Now why? Is it to help these two sick druggies (as you see it) to take the first step and realize how sick in the head they both are? Feel you're getting much with vinegar so far? See. Problem is it doesn't work very well outside of a confined environment, now does it? People can switch the screen off, people can take a break. The same isn't true of the inside of a program where you not only have to listen, but accept and admit to the most humiliating of trumped up confessions (of course, you see this as breaking through DENIAL (didn't even notice I am lying)). What you don't realize, is that just like torture, people will say anything to make it stop... What you don't realize is that once that same stigma becomes a badge of pride, a war scar, that same humliating fiction becomes part of one's identity. It's only natural. It's the only way to be accepted in such an enviornment. You don't "identify", you adapt to the environment and become who you must be to survive. You learn to see yourself as somehow damaged, but the only one able to help others who you see that way. Only problem is that you learn to see all others that way (despite the facts or lack of due process). You see what you want to see. You can't accept the possibility that others can choose to live differently than you and that choice is valid, or that their lives are healthy. Accepting as such goes against the very core of the beliefs you adopted as your identity and view of the world around you.
You're either with the program, or you're sick? Program is the only salvation, right?
Am I right?
Let me put it this way - nope
While reading that i could almost see you twisting around in the weeds, there psy . . plus 'torture' is an incredible word to use for that but you and vinny et.al. seem to need to take it to that level..
let me ask you this question - why are their hundreds of people that have gone through there that don't report being tortured like poor vinny's patient does? Ms special, ya know?
and PS, i don't think i have ever said i came here to help 'druggies'