is it a good idea to have zen as moderator?

[Anonymous]

I found it, Corey.  Here it is, the link to the post with the survivor's address, phone number.  It certainly was posted, now you've got the lying bastard.  Punish him for this.

http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.forni ... 59#p312559

[Anonymous]

I edited CCM's name out of the post without anyone asking me to do it.

Follow the link.  That line "I edited....isn't in the post linked.  They're making shit up, hoping no one double checks them.

Looks like we go the real liars.

Want me to post evidence of this, Zen?

Re: Liar, liar pants on fire!

You are a three year old.  Dude, you've posted the same tired shit over and over.  If you want to keep talking to people who aren't around, carry on, you're the freak.  If you want to address zen, why don't you do it in the PV YLF forum?  You'll be sure to have his attention, instead of calling Che zen, or anyone who disagrees with you.

You're making zen look like he's the victim of a nutjob troll working for PV.  No one else would keep trying to manufacture drama that isn't there for six months.  You're a loser.

Hmm….misdirected rage a little?
A. There are different people posting about this—they’re not all me. I didn’t start this thread, or comment until recently to the bullshit intended to cover up what happened.
B. A mod somehow tracked down someone’s identity, posted it to control them, and deleted the post—that’s wrong and it can happen again
C. if you don’t feel that’s relevant. Then Don’t. Fucking. Respond, troglodyte

[Anonymous]

I edited CCM's name out of the post without anyone asking me to do it.

Follow the link.  That line "I edited....isn't in the post linked.  They're making shit up, hoping no one double checks them.

Looks like we go the real liars.

Want me to post evidence of this, Zen?

Re: Liar, liar pants on fire!

You are a three year old.  Dude, you've posted the same tired shit over and over.  If you want to keep talking to people who aren't around, carry on, you're the freak.  If you want to address zen, why don't you do it in the PV YLF forum?  You'll be sure to have his attention, instead of calling Che zen, or anyone who disagrees with you.

You're making zen look like he's the victim of a nutjob troll working for PV.  No one else would keep trying to manufacture drama that isn't there for six months.  You're a loser.

Hmm….misdirected rage a little?
A. There are different people posting about this—they’re not all me. I didn’t start this thread, or comment until recently to the bullshit intended to cover up what happened.
B. A mod somehow tracked down someone’s identity, posted it to control them, and deleted the post—that’s wrong and it can happen again
C. if you don’t feel that’s relevant. Then Don’t. Fucking. Respond, troglodyte

Touchy, touchy, Corky.  You only want Zen.  You've even quit mentioning who you think was violated, because CCM doesn't matter to you, only zen.  Present evidence that Zen did something like this:

http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.forni ... 59#p312559

or shut the fuck up.  Go find your link yourself, Corky, it'll keep you busy forever, because there's no link with CCM's info.
 
And you're the only person posting this shit unless you can prove otherwise.  You've got a clumsy, boneheaded prose style, and you're a troll, based on:

A.  You ignore questions put to you and demand others to address you.

B.  No amount of evidence shuts you up.


Some trolls piss people off, and you did that for several months.  Now you're just embarrassing yourself.  Seriously, if you think there are cover ups going on here, perhaps your paranoid personality is better suited to a moderated forum.

Do you want your own little thread  somewhere to do this shit, where you won't bother people with important things to do, precious?

[Anonymous]

I edited CCM's name out of the post without anyone asking me to do it.

Follow the link.  That line "I edited....isn't in the post linked.  They're making shit up, hoping no one double checks them.

Looks like we go the real liars.

Want me to post evidence of this, Zen?

Re: Liar, liar pants on fire!

You are a three year old.  Dude, you've posted the same tired shit over and over.  If you want to keep talking to people who aren't around, carry on, you're the freak.  If you want to address zen, why don't you do it in the PV YLF forum?  You'll be sure to have his attention, instead of calling Che zen, or anyone who disagrees with you.

You're making zen look like he's the victim of a nutjob troll working for PV.  No one else would keep trying to manufacture drama that isn't there for six months.  You're a loser.

Hmm….misdirected rage a little?
A. There are different people posting about this—they’re not all me. I didn’t start this thread, or comment until recently to the bullshit intended to cover up what happened.
B. A mod somehow tracked down someone’s identity, posted it to control them, and deleted the post—that’s wrong and it can happen again
C. if you don’t feel that’s relevant. Then Don’t. Fucking. Respond, troglodyte

Touchy, touchy, Corky.  You only want Zen.  You've even quit mentioning who you think was violated, because CCM doesn't matter to you, only zen.  Present evidence that Zen did something like this:

http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.forni ... 59#p312559

or shut the fuck up.  Go find your link yourself, Corky, it'll keep you busy forever, because there's no link with CCM's info.
 
