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Re: More programs shutting down
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2009, 02:19:14 AM »
I'll make this as short as sweet as possible...

The true torture of a program is not so much the torture itself, it's the mindfuck that comes with it.  It is the very loss of control that does the most damage to a person's psyche, not the captivity per se.

The abuse that takes place in a jail or secure juvenile detention, is different than the abuse that takes place in contract facility, is different than the abuse that takes place in a parent-choice program.

Take physical abuse for example.  While you may be more likely to be physically abused in a juvenile detention, at least when you come out and claim that you were abused you're more likely to find someone who will validate that your rights were violated.  You may get a "shit happens" response, but at least your reality is validated.  In a parent-choice program, the abuse isn't just something that happens, it's something that's supposed to be good for you.  And so everywhere you go no one takes your claims of abuse seriously and you begin to think maybe I did deserve the physical and verbal abuse.

As for the distinction itself, it is somewhat important because it effects how you tackle the abuse in each case, and helps to reveal the underlying economics as to why certain practices occur.  For instance, contract facilities generally don't advertise on the web because they fill their beds to capacity with state referrals.
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Re: More programs shutting down
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2009, 11:34:57 AM »
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I'll make this as short as sweet as possible...

The true torture of a program is not so much the torture itself, it's the mindfuck that comes with it.  It is the very loss of control that does the most damage to a person's psyche, not the captivity per se.

The abuse that takes place in a jail or secure juvenile detention, is different than the abuse that takes place in contract facility, is different than the abuse that takes place in a parent-choice program.

Take physical abuse for example.  While you may be more likely to be physically abused in a juvenile detention, at least when you come out and claim that you were abused you're more likely to find someone who will validate that your rights were violated.  You may get a "shit happens" response, but at least your reality is validated.  In a parent-choice program, the abuse isn't just something that happens, it's something that's supposed to be good for you.  And so everywhere you go no one takes your claims of abuse seriously and you begin to think maybe I did deserve the physical and verbal abuse.

As for the distinction itself, it is somewhat important because it effects how you tackle the abuse in each case, and helps to reveal the underlying economics as to why certain practices occur.  For instance, contract facilities generally don't advertise on the web because they fill their beds to capacity with state referrals.
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Re: More programs shutting down
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2009, 11:49:46 AM »
PV lost the contract with TN DCS/Juvenile Court sometime in late 2007 due to an undisclosed fuck-up by the program.  That's the best I can get from TN DCS.   There have been kids placed at PV who were convicted as adults in other states because the parents were wealthy enough to foot the entire tuition.  When PV was used as a substitute for jail in Andy Klepper's sentence, the judge described PV like it was Gitmo.  In that situation, the familty therapist Jean Bolding refused to deliver a letter from a MD judge demanding Klepper's return.  That's how far PV goes to protect rich, private pay patients.  Klepper couldn't stay at PV because TN state officials were so disgusted with the baseball bat rapist Klepper that they refused to allow him to stay.
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Re: More programs shutting down
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2009, 11:37:29 PM »
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PV lost the contract with TN DCS/Juvenile Court sometime in late 2007 due to an undisclosed fuck-up by the program.  That's the best I can get from TN DCS.   There have been kids placed at PV who were convicted as adults in other states because the parents were wealthy enough to foot the entire tuition.  When PV was used as a substitute for jail in Andy Klepper's sentence, the judge described PV like it was Gitmo.  In that situation, the familty therapist Jean Bolding refused to deliver a letter from a MD judge demanding Klepper's return.  That's how far PV goes to protect rich, private pay patients.  Klepper couldn't stay at PV because TN state officials were so disgusted with the baseball bat rapist Klepper that they refused to allow him to stay.

"baseball bat rapist"?  What the hell is that about?
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Re: More programs shutting down
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2009, 12:25:31 AM »
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Quote from: "ZenAgent"
PV lost the contract with TN DCS/Juvenile Court sometime in late 2007 due to an undisclosed fuck-up by the program.  That's the best I can get from TN DCS.   There have been kids placed at PV who were convicted as adults in other states because the parents were wealthy enough to foot the entire tuition.  When PV was used as a substitute for jail in Andy Klepper's sentence, the judge described PV like it was Gitmo.  In that situation, the familty therapist Jean Bolding refused to deliver a letter from a MD judge demanding Klepper's return.  That's how far PV goes to protect rich, private pay patients.  Klepper couldn't stay at PV because TN state officials were so disgusted with the baseball bat rapist Klepper that they refused to allow him to stay.

