDA: Four Proofs

Although some might tell you otherwise, voluntary society (plus the tort system) can provide assurance at least as well as government intervention can. Here are four empirical proofs of the claim.

Assurance in Other Industries. How is safety assured in other industries? In electronics, manufacturers submit products to Underwriters’ Laboratories, a private organization that grants its safety mark to products that pass its inspection. The process is voluntary: manufacturers may sell without the UL mark. But retailers and distributors usually prefer the products with it.

Suppose someone proposed a new government agency that forbade manufacturers from making any electronic product until approved by the agency. We would think the proposal to be totalitarianand crazy. But that is the system we have in drugs. It is inconsistent to favor the free-enterprise approach to assurance in electronics but the totalitarian approach in drugs. Sometimes people rejoin: “You can’t compare drugs to a toaster! Drugs have much larger effects on our physical well-being.” The point, however, cuts both ways. Because drugs are so important, the downside of government restrictions is enormous—as we have seen.

Calamity Before 1962? The FDA was much less powerful before 1962. The historical record-decades of a relatively free market up to 1962—shows that free-market institutions and the tort system succeeded in keeping unsafe drugs to a minimum. The Elixir Sulfanilamide tragedy (107 killed) was the worst in those decades.9 (Thalidomide was never approved for sale in the United States.) The economists Sam Peltzman and Dale Gieringer have made the grisly comparison: the victims of Sulfanilamide and other small tragedies prior to 1962 are insignificant compared to the death toll of the post-1962 FDA.10

Were They Dropping Like Flies in Europe? Most countries have their own counterparts to the FDA. But other countries approve drugs quicker. From about 1970 to 1993 the approval times for drugs and devices in the United Kingdom, France, Spain, and Germany was significantly shorter than in the United States.11 As we have noted, delays mean morbidity for patients. Although FDA drug approval times have improved and are now similar to those in Europe, the prior period of U.S. “drug lag” suggests a lesson about drug approval.12

The European agencies took less time to approve new drugs, but such laxness did not produce a scourge of unsafe drugs. As researchers of the Tufts Center for the Study of Drug Development write: “the probability that a marketed drug will be removed for safety reasons was not appreciably greater in the United Kingdom than in the United States.”13 Lighter approval requirements did not lead to any noticeable problem. One explanation would be that the European agencies function more effectively (and there is reason to believe this). Yet I am inclined to think that in both Europeand the United States the government approval process, as a means of assuring safety, is superfluous.

Even without government approval, voluntary institutions and the tort system would use scientific testing and professional certification to screen out unsafe drugs. The government approval process here and abroad is a set of bureaucratic hoops and hurdles often inappropriate or unnecessary for the drugs in question.

The Hidden Lesson in Off-Label Prescribing: Proof that we don’t need FDA approval of drugs can even be found in America today. A drug’s FDA-approved uses are called its “on-label” uses. Once a drug is approved for any use, it may be used in any way doctors and users see fit. Approved drugs are often found to have other benefits, and doctors learn to prescribe those drugs for such “off-label” uses. Although off-label uses have absolutely no standing with or approval by the FDA, they are perfectly legal. Do patients and doctors shrink in fear from uses not certified by the FDA?

Absolutely not! Off-label prescribing is pervasive and vital to the health of millions of Americans. As economist Alexander Tabarrok says, “most hospital patients are given drugs which are not FDA-approved for the prescribed use.”14 Off-label prescriptions are especially common for AIDS, cancer, and pediatric patients, but are standard practice throughout medicine.

Doctors learn of off-label uses from extensive medical research, testing, newsletters, conferences, seminars, Internet sources, and trusted colleagues. Scientists and doctors, working through professional associations and organizations, make official determinations of “best practice” and certify off-label uses in standard reference compendia such as AMA Drug Evaluations, American Hospital Formulary Service Drug Information, and US Pharmacopoeia Drug Information—all without FDA meddling or restriction. Economist J. Howard Beales finds that off-label uses that later got FDA recognition appeared in the Pharmacopoeia on average 2.5 years earlier.15 Where voluntary society finds room to stand, its practices lead, not follow, government determinations.

No one would be foolish enough to suggest that the FDA prohibit off-label prescribing. But as Tabarrok astutely points out, there is a logical inconsistency in allowing off-label prescribing and requiring proof of efficacy for the drug’s initial use. Logical consistency would require that one either oppose off-label uses and favor initial proof of efficacy, or favor off-label prescribing and oppose initial proof-of-efficacy. Experience recommends the second option. Efficacy requirements should be dropped altogether!

