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[Anonymous]

TheWho is an Internet Troll

What is an Internet Troll?

An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

Why does it Matter?

Some people -- particularly those who have been online for years -- are not upset by trolls and consider them an inevitable hazard of using the net. As the saying goes, "You can't have a picnic without ants."

It would be nice if everybody was so easy-going, but the sad fact is that trolls do discourage people. Established posters may leave a message board because of the arguments that trolls ignite, and lurkers (people who read but do not post) may decide that they do not want to expose themselves to abuse and thus never get involved.

Another problem is that the negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.

Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.

The Internet is a wonderful resource which is breaking down barriers and stripping away prejudice. Trolls threaten our continued enjoyment of this beautiful forum for ideas.

[TheWho]

Thanks for bring this up, troll alert.  It is always important to lay this out for the first time readers...... especially since the troll issue has been a problem for awhile.

Another problem is that the negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.

Like negativity towards “all” programs.  Trolls try to force their opinion on readers who are typically open minded and try to convince them that all programs are the same.  They pretend to know about programs they have never heard of before.

Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.

I agree 100% here.  You see that alot here on fornits.  Many trolls try to convince or scare readers into believing that all programs are evil and your kids would be harmed if you send them away for help and that they would be better off living in the streets.

The Internet is a wonderful resource which is breaking down barriers and stripping away prejudice. Trolls threaten our continued enjoyment of this beautiful forum for ideas.

Exactly, so it is important to keep an open mind and gain as much information and perspective as you can.  Read here on fornits, talk to other parents who have had kids experience programs and visit and speak with as many schools and professionals as possible before making your decision.  Dont base it on a few posters on the internet.  Speak to professionals first.



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[Anonymous]

YOU ARE THE TROLL, WHO.

[Froderik]

I've had enough of this finger pointing.

Everyone had better start getting along or else!

[Antigen]

Oh, for the love of whatever!

Got a YouTube channel located at http://YouTube.com/TheFornits. Do a video. We can then podcast those. Contact Deprogrammed about that. But for the sake of whatever powers that be, do ANYthing but waste time bullshiting with and about the troll!

[TheWho]

Why is it that I am labelled as a troll?  I am one of the few people here that is willing to debate the issues and add balance to the discussion.  Why would you rather have a closed room full of people who just agree with each other day-in and day-out with no outside interaction or injection of new ideas/points of view?  Seems the posters who are rude, use foul language, post pornography and/or closed minded are typically approached for moderator positions.
Seems a bit bazaar to say the least.



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[CCM girl 1989]

Why is it that I am labelled as a troll?  I am one of the few people here that is willing to debate the issues and add balance to the discussion.  Why would you rather have a closed room full of people who just agree with each other day-in and day-out with no outside interaction or injection of new ideas/points of view?  Seems the posters who are rude, use foul language, post pornography and/or closed minded are typically approached for moderator positions.
Seems a bit bazaar to say the least.



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If you didn't bring some balance around here Who, things would be even more boring then they already have been lately!!!!

[TheWho]

Why is it that I am labelled as a troll?  I am one of the few people here that is willing to debate the issues and add balance to the discussion.  Why would you rather have a closed room full of people who just agree with each other day-in and day-out with no outside interaction or injection of new ideas/points of view?  Seems the posters who are rude, use foul language, post pornography and/or closed minded are typically approached for moderator positions.
Seems a bit bazaar to say the least.



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If you didn't bring some balance around here Who, things would be even more boring then they already have been lately!!!!

Thanks, it has been quiet lately.  I havent made it out to the San Jose area in awhile.  Hows the leg/foot doing?  are you up and around? 100% yet?



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[act.da]

Oh, for the love of whatever!

Got a YouTube channel located at http://YouTube.com/TheFornits. Do a video. We can then podcast those. Contact Deprogrammed about that. But for the sake of whatever powers that be, do ANYthing but waste time bullshiting with and about the troll!

If you'd like a copy of the video/audio from my call to Blount County Parks & Rec just PM with an email address and I'll send it over to you.

If you haven't seen it already, heres a link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRR6HTs6Ek8

[Anonymous]

It's a pretty easy choice considering that there are only 2 candidates to choose from! I personally didn't vote for either one of these guys in the primaries. But, now I have no choice! So, I have decided to choose the one who doesn't hang out with the likes of Bill Ayers, and Reverend Wright.

There are plenty of other reasons why Mc Cain is getting my vote. However, I figure this isn't really a board that deals with politics. Especially when most people around here get their news from the liberal media.

Why am I even surprised at this coming from you?  

Christ, I don't see how any self respecting WOMAN could vote for her, let alone program survivor.

[Froderik]

Christ, I don't see how any self respecting WOMAN could vote for her, let alone program survivor.

"Her"?

[Anonymous]

Yeah....."she" is the one who has supposedly energized the base.  Look at the polls before and after.  All those midwest housewives (daytime TV watching morons that they are) are all excited about her and, unfortunately, they seem to vote in greater numbers than sane people.  

A few points about Palin.....

--  Palin hired a lobbyist (ya know.....like 75% of McCain's campaign staff are, but they're the anti-lobby party, right?) while mayor of Wasilla, AK to secure 27 million dollars in Federal money for her town of 7,000 people.

--  Palin's hubby was a member of the Alaska Independence Party, who's main slogan is "Alaska First" and wants to secede from the Union.  So much for Country First, huh?

