Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Trails Carolina - new program
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---I should stress that this is technically NOT an Aspen program. Several of the staff including the founder previously worked at SUWS, as well as other Aspen programs, for many years. Perhaps the thread should be moved?
--- End quote ---
What do you mean by technically not an Aspen Program? It is either an Aspen program or it isn’t. Why do you blur facts all the time Ursus? Why not just be honest with the readers and say : This is not an Aspen Program.
If you look at almost any start up company the employees are going to have experience and roots in the industry they are starting up. If you were going to hire someone you would want people who had experience in the industry whether it be a restaurant, repair shop or insurance Company. It surprises me that you don’t see this. How many businesses, that you know of, are started up by people who have absolutely no previous work experience in the business they are in? and hire employees who have never worked in that said industry?
Think about it.
--- End quote ---
Geeezzz. A lil bit cranky tonight, eh?
I pointed out that Trails Carolina did not identify itself to be an Aspen program with the very first sentence in this here thread. You must not have read it. Here it is again, bold emphasis added:
Trails Carolina does not identify itself specifically as Aspen; however, pretty much everyone there that has noted previous TTI affiliations appears to have spent some time at SUWS of the Carolinas.[/list]
I think it's pretty safe to say that most of these folks did get a substantial portion of their training and experience with Aspen Ed, however. And that might very well say something 'bout Aspen Ed's training and their priorities. Or not, depending on your POV. :D
--- End quote ---
Look Ursus, you are not being direct with the readers. In the last post you said : I should stress that this is technically NOT an Aspen program.
If you look at the Aspen site they do not list Trails Carolina as an Aspen Program. Maybe this is not a big deal to you, but it shows that you tend to mislead the readers here on fornits. I think it is important to be factual and clear if you want to be perceived as credible. You post enough here on fornits to know better.
You also have a tendency to mislead readers into believing that if a program hires an employee that previously worked for "say" a CEDU program then the program must be CEDU based in their model. If you pick any industry at random you will see that the employees move from one company to another (within the industry) because thats what their profession is. Each employee needs to be trained and brought up to speed with the new companies policies and the way they do their business (not vise versa). I suspect that you know this but like to lead the readers the other way but I may be wrong on your intent.
The people that left SUWS of the Carolinas (in most probability) wanted to start their own program because they had newer and better ideas then they thought Aspen did. People dont leave and start clones and expect to succeed against a giant industry.
I think you know all of this, Ursus, but pretend otherwise to mislead people into believing there is a conspiracy of some type but it doesn't come across as being genuine as you would hope it to be. Why not just put the facts up and discuss them honestly? If the places are corrupt or abusive the facts will prove them that way eventually.
--- End quote ---
Quoted for sheer <face palm> effects.
Think ya might have been able to get a few more paragraphs into that rant?
I do not try to mislead readers; you know this. You also know, as does pretty much everyone that has read more than five of my posts, that I *DO* seek out the ideological roots where individual programs, as well as the folk who run and work at them, originate. This is nothing new.
Whether ya agree with me or not, is immaterial to me. Origins and history are of interest to me. 'Nuff said.
You are creating a manifesto out of a non-issue.
Pile of Dead Kids:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---You are creating a manifesto out of a non-issue.
--- End quote ---
And you're arguing with a troll.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Quoted for sheer <face palm> effects.
Think ya might have been able to get a few more paragraphs into that rant?
I do not try to mislead readers; you know this. You also know, as does pretty much everyone that has read more than five of my posts, that I *DO* seek out the ideological roots where individual programs, as well as the folk who run and work at them, originate. This is nothing new.
Whether ya agree with me or not, is immaterial to me. Origins and history are of interest to me. 'Nuff said.
You are creating a manifesto out of a non-issue.
--- End quote ---
I know you always had a thing for origins and history and that’s cool. But, in the past, this always was just an underlying theme with you. But it has slowly manifested itself into now being your leading form of thinking. You prejudge an entire program based on one employees' past link or a small previously insignificant link to the past all of a sudden dominates your perspective or becomes a motive of a programs intentions. When you first came to fornits, Ursus, you were fair and somewhat open minded. You were the hero of finding the facts (and documenting them here correctly so that there was no mistakes) where no one else could without thought of whether the facts supported the program or showed them in a bad light. You insured that posts were well documented and the facts were clear. But now your wording speaks to a different motive and you work towards deceiving the reader with hearsay, hazy inspection reports and more wording towards……. This might mean a staff person abused an inmate… or ….. a restraint which went bad must mean the staff person punched the kid in the face….. if the staff did this then that must mean the whole program is abusive and he was trained to do this, eh? Etc., etc.
It would be nice to get back to a mindset which pursues the facts and questions everything else.
...
Whooter:
As I think about it this maybe should have been stated in a PM... didnt mean it to come across as personal attacks.....I'll let it go. No need to respond, just my observation and a little frustration.
...
DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Quoted for sheer <face palm> effects.
Think ya might have been able to get a few more paragraphs into that rant?
I do not try to mislead readers; you know this. You also know, as does pretty much everyone that has read more than five of my posts, that I *DO* seek out the ideological roots where individual programs, as well as the folk who run and work at them, originate. This is nothing new.
Whether ya agree with me or not, is immaterial to me. Origins and history are of interest to me. 'Nuff said.
You are creating a manifesto out of a non-issue.
--- End quote ---
I know you always had a thing for origins and history and that’s cool. But, in the past, this always was just an underlying theme with you. But it has slowly manifested itself into now being your leading form of thinking. You prejudge an entire program based on one employees' past link or a small previously insignificant link to the past all of a sudden dominates your perspective or becomes a motive of a programs intentions. When you first came to fornits, Ursus, you were fair and somewhat open minded. You were the hero of finding the facts (and documenting them here correctly so that there was no mistakes) where no one else could without thought of whether the facts supported the program or showed them in a bad light. You insured that posts were well documented and the facts were clear. But now your wording speaks to a different motive and you work towards deceiving the reader with hearsay, hazy inspection reports and more wording towards……. This might mean a staff person abused an inmate… or ….. a restraint which went bad must mean the staff person punched the kid in the face….. if the staff did this then that must mean the whole program is abusive and he was trained to do this, eh? Etc., etc.
It would be nice to get back to a mindset which pursues the facts and questions everything else.
...
--- End quote ---
No Whooter don't back away, your point is well received. I am sick of his misleading innuendo, flaky facts and the bullshit he blends in with facts. This guy has had it coming for a while, keep him on the carpet, he must answer for his lack of integrity.
Ursus you have steadily gone down hill with your ethics. Your posts are misleading, your agenda is clear. Get off your soapbox and speak to the mass instead of to the few who agree with your hype.
Your a marketing machine for fornits, pure and simple. You bleed fornits, bought and paid for. I know it, whooter, suckit and many others here know it, they just will not say it.
I am happy that this expose of you is finally been cracked open, Whooter finally said it out loud, this thread finally showed your true colors.
Origins and history are important to me, right......as you see it. You are not a expert on the TTI, Ursus. Stop acting like you are, very hard for a survivor to become objective enough to succeed.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version