And you're the only person posting this shit unless you can prove otherwise.  You've got a clumsy, boneheaded prose style, and you're a troll, based on:

A.  You ignore questions put to you and demand others to address you.

B.  No amount of evidence shuts you up.


Some trolls piss people off, and you did that for several months.  Now you're just embarrassing yourself.  Seriously, if you think there are cover ups going on here, perhaps your paranoid personality is better suited to a moderated forum.

Do you want your own little thread  somewhere to do this shit, where you won't bother people with important things to do, precious?

For someone who thinks it’s embarrassingly wasteful to argue about zen outing ccm ya sure spend your time doing so. What, no important things to do?

Your assumptions are incorrect.

Your anger is amusing.

The one “ignoring” relevant questions is Zen, (when logged in, speaking of idiosyncratic stylings) because answering would showcases ye’ ole' bullshit, contradicting story, darling.

[Anonymous]

For someone who thinks it’s embarrassingly wasteful to argue about zen outing ccm ya *sure spend your time doing so. What, no important things to do?

*what the who does when his anger management program misses a meeting.

[ZenAgent]

Yeah, it is theWho.  Syntax and all.

You posted this:

Post a picture of her. Oh wait...

Then this:

Don't post her picture, she’s so nasty her house is quarantined
399 east drive
Oak ridge tn 37830
865 481 3383
100 Broadway ave. apt 119 oak ridge tn 37830

When you couldn't find the pictures of my daughter to post again, you got angry and posted this:

ZenAgent must be happy now. The pictures of his step daughter have been taken down. So what will he use as his excuse for why he stalked, outed , and then threatened a survivor now? He had no motivation to go after ccm, but since in his mind ccm and thewho are the same person, he thought he would be getting back at them. His wife supported him in this venture to publicly humiliate a survivor just like programs do? They need some serious family therapy, and to lay off fornits for a while, they are way too angry and directing in all the wrong directions.

Follow the times.


IMAGE HOSTING IS DOWN.  You are a troll.  Damn, you've had me on your mind all weekend.  I didn't think about you.  YOU ARE A TROLL.

How am I lying?  You're the one doctoring up posts, trying to put up pictures of survivors, and then you get all sniffy when you're denied the chance to abuse a survivor.

Again:

Do you any of the above quotes have been altered?

1. Yes.  The highlighted line in red (above post) was never in the original here (febuary post), which, as you can also see, has not been modified as there is no modificiation tag*.

2. Even if such a line was there (which it wasn't, since the post I linked to above wasn't modified), all it would show is that Zen posted CCM's first name, Miranda, which was public knowledge (something that she published on antiWWASP and on her myspace page, available by googling her username).  If the line you inserted (forged) is accurate (which it's not since the post was not modified), all it would show is that zen threatened to out CCM, but did not actually do so (and none of that even shows he even had her info).

3. Even if Zen did out CCM by providing her full name, (which he did not do, and could not have done, as detailed above), there was no harm done, as not even CCM can provide evidence that she was harmed.

I am addressing this now as I did before the server crash and that post was lost (All posts between March 10th and about June 10th).  I will not address this again.  Rather I will quote this post.

*modifications made within 5 mins of posting are not recorded.  However.  See point 2.

And again, the only link to any survivor's personal info on the Fornits Forum:

http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.forni ... 59#p312559

Posted by you.  Get some therapy.

[stoodoodog]

Just dropping in one time for some moral support...
Go ZEN GO!!!
might as well since I have been accused on this thread of stalking and harassing people.

[TheWho]

Yeah, it is theWho.  Syntax and all.

Sorry, its not me trolling you.  I was involved when it all went down but I am just sitting back watching this one.  Reminds me of the old "TheWho" thread which hosted many a trolling war in its time, similar to this one.

Check with psy, if he has the time, he knows my IP and I log in through "Proxify" because I cant log in through my own IP.  He can verify I am not in this.  I only dislike people for a short period of time, then I get over it.



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[Anonymous]

Yeah, it is theWho.  Syntax and all.