Quackery Often Prevails

A drug may be developed, tested, and found to save lives. But the FDA will prevent Eli Lilly, Rite Aid, and Kaiser Permanente from making the drug available until it has gone through the tortuous and expensive approval process. That might take ten years. It might take forever if the drug is for a rare disease (and hence a small market). Because voluntary society would accomplish anything that the FDA accomplishes, the harms of the FDA are unredeemed.

Economists from Adam Smith to Milton Friedman have had the unenviable task of pointing out that popular, well-intentioned cures are often worse than the disease. Economists seem nasty when they report that the FDA is bad medicine. People don’t like to hear that they have bought into quackery. In collective decision-making, quackery often prevails over sense.


Notes:

1. John E. Calfee, “The Leverage Principle in the FDA’s Regulation of Information,” in Competitive Strategies in the Pharmaceutical Industry, ed. R. B. Helms (Washington D.C.: American Enterprise Institute, 1996), pp. 306–21.

2. Quoted in Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw, Freedom of Informed Choice: FDA Versus Nutrient Supplements (Neptune, N.J.: Common Sense Press, 1993), p. 39.

3. Economists making passing remarks vaguely favoring government restrictions on health products include Jerome Rothenberg, “Social Strategy and the Tactics in the Search for Safety,” Critical Review, Spring/Summer 1993, pp. 159–80, especially pp. 166, 172, and Paul Krugman, “Natural Born Killers,” New York Times, March 22, 2000.

4. Alison Keith, “Regulating Information about Aspirin and the Prevention of Heart Attack,” American Economic Review, May 1995, pp. 96–99.

5. A chief source of information about drug development and approval is the Tufts Center for the Study of Drug Development. Its information is often mined and analyzed from a libertarian perspective by researchers at the Competitive Enterprise Institute (see both organizations online).

6. Kenneth Anderson and Lois Anderson, eds., Orphan Drugs (Los Angeles: The Body Press, 1987). Henry I. Miller, “Failed FDA Reform,” Regulation, 3, 1998, p. 24.

7. Jason Lazarou et al., “Incidence of Adverse Drug Reactions in Hospitalized Patients,” Journal of the American Medical Association, April 15, 1998, pp. 1200–05.

8. See Daniel B. Klein, Assurance and Trust in a Great Society, Foundation for Economic Education Occasional Paper no. 2, 2000.

9. Dale H. Gieringer, “The Safety and Efficacy of New Drug Approval,” Cato Journal, Spring/Summer 1985, pp. 177–201, provides a table of cases worldwide, 1950–80, with at least 100 casualties from an unsafe new drug (p. 192). There are none listed for the United States from 1950 to 1962.

10. Gieringer; Sam Peltzman, “The Benefits and Costs of New Drug Regulation,” in Regulating New Drugs, ed. Richard L. Landau (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1973), pp. 114–211.

11. Kenneth I. Kaitin and Jeffrey S. Brown, “A Drug Lag Update,” Drug Information Journal, 29, 1995, pp. 361–73; Robert Higgs, “How FDA is Causing a Technological Exodus: A Comparative Analysis of Medical Device Regulation: United States, Europe, Canada, and Japan,” Competitive Enterprise Institute, March 1995.

12. Elaine M. Healy and Kenneth Kaitin, “The European Agency for the Evaluation of Medicinal Product’s Centralized Procedure for Product Approval: Current Status,” Drug Information Journal, 33, 1999, pp. 969–78. It should be noted that approval is but the last stage in the development of a drug, and the FDA reaches far back into the clinical-testing stages of drug development. Therefore, looking only at approval times does not give a complete picture of whether the FDA now keeps pace with its European counterparts. Historically drug development has taken longer in the United States. Whether the “drug lag” in this broader and fuller sense is diminishing is not yet established.

13. Quoted in Kaitin and Brown, pp. 370–71.

14. Alexander Tabarrok, “Assessing the FDA via the Anomaly of Off-Label Drug Prescribing,” The Independent Review, Summer 2000, pp. 25–53.

15. J. Howard Beales III, “New Uses for Old Drugs,” in Helms, pp. 281–305.
Daniel B. Klein is a Research Fellow at The Independent Institute, and Professor of Economics at George Mason University, and a contributing author to the book, The Voluntary City: Choice, Community and Civil Society. This article is reprinted with permission from The Freeman, September 2000. ? Copyright 2000, the Foundation for Economic Education.    