--  Palin supported the bridge to nowhere during her 06 gubernatorial candidacy, abandoned the project after intense public outrage, and took the 230+ mil. from the federal government anyway and spent it on other things.

--  Alaska continues to be the highest per capital recipient of federal earmarks.

--  Time reported last week, for example, that Palin asked the Wasilla librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, about the process for banning books. Baker was reportedly "aghast" at the question. Soon after taking office, Palin, according to a New York Times report, fired Baker, and news reports from the time indicate that Palin thought Baker hadn't done enough to give her "full support" to the mayor.

Palin reversed course on Baker's dismissal after a local outcry, and later said the discussions about banning books were "rhetorical."

And should we even get into her stance on abstinence only education in schools?  I about fell out of my chair when I heard her say how proud she was of Bristol's "decision" to keep the baby.  Decision?  I think not, but even if Mommy Dearest DID let Bristol make that, ahem, decision.....why does she want to take that right away from everyone else?  I don't care that her daughter is preggo at 17.  Hell, lotsa kids make stupid mistakes.  What I DO have a problem with is the extreme hypocrisy of this "family values" platform.

[Froderik]

Yeah....."she" is the one who has supposedly energized the base.  Look at the polls before and after.  All those midwest housewives (daytime TV watching morons that they are) are all excited about her and, unfortunately, they seem to vote in greater numbers than sane people.  

A few points about Palin.....

--  Palin hired a lobbyist (ya know.....like 75% of McCain's campaign staff are, but they're the anti-lobby party, right?) while mayor of Wasilla, AK to secure 27 million dollars in Federal money for her town of 7,000 people.

--  Palin's hubby was a member of the Alaska Independence Party, who's main slogan is "Alaska First" and wants to secede from the Union.  So much for Country First, huh?

--  Palin supported the bridge to nowhere during her 06 gubernatorial candidacy, abandoned the project after intense public outrage, and took the 230+ mil. from the federal government anyway and spent it on other things.

--  Alaska continues to be the highest per capital recipient of federal earmarks.

--  Time reported last week, for example, that Palin asked the Wasilla librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, about the process for banning books. Baker was reportedly "aghast" at the question. Soon after taking office, Palin, according to a New York Times report, fired Baker, and news reports from the time indicate that Palin thought Baker hadn't done enough to give her "full support" to the mayor.

Palin reversed course on Baker's dismissal after a local outcry, and later said the discussions about banning books were "rhetorical."

And should we even get into her stance on abstinence only education in schools?  I about fell out of my chair when I heard her say how proud she was of Bristol's "decision" to keep the baby.  Decision?  I think not, but even if Mommy Dearest DID let Bristol make that, ahem, decision.....why does she want to take that right away from everyone else?  I don't care that her daughter is preggo at 17.  Hell, lotsa kids make stupid mistakes.  What I DO have a problem with is the extreme hypocrisy of this "family values" platform.

Just making sure...I knew we couldn't be talking about Hillary...lol.

I didn't know about the 27 million. Otoh, I don't have a problem with states seceding from the union. Fuck the union, I say. Maybe Alaska should get those earmarks; who the hell wants to live up there otherwise? LOL.

However, that stuff about banning books is quite disturbing, I'd like to know more about that...(like which books, etc.)

As a 3-time 'abortionist,' I can't say I fully approve of that platform. (If I had had kids in those situations it would have been fucked up to say the least.) But a good argument is made for nurturing the foetus and giving it up for adoption instead of sucking it out like a cancer.....I dunno....

Then on the other hand, Obama ain't all that, either... color me undecided.

(Anyway, isn't this political discussion on the wrong fucking forum?)  

[Froderik]

I'd also like to add (in lieu of editing my post) that McCain's statements concerning 'washboarding' are fucked up, especially considering he himself went through the years of torture that he did as a POW. You'd think he wouldn't approve of something like that. Wtf?? Has he commented further on this?

[Anonymous]

Just making sure...I knew we couldn't be talking about Hillary...lol.

I didn't know about the 27 million. Otoh, I don't have a problem with states seceding from the union. Fuck the union, I say. Maybe Alaska should get those earmarks; who the hell wants to live up there otherwise? LOL.

Yeah, me neither.  Except when she's running around talking about how she's rallied AGAINST earmarks.  Except when she still repeats the same lie that she said no to the 'bridge to nowhere'.  Again, it's more the hypocrisy of the both of them.  Now they're the candidates of change??  Now??

However, that stuff about banning books is quite disturbing, I'd like to know more about that...(like which books, etc.)

http://www.time.com/time/politics/artic ... html?imw=Y

At some point in those fractious first days, Palin told the department heads they needed her permission to talk to reporters. "She put a gag order on those people, something that you'd expect to find in the big city, not here," says Naegele. "She flew in there like a big-city gal, which she's not. It was a strange time, and [the Frontiersman] came out very harshly against her."

Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

As a 3-time 'abortionist,' I can't say I fully approve of that platform. (If I had had kids in those situations it would have been fucked up to say the least.) But a good argument is made for nurturing the foetus and giving it up for adoption instead of sucking it out like a cancer.....I dunno....

I hear ya there too, but she wants it banned even in cases of rape and incest.

Then on the other hand, Obama ain't all that, either... color me undecided.

Just inexperienced. But that's why he picked Biden.

(Anyway, isn't this political discussion on the wrong fucking forum?)  

Agreed.  Psy?  Tacitus?