Sorry, its not me trolling you.  I was involved when it all went down but I am just sitting back watching this one.  Reminds me of the old "TheWho" thread which hosted many a trolling war in its time, similar to this one.

Check with psy, if he has the time, he knows my IP and I log in through "Proxify" because I cant log in through my own IP.  He can verify I am not in this.  I only dislike people for a short period of time, then I get over it.



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Holy shit!  No, I can't believe he...   TheWho's never been known to lie, has he?  Since you were forced to proxy up, the anon trolling by this particular freak started.  "Ya" know what I mean?

[ZenAgent]

Yeah, it is theWho.  Syntax and all.

Sorry, its not me trolling you.  I was involved when it all went down but I am just sitting back watching this one.  Reminds me of the old "TheWho" thread which hosted many a trolling war in its time, similar to this one.

Check with psy, if he has the time, he knows my IP and I log in through "Proxify" because I cant log in through my own IP.  He can verify I am not in this.  I only dislike people for a short period of time, then I get over it.



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Holy shit!  No, I can't believe he...   TheWho's never been known to lie, has he?  Since you were forced to proxy up, the anon trolling by this particular freak started.  "Ya" know what I mean?

He's lying now.  He hasn't been "watching this one" - Who, I've still got the PM PSY sent to you, CCM, and myself telling you to end your shit.  He had some vicious quotes from previous PM's you sent him.  It was obvious you've had a hand in this.  You might want to change your post, but I've already grabbed it for posterity so it can be "quoted for truth".  Like you do. 

[CCM girl 1989]

I try not to stay angry at people for too long either. It's a waste of energy. But, why is it people think it's okay for Zen to treat me the way he does calling me names, and such? Then if I say even the smallest smart ass comment towards him in retaliation they flip out? Now what's up with that?!!!

[TheWho]

He's lying now.  He hasn't been "watching this one" - Who, I've still got the PM PSY sent to you, CCM, and myself telling you to end your shit.  He had some vicious quotes from previous PM's you sent him.  It was obvious you've had a hand in this.  You might want to change your post, but I've already grabbed it for posterity so it can be "quoted for truth".  Like you do. 

All you have to do is check.  Ask psy to scan the IP's to see if it is me or point out the posts you think are mine and ask psy to verify if they are the Proxify IP or my base IP, Fairly simple.  Psy asked me to drop it in a PM he sent me and I havent been involved since.



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[Anonymous]

I try not to stay angry at people for too long either. It's a waste of energy. But, why is it people think it's okay for Zen to treat me the way he does calling me names, and such? Then if I say even the smallest smart ass comment towards him in retaliation they flip out? Now what's up with that?!!!

If anyone "flipped out" about comments made by you, it was because you were making them to Zen's kid when she tried to ask you questions.  Maybe you can't help yourself, but you come off as a terse, brittle and bitchy. And ya have a history of caustic comments, unprovoked and aimed at survivors who disagreed with you.  Do you and theWho work together or what?  You always tag team when you hit the forum.

In your words, I am a lying fucking bitch who is just god awful! You hope someone posts my information for real?!! That's not very nice. What will that accomplish? I haven't done anything to anyone.

Nah, she's a saint.  I hate to blow yer martyr charade.

Wow, that's a shocker coming home to all this! Once again, no sleep will be lost.

Fuck you all very much for your comments!

Sincerely,

CCM girl 1989

Thank you, CCM! I was debating whether or not to go for broke and do some prostitution while I still have the gear for it. I was worried what my friends and kids might think. But you've reminded me that it doesn't matter. I'll let ya know how it goes, k?
 :roll:

You know it's so tempting Ginger to just get in the ring with you (to throw insults back and forth). But, I'm not going to. You are doing a good thing here with Fornits, and I appreciate it as well as the thousands that take the time to stop by. But, sometimes the things you say make no sense. Try to be a little more open minded, and don't try to push your views on everyone here. You're coming across as the big bad bully. Not everyone thinks like you do, and nor should they. You trying to control peoples minds by not letting them state their opinions without the wrath of Ginger makes you just as bad as "THEM". Which to me makes no sense since you despise all these people we discuss here on Fornits.

Is it possible you've turned into one of them, and don't even know it?

We hear way too much from you TSW, shhhhhhhhhh. BFD!?!!! You're such a shit starter.

Put a cork in it! Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. Do, us all a favor......... and handcuff your hands behind your back if you can't control yourself. Please, pretty please! I'm begging you!!!!!!!!!!!

