help me with something

[Anonymous]

someone i know is planning to look into sending her adopted child to a boarding school for psycho kids. i would like to offer her an alternative but since the prob is just that the kid lies, sulks and refuses to do chores, i can't think of one. the child has been diagnosed by a fake shrink with something called reactive attachment disorder because she doesn't like her fake mother. i have offered to take the child but they won't give her to me.

i would like to email the parents a link to some sort of official scientific study that shows that these psycho kid schools are ineffective or some official statement to that effect by a legitimate org. i saw a link to the GAO report so i'll start with that.

also is there some info. that is specific to just therapeutic boarding schools because they would never even consider sending their kid to a boot camp but they think this is entirely different.

the parents are educated buddhist vegans who consider themselves hippy dippy humanitarians.

i know this sounds like a complete joke but believe it or not I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP

thank you

[hurrikayne]

You should refer them first to the FTC's warning regarding these types of programs & facilities, then you need to have them read the GAO reports...

http://http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/products/pro27.pdf

http://http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08146t.pdf

http://http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08713t.pdf

http://http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08346.pdf

Might want to direct them to www.isaccorp.org as well.

[TheWho]

Crapflower, Adopted children who spent their initial years (1st 26 months, typically, or more) in an institution (especially overseas, eastern Europe where they receive very little compassionate contact)  are prone to developing RAD (Reactive Attachment Disorder) if they are not cared for properly.  This is a very serious disorder which is extremely difficult to treat.  The child is very disruptive and never bonded with anyone including his adoptive parents and has trouble forming any type of relationship.  RAD is caused by (or a byproduct of) institutional living (or indifference, neglect, abuse by the parents) so the last thing you want to do is send the child away unless your choice is to disrupt the adoption and the child is going to be placed with another family.

I Also wanted to add that adoptive parents are not fake parents.  They are the kids “Real” parents they are just not the biological parents.

Ask the child’s parents to read this.  I believe there are still a few openings if they choose (or can) attend.

http://http://www.campbrokenhearts.org/?gclid=CPiax7SypJUCFQ0MIgodJHujbw



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[Che Gookin]

someone i know is planning to look into sending her adopted child to a boarding school for psycho kids. i would like to offer her an alternative but since the prob is just that the kid lies, sulks and refuses to do chores, i can't think of one. the child has been diagnosed by a fake shrink with something called reactive attachment disorder because she doesn't like her fake mother. i have offered to take the child but they won't give her to me.

They are tossing their kid into a program over this? Sounds to me like they ought to praise the kid more and spend more time with the critter.

[Anonymous]

Considering that Reactive Attachment Disorder is yet another diagnosis made up by the attachment therapist crowd (and practicing "attachment therapy" will get you put in jail EVEN IN UTAH), anyone who mentions it can be pretty much written off as having no fucking clue what he's talking about.

As usual, really.

Honestly, if this isn't yet another troll, one ten-minute browse through isaccorp.org should be enough to put anyone reasonably sane off the idea.

[Anonymous]

Crapflower, Adopted children who spent their initial years (1st 26 months, typically, or more) in an institution (especially overseas, eastern Europe where they receive very little compassionate contact)  are prone to developing RAD (Reactive Attachment Disorder) if they are not cared for properly.  This is a very serious disorder which is extremely difficult to treat.  The child is very disruptive and never bonded with anyone including his adoptive parents and has trouble forming any type of relationship.  RAD is caused by (or a byproduct of) institutional living (or indifference, neglect, abuse by the parents) so the last thing you want to do is send the child away unless your choice is to disrupt the adoption and the child is going to be placed with another family.

I Also wanted to add that adoptive parents are not fake parents.  They are the kids “Real” parents they are just not the biological parents.

Ask the child’s parents to read this.  I believe there are still a few openings if they choose (or can) attend.

http://http://www.campbrokenhearts.org/?gclid=CPiax7SypJUCFQ0MIgodJHujbw



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I'm sorry, I may not be reading theWho's post correctly.  Is he referring to this place?  I only ask because he seems very aware of the availability and presents it as an "act fast, spots are going quick" sales pitch.

[Anonymous]

Considering that Reactive Attachment Disorder is yet another diagnosis made up by the attachment therapist crowd (and practicing "attachment therapy" will get you put in jail EVEN IN UTAH), anyone who mentions it can be pretty much written off as having no fucking clue what he's talking about.

their adoption agency is paying for it. i have explained to them that attachment therapy has been condemned by the american psychological assoc. but they don't care because they don't believe in  mainstream stuff. they are anti-establishment vegan raw-foodists.  

i am not making this stuff up

[Anonymous]

Perhaps if you mentioned the hellhole in question we could get a bit more evidence?