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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2009, 11:01:56 AM »
From: Economists Against the FDA, by Daniel B. Klein. September 1, 2000, NewsMax.com
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But more deadly are quack platitudes that guide public policy. Platitudes such as "safety," "consumer protection," and "imperfect information" have paved the way for a government stranglehold on the pharmaceutical industry. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) decides whether to permit a company to manufacture and sell a drug or medical device and what the company may say about it.

Daniel B. Klein of the "Independent" Institute has got it backwards. It isn't the government which has a "stranglehold on the pharmaceutical industry," it is Big Pharma which has a stranglehold on government.

Btw, Daniel B. Klein also believes the pharmaceutical industry should be able to promote and advertise off-label usage of pharmaceuticals, citing, as always, the by-now flogged-to-death example of aspirin's benefits in staving off heart attacks. Notably absent from much, if not all, of his proselytizing for restriction-free advertising and marketing is any mention whatsoever of one of the largest growing sectors of off-label usage, namely, the prescribing of adult psychiatric medications for children, not to mention the additional "quackery" (to use his term right back at him) of mixing multiple pharmaceuticals prescribed per child (which has not even been adequately researched in adults).

In a related article on the same website, Klein claims that a sufficient check on wanton marketing transgressions by Big Pharma is safely in the hands of the prescribers, since "doctors' concerns for market reputation, professional esteem, avoidance of lawsuits, and basic human morality all push in the healthy direction." Excuse me? How many of these same doctors get kickbacks from the industry?

Klein goes on to state that "shady promotional tactics tend to be exposed by public officials, consumer groups, professional groups, and competitors." The last time I checked, "public officials" tend to fall under the rubric of "government." I guess he just doesn't like BIG government, that is, big enough to potentially cut into Big Pharma's profit margin!

And when is the last time any viable consumer group concerned itself with the efficacy and safety of medication intended to cure and/or ameliorate the effects of a disease that only a small proportion of the populace is likely or predisposed to suffer from? Or, for that matter, that an unpopular portion of the population may suffer from?

And as far as competitors are concerned? Pahleez...the world population is large enough for every slice of the international corporate pie to fleece its own particular niche. Do you honestly believe that cabal is going to police itself?

This "Independent" Institute, a so-called libertarian think tank, appears to be little more than an apologist for the interests of multinational corporations...at the expense of the relatively powerless average individual citizen.
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2009, 12:59:27 PM »
Both sides have some very good points, but what about a sort of hybrid approach, where the FDA could still approve drugs and make recommendations, but the ultimate choice would still be in the hands of the consumer?

Ursus does have a very valid point about doctors getting kickbacks.  That relationship should either be fully disclosed to patients or considered a form of fraud (and for enforcement, doctors would have to disclose their financial records to a regulatory agency on a regular basis)...  Same way I feel about educational consulting.  While Antigen has a point that patients should be able to go to somebody they trust to get advice on what to put in their bodies... who exactly do you trust, and should you have to?  I appreciate a "buyer beware" perspective, but nobody is invulnerable from a con.  Should the sole responsibility should rest on a patient for getting conned by a doctor on the take?  Allowing that would more or less declare open season on consumers.

Of course you could argue that consumers should always beware and yes, they are responsible for what they put in their bodies...  but would that really work?  Could consumers stop relying on government to be their nannies, or will they always want that safety net, even if it restricts their freedom.  Would it be possible to create a skeptical society that researches stuff before they stuff it down or up their various orifices?  On one hand, I have little compassion for morons who take experimental drugs then whine they grew a third leg, but on the other hand, do I really want to do research on everything my doctor prescribes me?  That's why I think the FDA could be "de-fanged" and yet still have an advisory role.  Consumers could check with the FDA website to see if a drug is approved after it is prescribed to them (or the drug itself could contain the notice).  Consumers could also rate their doctors online to warn other consumers if they are crooked...  There are ways it could work.  Ultimately, in order to end the drug war, the FDA would have to be de-fanged.
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Both sides have some very good points, but what about a sort of hybrid approach, where the FDA could still approve drugs and make recommendations, but the ultimate choice would still be in the hands of the consumer?