You're soooooooo whitty TSW, so quick, so cool, god you're a fucking idiot. No, really! You are pathetic. Get outta the house, get off the computer, go have some social interaction. Even a dogs hairy ass is better then nothing!?!! Huh? Remember one thing, and one thing only from tonights exchange. You're nothing, nada! N-A-D-A!!!!!

Why are you insulting gookie instead of talking about why you feel we should not say programs are bad, CCM?

Niles, I've given you plenty of attention before. I'm over you, moving on to bigger losers like TSW.

Niles, are you finally coming down my friend? Up all night doing drugs? You, and your speed freak buddies are not to be trusted. You've taken this site, and blown it into tiny little pieces. Nobody should even think about posting here from programs. No staff, no parents, nobody.

It's painfully obvious the only people who are wanted here are the cry babies, and the VICTIMS, go cry me a river! See how boring this all will get. Nothing to argue over when you are invading the system, and changing, deleting posts.

You fucked up my little bitch.

lols.. CCM girl is off her meds also.

Get a life fucker!

You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.

Niles, my darling little pumpkie.........YOU WERE NEVER IN A PROGRAM! You don't know shit about them. What part of that can you not get through that thick skull of yours?!! How can I make it any more clearer?

You were never there, you are not a parent of a child who went there. I am not sure how the hell you got involved in this whole thing, but you have no clue what you are talking about my friend!

Go join the KKK, or the Geek Squad? I don't care as long as you just take your anger somewhere else you little freak.

We all have had different experiences while in programs. I have every right to say how it went down in the places I attended. I do feel badly for some people who were sexually abused. But, I am just saying that nobody was ever raped at any of the places I attended.

Sounds like Rachael had some interesting experiences though?

A child (someone under the age of majority) cannot consent to a sexual experience, under the law.

You have no idea what happened to other people.  I have 2 good friends who were raped by staff while there were 2 other staff and  5 other kids in the same house.  Nobody knew anything.  Including myself.  I was there and I had no idea.  However, after it was revealed and with the benefit of hindsight I found both of them to be completely credible and myself to have been completely clueless.   As you are now.

You are one callous, cruel little bitch.

Oh really? What house, or what program were you in? Name it, and name the staff who did it. If, and when you do that, maybe I'll give you the time of day. Until then you are just another anon posting a bunch of crap.

Drama queen.

Anne,

I would agree with you that more then likely your story did bore me, and that's why I don't remember it. I didn't need you to repeat your story again, I just asked what your age was, that's all.

Niles, I just want you to know what a heartless jerk I think you are. I totally voted for us all to get together for a party on your stupid poll. I will only come though if we use you as a pinyata! I just want to take a bat, and swing at you my friend.

Zen,

I will be in your neck of the woods come Thursday! Should I come pay you a visit? You have to admit there are some of you who act totally nuts on here, and that's just stating the obvious. Sorry if you took it personally. When I come to visit you what should I look for on your forehead? What will Deb have you tattooed with?

CCM girl

Out of curiosity..... Are you a mormon???

Not that it's any of your business, but no I am not! Hey, since you live in Boca, does that make you a jew?!! LOL!!!!!

Next time I am in Delray, I'll make sure and look you up. If Deborah has it her way you'll have JEW tattooed across your forehead in no time at all. But, how on earth will I set you apart from all the other jews out there?

Anyway, I personally could care less what religion anybody on this board, or on this earth here is. What matters most to me is what kind of person you are in your heart.

Unfortunately, a lot of you on here have proven to be total assholes who most of the time like to pretend you're smarter then everyone else.

