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DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run

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Che Gookin:
this is one of those threads that is hard to stop reading. Great discussion so far, and while I have nothing really to add(my experiences are all b-mod) I'll be sending my brother(cedu veteran). Maybe he'll find it of interest.

dishdutyfugitive:

--- Quote ---What, in your estimation, is the condition, solution and big picture?
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who the @#$% knows - perhaps were not supposed to know.

Why should we save the whales and not the sand flea? Is one better than the other?

Is a heroin addict a lesser person than another?


Why do we need the government to tell us what we can consume and not consume?
Why is obesiety tolerated?
They let people out of jail on the account of the fact they can't fit their 439 lb ass through the cell doors.

dishdutyfugitive:

--- Quote ---And then, I subsequently turned to one group after another in an effort to get well and stay well...I'd become convinced that I could not function as a healthy an autonomous human being, that the only way to survive was as part of some group. Basically, I got to a point to where I had lost pretty much all sense of personal identity and defined myself in terms of whatever group I was visiting or aligned with at the time. And I have been around a lot of them: JPUSA, the Twelve Tribes, a small group in Dallas you've probably never heard of, ISKCON...believe me, I have made the rounds of the fringe religious groups.
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This is precisely why I'm digging Fight club so much. The movie nailed it on the fucking head.

 intro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md36o8aEtRk

marla
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ojnOZW9 ... re=related

more marla
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cpr46gM ... re=related

dishdutyfugitive:

--- Quote ---What we generally talk about here is a system which utilizes shortcuts for reasons of expediency and cost effectiveness. And to do that in its extreme entails thought coercion.
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and best of all, these systems implement their quackery vis a vis underpaid, misinformed, undedumacated stooges. The majority of them are ass clowns that spend 1/3 of their day gazing into the mirror with deep admiration. Always rehearsing self help lines they learned earlier in the day from their senior gihbranist. Pining for the day where they can bust the perfect group therapy speech so as to win facilitator of the year award.

 Hot damn you move at lifespeed.....

Ursus:

--- Quote from: "SEKTO" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---The kinds of shortcuts that are utilized by and inherent to a group format affect some folks more "benignly" than others. I believe this is why, even chalking some cases up to Stockholm Syndrome, you still have a certain percentage of "success stories," namely people who, despite it all, genuinely feel they have been "bettered" by the experience.

But not all people are well suited to a group format. For some, the mere visceral reality of being in a group is traumatic enough in and of itself. This, on TOP of what is actually verbalized...

Somehow, at least in my humble experience, it was usually these people who formed the bulk of focus, when it came time to assess everyone's moral inventory at Hyde. Were their survival skills merely ill-suited to this artificially created environment? Or is "introversion" a dirty word for group-thinkers, a species that "society" is attempting to eradicate?

To run afoul of being "in tune with the group" was a larger sin than it was to mess up when it came to issues that the group was supposedly "helping you address."
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Holy cow.  You hit the nail right on the head, really pegged it right with that one.  I was about to go to bed, but once I saw the word "introversion" it just jumped out at me, so I feel compelled to jump back in for a minute here.  

Yes indeed, I am a strong introvert, INFP specifically.  I just finished reading "The Introvert Advantage" and will soon start on "Please Understand Me."

More later.  Really must get some sleep now.
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 :roflmao:  (Well, I'll be darned or a monkey's uncle, whichever comes first!)

Ahoy there, matey!! Me being a INFP/INTP myself (there being a bit of a toggle in that third axis, dependent upon the specifics of the assay, ha!), I can well relate to where you are coming from!

"Hot damn, you move at lifespeed....."   :clown:

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