Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Trails Carolina - new program
Joel:
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Joel" ---DJ these complaints are signs of serious ongoing problems over several months rather than an isolated incident. If it were an isolated incident, allot of this could have been "swept under the rug" supervisors in wilderness programs are skilled at doing. This is sad but it is true. This time an ASPEN wilderness program got caught with their pants down and justice will be served. The complaints about restraints { I'll break it down for ASPEN people reading my post } = restraints without justifiable cause and using excessive force/assaulting a minor.
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Not just several months; some of these violations go way back to Opening Day.
The incident in question, which resulted in the injury of a client, allegedly occurred on 12/23/2009. Several of the above noted violations figure into this incident, but the most pertinent ones are V132, V500, V512, V522, and V537 (based on my admittedly inexpert perusal of the Statement of Deficiencies and Plan of Correction, which will be posted shortly).
Trails Carolina personnel did file (in-house) incident reports regarding the incident, but failed to notify North Carolina. Perhaps the fact that the offending staff in question had not undergone training in the restraint system that Trails Carolina uses may have had something to do with that. Or that his training (in another system) had occurred so many years ago that it was no longer considered up to date.
Perhaps the fact that the three incident reports had discrepancies regarding relevant details also had something to do with it. Specifically, said offending staff claimed that kid injured himself while trying to bite him. Two other staff witnesses stated that he punched the kid in the mouth and gave him a bloody lip. At least one of those staff members indicated that it appeared to be retaliatory.
I should stress that this is technically NOT an Aspen program. Several of the staff including the founder previously worked at SUWS, as well as other Aspen programs, for many years. Perhaps the thread should be moved?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---I should stress that this is technically not an Aspen program. Several of the staff including the founder previously worked at SUWS, as well as other Aspen programs, for many years. Perhaps the thread should be moved?
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What do you mean by technically not an Aspen Program? It is either an Aspen program or it isn’t. Why do you blur facts all the time Ursus? Why not just be honest with the readers and say : This is not an Aspen Program.
If you look at almost any start up company the employees are going to have experience and roots in the industry they are starting up. If you were going to hire someone you would want people who had experience in the industry whether it be a restaurant, repair shop or insurance Company. It surprises me that you don’t see this. How many businesses, that you know of, are started up by people who have absolutely no previous work experience in the business they are in? and hire employees who have never worked in that said industry?
Think about it.
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---I should stress that this is technically not an Aspen program. Several of the staff including the founder previously worked at SUWS, as well as other Aspen programs, for many years. Perhaps the thread should be moved?
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What do you mean by technically not an Aspen Program? It is either an Aspen program or it isn’t. Why do you blur facts all the time Ursus? Why not just be honest with the readers and say : This is not an Aspen Program.
If you look at almost any start up company the employees are going to have experience and roots in the industry they are starting up. If you were going to hire someone you would want people who had experience in the industry whether it be a restaurant, repair shop or insurance Company. It surprises me that you don’t see this. How many businesses, that you know of, are started up by people who have absolutely no previous work experience in the business they are in? and hire employees who have never worked in that said industry?
Think about it.
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Geeezzz. A lil bit cranky tonight, eh?
I pointed out that Trails Carolina did not identify itself to be an Aspen program with the very first sentence in this here thread. You must not have read it. Here it is again, bold emphasis added:
Trails Carolina does not identify itself specifically as Aspen; however, pretty much everyone there that has noted previous TTI affiliations appears to have spent some time at SUWS of the Carolinas.[/list]
I think it's pretty safe to say that most of these folks did get a substantial portion of their training and experience with Aspen Ed, however. And that might very well say something 'bout Aspen Ed's training and their priorities. Or not, depending on your POV. :D
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---I should stress that this is technically not an Aspen program. Several of the staff including the founder previously worked at SUWS, as well as other Aspen programs, for many years. Perhaps the thread should be moved?
--- End quote ---
What do you mean by technically not an Aspen Program? It is either an Aspen program or it isn’t. Why do you blur facts all the time Ursus? Why not just be honest with the readers and say : This is not an Aspen Program.
If you look at almost any start up company the employees are going to have experience and roots in the industry they are starting up. If you were going to hire someone you would want people who had experience in the industry whether it be a restaurant, repair shop or insurance Company. It surprises me that you don’t see this. How many businesses, that you know of, are started up by people who have absolutely no previous work experience in the business they are in? and hire employees who have never worked in that said industry?
Think about it.
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Geeezzz. A lil bit cranky tonight, eh?
I pointed out that Trails Carolina did not identify itself to be an Aspen program with the very first sentence in this here thread. You must not have read it. Here it is again, bold emphasis added:
Trails Carolina does not identify itself specifically as Aspen; however, pretty much everyone there that has noted previous TTI affiliations appears to have spent some time at SUWS of the Carolinas.[/list]
I think it's pretty safe to say that most of these folks did get a substantial portion of their training and experience with Aspen Ed, however. And that might very well say something 'bout Aspen Ed's training and their priorities. Or not, depending on your POV. :D
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Look Ursus, you are not being direct with the readers. In the last post you said : I should stress that this is technically NOT an Aspen program.
If you look at the Aspen site they do not list Trails Carolina as an Aspen Program. Maybe this is not a big deal to you, but it shows that you tend to mislead the readers here on fornits. I think it is important to be factual and clear if you want to be perceived as credible. You post enough here on fornits to know better.
You also have a tendency to mislead readers into believing that if a program hires an employee that previously worked for "say" a CEDU program then the program must be CEDU based in their model. If you pick any industry at random you will see that the employees move from one company to another (within the industry) because thats what their profession is. Each employee needs to be trained and brought up to speed with the new companies policies and the way they do their business (not vise versa). I suspect that you know this but like to lead the readers the other way but I may be wrong on your intent.
The people that left SUWS of the Carolinas (in most probability) wanted to start their own program because they had newer and better ideas then they thought Aspen did and were frustrated with the large corporate machine and maybe not getting their ideas heard. People dont leave and start clones and expect to succeed against a giant industry.
I think you know all of this, Ursus, but pretend otherwise to mislead people into believing there is a conspiracy of some type but it doesn't come across as being genuine as you would hope it to be. Why not just put the facts up and discuss them honestly? If the places are corrupt or abusive the facts will prove them that way eventually.
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