"baseball bat rapist"?  What the hell is that about?

Teen Guilty in 2002 Sex Case Arrested on New Charge, By Ernesto Londoño,  Washington Post Staff Writer,June 8 2006

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Klepper spent several months at a facility for troubled youths in Tennessee. Kemp and Klepper's father said in court last month that the teenager has been working and taking classes at Montgomery Community College.

but but but ..

Not only PV has a saying in this case. CEDU seemed to be involved as well (look at the comments):

Whitman students charged as adults in sexual assault case, By Robin Hernandez, Silver Chips Online, December 13 2002

They really messed him up. I wouldn't let any female within a mile from him.
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Re: More programs shutting down
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2009, 12:46:12 AM »
Man, you really pick through the media with a fine-toothed flea comb, Oscar. I'm impressed.

Andrew Klepper apparently went to CEDU High School after this incident. Was that before or after Peninsula Village?

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Silver Chips Online
Whitman students charged as adults in sexual assault case
By Robin Hernandez, Page Editor
12/13/2002

Three Walt Whitman High School students have been charged with sexually assaulting a 25-year-old woman. According to the Washington Post the woman was lured to one of the students’ homes on November 8, where she was threatened with a knife and forced to undress and then assaulted with a baseball bat.

Andrew Klepper, a 15-year-old Whitman sophomore, is currently being tried as an adult. Police reports detail that Klepper contacted the woman over the Internet and offered her a job as a model for adult video productions. The woman was invited to Klepper’s home, where the three suspects allegedly took her cell phone and keys and then threatened her with a knife. The students were skipping school when the event occurred.

Klepper has been charged as an adult with first-degree sex offense, conspiracy to commit a first-degree sex offense, and armed robbery and conspiracy to commit armed robbery, charges that could result with life imprisonment.

Fourteen-year-old freshman Ryan H. Baird is also charged as an adult and could face life if found guilty.

Nineteen-year-old senior Young Song, was charged with armed robbery, conspiracy to commit armed robbery, and first degree assault.

According to Klepper’s Defense Attorney Paul Kemp the primary hearing was set for December 13; however, it has been postponed for a month.

Kemp is strongly opposed to charging a "15-year-old with a crime that he can get life for." Kemp is working to have Klepper charged as a juvenile. "I believe firmly that [a juvenile facility] is where he belongs," Kemp said.

According to Kemp, "adult prisons are horrible." The facilities are under funded, overcrowded, and lack proper resources for a juvenile. Kemp believes that charging juveniles as adults has become a growing trend, as a result of the belief that “juveniles have been getting breaks."

Klepper is no longer permitted to attend Whitman High School, where the administration is seeking to expel him.

For more facts and statics on adolescents sex offenders visit, http://www.focusas.com/AdolescentSexOffenders.html.

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From the Comments section:

Erica Kaplan:: [email protected]:: 07/02/2005
For the record i went to CEDU highschool with Andrew Klepper after this crime was commited... hes just a very misunderstood boy, i dont count him as a threat to society... yes, hes made ALOT of HUGE and unforgiveable mistakes in his life but that should not result in him being portrayed as some sort of monsterouse being... i am in no way excusing this horrible crime or saying not to blame him... i'm just saying that Andrew has changed, and he's doing really well and i'm proud of his turn around.

thank you for your time,
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Re: More programs shutting down
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2009, 01:27:35 AM »
The Washington Post
Teen Guilty in 2002 Sex Case Arrested on New Charge
By Ernesto Londoño
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 8, 2006; Page B01


Andrew Klepper was charged with pandering, a misdemeanor. (Montgomery County Police Dept. - Montgomery County Police Dept.)

When he was 16, high school student Andrew G. Klepper pleaded guilty to three felonies for sodomizing a female escort with a baseball bat and an ink marker at his Bethesda home.

Last month, Klepper, now 19, was charged in a case involving another female escort. This time, police say he set up an advertisement for the woman's services on a popular Web site and then drove her to a Rockville hotel to meet a "john" who was really a Montgomery County vice detective.

Klepper's attorney, Paul Kemp, said the new charge is a minor, nonviolent offense that is seldom prosecuted.

"The defendant is charged with essentially providing transportation," Kemp said during a recent court hearing. "He didn't convince someone to become a prostitute."

Prosecutors say the new charge -- pandering, a misdemeanor punishable by up to 10 years in prison -- is a serious offense considering Klepper's background. Klepper also has been charged with violating the terms of his probation. He is in jail.

