Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Coldwater the Movie
Anonymous:
If you want any of us to take you seriously, learn to spell. Proper grammar might help too. (pupits, is spelled "puppets" - that's a freebe on me!) And you say you're a writer, HA!? At least you're not a school teacher.
And NO Carey, that wasn't Sue!
By the WAY, a documentary is a separate production all together. Which means, Coldwater will be a "movie" and the "documentary" will be something else. Not shown with the movie. It'll have testimony from those involved in the subject matter. It is non-fiction and will be produced with the utmost of integrity. HOW MANY TIMES MUST YOU BE TOLD THIS?
I just truly wonder why you think a fictional film is such a bad thing? The filmmakers are certainly not in support of the camps, they are against them and hope that after the film's release these camps will be closed. WHY CAN'T YOU GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL?
If after Coldwater's release, many camps were closed because of the added media attention, would you still say it's a bad thing? Answer that for me, will you?
--- Quote ---On 2003-07-24 11:38:00, Carey wrote:
"WOW, all of Sue's pupits are out in full force.
You guys, I am sorry that I am upsetting you so very much. I know why. Because you know that a FICTIONAL movie is just that, fiction. And yes, the producers can gather a lot of people together and have them make statements, which will help him to sell his movie, but then these people will be endorcing the fiction he has created. Then the movie could be based on facts not fiction. Oh well, another person, just like Sue, who will profit off of the pain of others.
Yes Sue, I know that was from you. I know because you are the one who has talked to the attorneys. I also know that you have upset them. I have a copy of the letter that went out.
I don't need others, especially those associated with Sue Scheff, to take on my views and opinions to make me feel they are justified and/or right. I know they are right, just like I knew Dundee was wrong.
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-07-24 11:39 ]"
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Carey:
"Hey, my life is writing, your's anon must be reading. I guess I am someone who takes action while you are someone who sits on the wayside and merely complains about the actions that others take."
This was my quote on writing. I did not say I was a writer. It was in response to anon who made a comment about me "getting a life " and my "104 posts" on this site. Me the writer / Anon the reader. Do you get it now? I guess this person, Anaon, was feeling threatened by my opinion.
"If after Coldwater's release, many camps were closed because of the added media attention, would you still say it's a bad thing? Answer that for me, will you?
So you are saying you would give Coldwater the credit for the shutting down of these programs? I wouldn't. They are taking a ride on the same money train as Sue, Dundee and all others who are associated with this industy have. If programs get shut down it will be due to legal proceedings, not a fictional movie. All the movie will due is make it harder for those making the decision to determine fact from fiction. Those in the judicial system will be a little more weary about what they are being told in court by those who endorse this piece of fiction.
anon:
My anon 'friends'
I don't understand how you can say I have a credibility problem, when I am telling the truth.
Do you know what credibility means?
Someone had a question about the Mexican house ALA operates. I can promote it because I personally know the people involved, and how they came to open the house in Mexico.
Its a beautiful place, in a quite resort town on a huge and beautiful lake.
The kids actually do get to go out and socialize in the town. They actually do get to ride horses, and visit the beaches and go to movies. They actually do take part in public service work. Lately, its been planting trees.
ALA is not your typical program. Its operated family style - no restriction on phone use, or packages and letters. Family is welcome at any time - and I do mean welcome.
That is how/why I can gladly 'promote' them.
Carey, you write:
//Oh, sounds like this is really a site that people should turn to, NOT!!!!!//
Then by all means stay away from it. Quite logging onto the forum, and posting to this one and that one - Do you know Karen is doing this, or has posted that. . . If you don?t approve - stay away.
//You talk about a fish flopping around, you go from claiming to know nothing about the programs,//
That wasn?t me made the fish comment.
//You say it yourself, you are promoting something you know nothing about!//
I don?t promote what I don?t know about. I think I was clear on this point. I am very upfront with people about the dangers and that they need to use great caution. I'm very clear I can't personally speak about any program, other than WWASP, and ALA.
To all:
The STH site is not Mine. I don?t pay for it, or make money working with it. I don?t decide what is on the site, except for what I post on the Forum. I am pleased to be part of it - as I know the people involved, and I respect and trust them. Nothing I say on Fornits or elsewhere is in any way effected by the fact I watch over the STH forum. So, I don?t see how it effects the credibility of my statements.
I enjoy talking with people, I am a good listener, I do have quit a lot of personal experience getting help for troubled kids (far more that you would imagine) and I can often give some pretty sound advice as a result. Most of my experience has to do with families getting the services they need from hospitals, insurance companies, schools and states. This is often very helpful to parents who can?t even consider the kind of private paid programs we talk about here. With most of the people I spend time with, there is no money to be made for anybody. The programs I most often recommend? YMCA camps, and Outward bound.
I expect with the passing of time, the site will grow, and be more informative and list more options, and some will like it, and some won?t.
I am interested in input. I can make suggestions.
Once again, I ask folks to remember - I didn?t bring this up - and so please don?t try to accuse me of promoting ?my? web site.
Back to Cary for a moment:
You seem to think Craig a pirate for charging tuition. Its how he makes his living Carey. He dose this at great personal sacrifice, even if ALA does have tuition. He drives those boys all over the country - no exaggeration - to attend teen conferences and events - at no additional charge. Its just part of the program. He takes the kids snow boarding, skate boarding, camping, hiking threw some of the most beautiful places in the world - all at no additional cost. So please don?t be harping at me about how hes all about money. I happen to be someone who knows better. Furthermore, he is good at what he dose. He has a gift for working with teenage boys with addiction problems.
Carey - why are you so suspicious and paranoid of everybody?s motives? As a general rule, what one accuses others of, is what they themselves are guilty of. When you spend all this time and energy trying to point out all the flaws and inadequacies of others - the plots and schemes you believe them all planning - it makes me wonder whats in your own heart.
Carey:
"Oh, sounds like this is really a site that people should turn to, NOT!!!"
Karen, I was refering to your site, not the Fornets site. :wstupid:
"Carey - why are you so suspicious and paranoid of everybody?s motives? As a general rule, what one accuses others of, is what they themselves are guilty of. When you spend all this time and energy trying to point out all the flaws and inadequacies of others - the plots and schemes you believe them all planning - it makes me wonder whats in your own heart."
I don't want you to have to wonder, Karen. I will tell you what is in my heart. THE TRUTH. Those of us who are fighting this fight for the children from truely a "pure" perspective will come out alright. Those of us who have not, will only have themselves to blame.
Anonymous:
To Karen Z:
At the very least, don't you think you should disclose on the website you "manage" that the website is registered to the same person who owns Abundant Life Academy, one of the 4 programs recommended on this website?
As for whether you are paid or not paid for your services, it's clear you are in the business of referring prospective clients to someone who stands to profit from your recommendations.
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