Also I'm sure the adoption agency in question would just LOVE to see said evidence as well...

[Antigen]

Maia Szalavitz has done some of the best journalism on this topic. Here's a god article from MoJo.

The Cult That Spawned the Tough-Love Teen Industry

By Maia Szalavitz

August 20, 2007

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature ... ustry.html

And here's a good book by the same author (as coauthor) on the topic.
The Boy Who Was Raised as a Dog: And Other Stories from a Child Psychiatrist's Notebook Child Psychiatrist's Notebook--What Traumatized Children Can Teach Us About Loss, Love, and Healing

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/046505 ... 0465056539


Here's a review of that book from Austin Travis Co Mental Health Mental Retardation Center
http://resources.atcmhmr.com/poc/view_d ... book&cn=37

Now Who, there's another, simpler explanation that fits all the facts and well explains why some kids get the RAD dx--asshole parents. Occam's Razor.

[Anonymous]

i would have them directly email Isacorp. When i had a relative considering doing exactly the same thing this was the most effective and practical way of goin about things. Not only does the woman who runs it have an outstanding knowledge of who previously worked for which program (particularly staff who moved from a corrupt place to somewhere that now claims to be legitimate) but she is also very rational in her answers to questions. She also can inform them very articulately about what the specific trouble with ed cons is.

http://www.isaccorp.org/

[TheWho]

Now Who, there's another, simpler explanation that fits all the facts and well explains why some kids get the RAD dx--asshole parents. Occam's Razor.

Its not the common denominator, though.  Some kids are diagnosed with RAD before they even meet their parents.  Many parents who are assholes have perfectly normal kids and dont turn out to be assholes themselves.  But yes, like every other type of child, some of them have assholes for parents.



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[Anonymous]

Perhaps if you mentioned the hellhole in question we could get a bit more evidence?

They have an appointment to look at New Leaf Academy in Ore.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps if you mentioned the hellhole in question we could get a bit more evidence?

They have an appointment to look at New Leaf Academy in Ore.

Oh! That's an easy one.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... torder=asc

And it's owned by the Aspen Educational Group. Aspen is owned by CRC, which is owned by Bain Capital. Wanna know the founder of Bain Capital? None other than Mitt Romney. It's a straight hierarchy, right on up the line. Mitt Romney hired two more child torturers (Robert Litchfield, Mel Sembler) to be his campaign finance managers. If the parents really are garden-variety leftists as it seems, they'll CHOKE on this one.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps if you mentioned the hellhole in question we could get a bit more evidence?

They have an appointment to look at New Leaf Academy in Ore.

That is not a good one with this problem unless they are thinking of stopping the relationship. New Leaf use a strategy based on the findings of the critized psychoanalyst Erik Homburger Erikson.

Most empirical research into Erikson has stemmed around his views on adolescence and attempts to establish identity. His theoretical approach was studied and supported, particularly regarding adolescence, by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Marcia] . Marcia's work extended Erikson's, distinguishing different forms of identity, and there is some empirical evidence that those people who form the most coherent self-concept in adolescence are those who are most able to make intimate attachments in early adulthood. This supports Eriksonian theory, in that it suggests that those best equipped to resolve the crisis of early adulthood are those who have most successfully resolved the crisis of adolescence.

Report here: Marcia, J. E., (1966), Development and validation of ego identity status, ''Journal of Personality and Social Psychology'' 3, pp. 551-58

The raised the red flag in relationship with this problem is the long period the child is the long period before the first home visit is allowed. We are talking about a year. They use a level system. See our datasheet about New Leaf.

Even when the child reaches the third level - the Star Step - home visits are not exactly quality time for the family. The parents have to report what takes place during the visits.

Here we recognize the the academy as the "divorce academy". If you are the custorial parent and want to have time to turn your child against your former spouse, this is the place to do it in not so harsh way. They dont use violence as seen in other places, but run a very professionel program that can alter the child to be the perfect Stepford daugther. It is not as kind as it use to be. Aspen wanted to earn money and expanded the facilities so they could take more students making it difficult for the staff to treat every one as individual as needed.

I have difficulties to see how this problem, which should be treated with intense family therapy can be dealt with in a place where the treatment start with a long period of isolating the child from its extended family and limit communication with the parents.

I am almost sorry to say it. Even TheWho recommendation is way better in this case.

[seamus]

THE who's little camp sounds like a parenlal control freaks wet dream to me. Just my opinion.