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Anonymous:
I don't see what the BIG DEAL is in someone getting paid for doing what they love. Karen Z feels strongly about her involvement in this - give her a break! Carey feels strongly about wanting to shut down WWASP programs. Spots, even with her holier than thou persona, is dong what she thinks is right. If it is coming from a passion, let it go. In their view, they are doing what they feel is right for themselves.
If this forum was all about agreeing with each other, how boring it would be. Some people jump on the negative press bandwagon and say "hey look, "I'm right." Other's, like me, keep an open mind and go with what feels right.
No program is 100% perfect. No person is 100% perfect - I know I'm not and like someone said, if you find those negatives, then it is something within yourself that you need to take a look at. No one is wrong here. No one is right either. These are opinions expressed. PERIOD.
Anonymous:
What can you say about someone who thinks of themselves as a professional parent? Not much -- which is why perhaps Karen Z. might want to think about posting on her own discussion board for a change.
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Deborah:
Anon wrote:
I don't see what the BIG DEAL is in someone getting paid for doing what they love. Karen Z feels strongly about her involvement in this - give her a break!
The point the other Anon was making is that it is widely held among opponents of the Industry that one who refers to programs should act independently. Meaning they aren't paid by the program or in this case, their website is not paid for by a program. I don't know how much this "really" matters in the end, OR how realistic it is to think that there is such a thing as an unbiased referral. But oh well, it's considered unethical.
I didn't check the validity of this but if it's accurate, I would have to agree that some disclaimer would be appropriate. If Karen is independent, wouldn't it make sense that the site would be registered to her, or rather the folks she works for?
It's one thing to share your experience with other parents, it's another to imply you make independent referals to better programs (those with better "marketing" schemes). Why doesn't ALA do it's own advertising? Why do they need Karen (or the others involved with the site)? Wouldn't it be enough for ALA to provide her testimonial at their site, rather than register (pay for?) a site where she/they claim to provide independent referals? And why would ALA pay for a site where other programs are listed? Do these programs have anything in common, other than the obvious of course? Many questions :???:
I'm sure there will be some logical explanation, we'll have to see how Karen weighs in on this and how the situation is handled.
Deborah
[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2003-07-26 16:59 ]
Anonymous:
Deborah - you wrote: "But oh well, it's considered unethical." Maybe, maybe not. Depends on who's reading it.
What I consider unethical is claiming one program is safer or better than another. That is biased. Sue Scheff is completely in this category - unethical and biased. She too is a professional mom, no credentials other than her own experience, which is based on being told she could no longer refer parents to WWASP programs, so she is now a dirt digger to make herself look credible by referring parents to programs that will pay her a fee.
All provide a necessary service to parents, hopefully not to confuse them any further, but to provide options based on what they need. I don't even think educational consultants fit what parents need, especially the amount they charge the parents. I would much prefer to speak to a parent, teen, family, that has been where I am and to share their story. I, as an intelligent person, can make a decision based on if it feels right for my family.
I get that it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.
Lighten up! Help is what's needed, not a bunch of character attacks - does nothing for me but make me feel "icky."
Deborah:
Damned if you do, damned if you don't?
If someone in the business of refering criticizes another for unethical marketing practices, shouldn't they hold themselves to a higher standard than the one they criticize? Given the discussion, there is some question re: ALA and Karen's integrity and the nature of their relationship. Personally, I'm waiting to hear Karen's response. Everyone does what they do because in their heart of hearts (in some cases, their twisted minds) they think it's right... even Hitler.
>>Lighten up! Help is what's needed, not a bunch of character attacks - does nothing for me but make me feel "icky."
Help is what's needed?
Character attacks?
Well pardon me, but your "icky" feelings are for you to deal with.... it's not my responsibility to cater to your distresses and misinterpretations. No one on this board is responsible for censoring themselves so you don't feel icky. I know it may be hard for you to discern this, but there is a difference between attacking one's character and questioning it. And ocassionally, an "attack" of one's character can be necessary and useful.
My persepective of course,
Deborah
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