Ursus does have a very valid point about doctors getting kickbacks.  That relationship should either be fully disclosed to patients or considered a form of fraud (and for enforcement, doctors would have to disclose their financial records to a regulatory agency on a regular basis)...  Same way I feel about educational consulting.  While Antigen has a point that patients should be able to go to somebody they trust to get advice on what to put in their bodies... who exactly do you trust, and should you have to?  I appreciate a "buyer beware" perspective, but nobody is invulnerable from a con.  Should the sole responsibility should rest on a patient for getting conned by a doctor on the take?  Allowing that would more or less declare open season on consumers.

Of course you could argue that consumers should always beware and yes, they are responsible for what they put in their bodies...  but would that really work?  Could consumers stop relying on government to be their nannies, or will they always want that safety net, even if it restricts their freedom.  Would it be possible to create a skeptical society that researches stuff before they stuff it down or up their various orifices?  On one hand, I have little compassion for morons who take experimental drugs then whine they grew a third leg, but on the other hand, do I really want to do research on everything my doctor prescribes me?  That's why I think the FDA could be "de-fanged" and yet still have an advisory role.  Consumers could check with the FDA website to see if a drug is approved after it is prescribed to them (or the drug itself could contain the notice).  Consumers could also rate their doctors online to warn other consumers if they are crooked...  There are ways it could work.  Ultimately, in order to end the drug war, the FDA would have to be de-fanged.
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Re: Friggin Pharma
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2009, 01:39:05 PM »
The FDA is already more or less defanged and in the back pocket of Big Pharma. Multinational corporations already have a stranglehold on the U.S. government, which is partially, if not primarily, why we are currently in such an economic crisis. If you think gutting what little clout the FDA still has is going to make any difference in ending the Drug War in your lifetime, you are sadly mistaken.

Look. There is a huge difference between some individual who considers themselves libertarian because they resent Big Brother meddling too much in their private affairs, and a libertarian think tank whose primary modus operandi is to put out misleading and obfuscating tracts to sucker folks who don't put 2 plus 2 together. Daniel B. Klein and the "Independent" Institute would have you believe that answer is five.

On exactly whose behalf do you think the "Independent" Institute, the Foundation for Economic Education (who has the copyright on that paper Antigen posted), or the Cato Institute (closely aligned, with many individuals having associations in common) is working?

Do you honestly believe, for even half a second, that they are the least bit concerned about that individual who wants to smoke pot on his back porch without worrying about some self-righteous neighbor turning him in? These conservative think tanks are working to loosen the tethers that still barely inhibit multinational corporations from getting even larger and more powerful. They are but tangentially interested in addressing the rights of individuals.
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Re: Friggin Pharma
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2009, 07:30:21 PM »
Ursus, FDA is not defanged. It's just been bought, broken and trained by the highest bidder. Government regulation of an industry only rakes influence of that industry into a nice tidy heap for easy auction. Of course the highest bidder is the Pharma industry. There's always a buyer.  That's pretty much how it always goes.

Yeah, I think CATO and other libertarian think tanks and projects are on our side in this.
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Re: Friggin Pharma
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2009, 02:04:33 AM »
Quote from: "Ursus"
The FDA is already more or less defanged and in the back pocket of Big Pharma. Multinational corporations already have a stranglehold on the U.S. government, which is partially, if not primarily, why we are currently in such an economic crisis. If you think gutting what little clout the FDA still has is going to make any difference in ending the Drug War in your lifetime, you are sadly mistaken.

Look. There is a huge difference between some individual who considers themselves libertarian because they resent Big Brother meddling too much in their private affairs, and a libertarian think tank whose primary modus operandi is to put out misleading and obfuscating tracts to sucker folks who don't put 2 plus 2 together. Daniel B. Klein and the "Independent" Institute would have you believe that answer is five.

On exactly whose behalf do you think the "Independent" Institute, the Foundation for Economic Education (who has the copyright on that paper Antigen posted), or the Cato Institute (closely aligned, with many individuals having associations in common) is working?

Do you honestly believe, for even half a second, that they are the least bit concerned about that individual who wants to smoke pot on his back porch without worrying about some self-righteous neighbor turning him in? These conservative think tanks are working to loosen the tethers that still barely inhibit multinational corporations from getting even larger and more powerful. They are but tangentially interested in addressing the rights of individuals.

Thank you for the sense. People, its not the FDA keeping drugs ilegal...that's an interesting fantasy, though.
The "libertarian" think tanks are set up by mega-corp trying to figure out ways to get regulars to support policies that obviously screw them...sigh..they're quite effective.
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