Two of Klepper's classmates at Walt Whitman High School in Bethesda were also charged in the November 2002 case, which drew widespread attention because of the age of the defendants and the brutality of the crime.

In the new case, Assistant State's Attorney Jeffrey T. Wennar said in court that police last month found several photographs taken in Klepper's Bethesda house that show women "in various states of dress and undress." Police also found women's undergarments packaged in small bags, Wennar said.

"There may not have been a victim per se, your honor," Wennar said in court. "But this fetish complex that he has and this entrepreneurial desire to sell these sexual items -- for a lack of a better term -- there's something going on here."

Klepper's latest brush with the law came on May 15, after Montgomery vice detective Thomas Stack logged on to Craigslist -- a free and popular Web site that allows people to advertise a wide range of items such as housing and furniture -- and clicked on an ad posted by a person identified as "Lisa" who was offering "Full Service" for $200 per hour. The ad included two cellphone numbers: Lisa's and one identified as belonging to a friend who could book appointments if she was busy.

According to a police charging document, at 6:15 p.m. the vice officer called one of the numbers and spoke with the woman. After determining the price and type of sex acts to be performed, the document said, the officer and the woman agreed to meet at the Sleep Inn at 3 Research Ct. -- a block from police headquarters in Rockville.

Once at the hotel, Stack called the woman, who police said told him to go to Room 222. Inside, Stack identified himself as a police officer, and he and other officers searched the room, where condoms, the woman's cellphone and $241 were found, the charging document said.

The woman, Melissa Brewer, told Stack that "her assistant Andrew was downstairs in the lobby," the document said. Brewer has been charged with prostitution. Her attorney did not return a phone call yesterday, and her cellphone appears to no longer be in service.

Officers said they found Klepper downstairs with a laptop computer connected to the Internet. Brewer and Klepper agreed to make written statements. They wrote that Klepper was responsible for placing the ad on Craigslist and that Brewer paid him $30 to drive her from Reston to the Rockville hotel, police said.

Wennar said in court that Klepper told detectives he had a videotape he had made at his home of "the prostitute having sex with one of the three johns'' whom he had taken to the house that day.

Klepper promised police that he would turn over the video, but days later produced a videotape that "had obviously been erased," Wennar said. The photos and women's underwear were found in a search of Klepper's home, police said.

Klepper was released on his own recognizance on the pandering charge but turned himself in later after his probation officer charged him with violating the terms of his probation. In the 2002 case, he was sentenced to a 15-year suspended sentence and five years of probation after pleading guilty to robbery, first-degree assault and fourth-degree sexual offense.

Klepper spent several months at a facility for troubled youths in Tennessee. Kemp and Klepper's father said in court last month that the teenager has been working and taking classes at Montgomery Community College.

"He has worked, and shown initiative and desire to do so," Martin Klepper, a lawyer at a Washington law firm who teaches at Georgetown Law School, told the judge at the May 23 hearing. "While the charges against Andrew represent a reprehensible mistake by him, I respectfully ask that you not let this misstep undermine the good that has resulted from the past three and a half years of his rehabilitation."

At the time of the latest arrest, Klepper was carrying a law enforcement badge that Wennar said appeared to have been ordered from a catalogue. Kemp said that the badge was legitimately obtained and that his client was not trying to impersonate an officer.

In his profile on the social networking Web site My Space, Klepper says he is interested in law enforcement.

"i am going to be a cop!" it says under "Andrew's general interests."

Staff researcher Meg Smith contributed to this report.
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Re: More programs shutting down
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2009, 03:41:24 AM »
This is one messed up situation.
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Re: More programs shutting down
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2009, 04:46:42 AM »
well LOOK at him!

the only girl he could get is a prostitute.

but a baseball bat... lol thats just sick.
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Re: More programs shutting down
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2009, 07:43:55 AM »
Quote from: "blombrowski08"
I'll make this as short as sweet as possible...

The true torture of a program is not so much the torture itself, it's the mindfuck that comes with it.  It is the very loss of control that does the most damage to a person's psyche, not the captivity per se.

Generalizing can under mind and diminish other peoples experiences. I'd suggest avoiding it if I where you. We've seen numerous examples on fornits and on Cafety, which you'd know if you bothered to read your own forums, that details very graphic and horrific physical abuse in private parent choice programs.


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The abuse that takes place in a jail or secure juvenile detention, is different than the abuse that takes place in contract facility, is different than the abuse that takes place in a parent-choice program.

A bit misinformed are you? Take Mt. Meds in Alabama to be precise. That state funded and ran program is as big as mind fuck as any private p4p facility out there.



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Take physical abuse for example.  While you may be more likely to be physically abused in a juvenile detention, at least when you come out and claim that you were abused you're more likely to find someone who will validate that your rights were violated.  You may get a "shit happens" response, but at least your reality is validated.  In a parent-choice program, the abuse isn't just something that happens, it's something that's supposed to be good for you.  And so everywhere you go no one takes your claims of abuse seriously and you begin to think maybe I did deserve the physical and verbal abuse.

Are you stoned?

The state detention facilities take the same point of view and take it one step further. They rub your incarceration right in your face and never allow you to forget it. The state is the ultimate power with your parents having no say or control over it. Most claims of physical, sexual, and mental abuse are swept right under the rug.

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As for the distinction itself, it is somewhat important because it effects how you tackle the abuse in each case, and helps to reveal the underlying economics as to why certain practices occur.  For instance, contract facilities generally don't advertise on the web because they fill their beds to capacity with state referrals.
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Abuse is abuse. end of thread.
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Re: More programs shutting down
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2009, 09:56:52 AM »
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Man, you really pick through the media with a fine-toothed flea comb, Oscar. I'm impressed.

Andrew Klepper apparently went to CEDU High School after this incident. Was that before or after Peninsula Village?


After.

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From the Comments section:

Erica Kaplan:: [email protected]:: 07/02/2005
For the record i went to CEDU highschool with Andrew Klepper after this crime was commited... hes just a very misunderstood boy, i dont count him as a threat to society... yes, hes made ALOT of HUGE and unforgiveable mistakes in his life but that should not result in him being portrayed as some sort of monsterouse being... i am in no way excusing this horrible crime or saying not to blame him... i'm just saying that Andrew has changed, and he's doing really well and i'm proud of his turn around.

thank you for your time,
erica

I had this exchange on Facebook with one of Klepper's former classmates in MD:

Quote from: "from LM"
i knew that kid
he was fuckin weird

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I've read that he was only "misunderstood". I don't think that quite covers Klepper's status.

Quote from: "from LM"
dude, trust me...he had problems...and no he was very much UNDERSTOOD
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Re: More programs shutting down
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2009, 04:18:24 PM »
Prof. Angela Davis cites the Klepper case in her book Arbitrary Justice: The Power of the American Prosecutor[/u]...

http://books.google.com/books?id=YMZ543KzcO0C

On page 49 she describes Andrew's opportunity to "receive rehabilitative treatment at the Tennessee facility."

I have not read the book, but the excerpts on Klepper can be previewed in the link above.
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Re: More programs shutting down
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2009, 06:06:33 PM »
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Are you stoned?

The state detention facilities take the same point of view and take it one step further. They rub your incarceration right in your face and never allow you to forget it. The state is the ultimate power with your parents having no say or control over it. Most claims of physical, sexual, and mental abuse are swept right under the rug.

While I agree with most of your critique, most importantly the overgeneralizations in the past post, here's where I think private programs are worse than state run programs.

When it's the state that's abusing you at the very least you may still have your family to turn to for support after the fact.  Since the parents have no say or control over the abuse, they are more likely to believe you when you claim to have been abused, since they don't have to deal with the guilt of being responsible of exposing you to that abuse.

When it's your parents who have contracted out abuse, who are you going to turn to for support to validate your claims other than other survivors?
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Re: More programs shutting down
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2009, 11:54:20 PM »
Dude...

You do realize the huge glaring hole in your argument right? For the majority of these kids in private or public programs their families aren't going to show up even if you are being pissed on by two staffers dressed in matching tutus on national television.

I think someone made a really interesting point about Martin Anderson's family. How soon was it after they were awarded 4 million dollars did one of them end up with a mouth full of golds?

meh.
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Re: More programs shutting down
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2009, 02:11:41 AM »
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Dude...

You do realize the huge glaring hole in your argument right? For the majority of these kids in private or public programs their families aren't going to show up even if you are being pissed on by two staffers dressed in matching tutus on national television.

I think someone made a really interesting point about Martin Anderson's family. How soon was it after they were awarded 4 million dollars did one of them end up with a mouth full of golds?

meh.

Sometimes I REALLY don't get you... I mean seriously who's side are you on?... it seems like the only people you pick apart are survivors while the only ones you defend are program parents and trolls.

I will quote no one other than yourself to prove my point here.

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It isn't whether he/she has a point or not. Agree or disagree that's up to you. Just don't belittle him/her for having a point of view. Save that sort of thing for those who deserve it.

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