Obviously you are not my son and quite obviously the rumor mongers that try to create a "so called life" here electronically had nothing more to say when the facts and the truth of the Dundee Ranch Fiasco didn’t quite turn out to be what they thought or believed. No one has posted here for months and of course no one has posted the fact that I, Narvin Lichfield was innocent and acquitted of any charges like I had been saying from the start...even though this was made publicly evident more than 4 months ago in the press this is the first posting of it to my knowledge and it is sad I had to be the one to do it. You would think the people here so ready to "bravely" slander others trying to look like the latest savior of the children would have the courage to admit when they have rushed to judgment and destroyed another’s persons name. Obviously no such honor among thieves exists for the persons who post here over the last 5 years in my opinion are just that “thieves” as defined by the bard they …steals trash; ’tis something, nothing. ‘Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands; But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him And makes me poor indeed. Iago, Othello The Moore Of Venice, Act III Scene iii. ...it is my sincere hope that others do not treat you all with the same level of hypocrisy and poison I’ve experienced here at your hands and keyboards.. that you will never have this forced upon you over false allegations made by such needy people as Amberly Knight whose story changes every time it is told (just go check her testimony in the court documents in Colorado when she was advocating the virtues of the program against what she said in the Utah sue sheff case both were under oath) or by a now convicted pedophile in the form of Bruce Harris (Bruce was convicted of having sex with an under age boy for 3 years in central America) and as a result of a defunct pseudo-child caring organization like what we saw in Casa Alilanza that he was the director of that closed weeks after his arrest.. Karma has a way of coming around so be careful and try to treat the next guy with a little more kindness you might need it yourself some day.

Narvin,

I cannot speak for everyone here, but I for one did not set out to slander your name. I am guilty of watching the news, and reading articles on your school, and then discussing it openly. Your beef my friend, is with the media, and your former employees.

Nobody here knows you personally (I don't think??? If so then speak up). I think if you tried putting yourself in someone elses shoes besides your own, someone that did suffer abuse whether it be mentally, physically, or sexually from schools or placements similiar to yours then you could understand the anger and disgust pointed in your direction. You'd be able to empathize with them.

I'm not sure if posting this newspaper article will do much to change peoples opinion of you here on Fornits, or not? But, it's pretty much a guarantee that by saying what you said in your post, and the way you said it, people here are not going to like you even more.

I'm not even really sure why you decided to post? I am assuming that you did to basically rub everyones nose in the fact that you were found "Not Guilty". Not sure that was a good idea? Basically, in doing so you've disturbed the hive.

My advice, if you're truelly innocent........and your school, and staff are innocent........just let it go. The more you bring things up, the more you give people here something to talk about.

CCM girl 1989

Oh yeah Ganja, Psy is just so level headed. What a charming young man he is. So polite, so articulate! LOL. I just would of hated to see him without Prozac. He seems to be very angry even on meds?!! Maybe he needs to switch them? Sometimes they do need to do that because the effectivness wears off?!!

I just want to take this time to thank baby Jesus for providing Psy with Prozac. That's all, thank you again baby Jesus!!!!!

Dad Trying,

Get out while you can, LOL!!! Some of the posters here are able to give helpful advice, and that's great. But, some of them come on here to just argue till the cows come home. They love it!

Take a lot of what they have to say with a grain of salt. I try to not let them get under my skin. That's what they enjoy most. Sick, I know! But, hey that's just who they are! They can't help it, they still have a bunch of issues they have not dealt with.

Just feel sorry for them. I know I do.

The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.

I'll be starting a thread on Magnolia Criminal Center down in my own forum later. I've a few people who have expressed interest at taking a closer look at the place. Sad that an intelligent young man like Kevin could have tied his name and reputation to a place that is looking much like a standard industry duckfarm.

quack quack honk honk same old shit new face on it.

That's nice, who cares.  :roll:

ccm, no one needs you dishing out suggestions of any type of your brand of abuse, OK?  YOU AIN'T in a program now, as an upper level bitch, who gets to dispense abuse on anybody.  And anyone can say what they wish, and no one has to "put a cork in it."

Nobody HAS to put a cork in it?!! I just wish YOU would because I NEVER was some "upper level bitch"!!!! I was just quoted today by a former staff member as a total hellion when asked about me LOL!!!! You have no clue of who I was or who I am today. Remember this.......I'll dish out whatever I want, whenever I want, and how I want. So, back off bitch.

You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.

In a behavior modification facility.  33?  Well, I got at least 10 years on ya.

Yes, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.  Your solution is to lock them up?

Dumbass. :roll:

Have your opinions I will have mine. So what if you're 10 years older then me? By calling me a little girl I only assumed someone such as yourself who has the brain the size of a pea thought CCM girl 1989 meant that was the year I was born! BTW, if your 12 and getting knocked up.........um maybe you need to use a condom. Not only will it prevent that, but it could prevent you contacting an STD or HIV for god sakes.

You're not going to change my mind. It's not my job to go out there and find good treatment facilities. They do exist. You are a complete moron if you don't think they do. What, you want me on my own dime, to go out there and start investigation and locating these places for parents? And of course not make any money doing it!!!!! This whole subject is turning into a joke.

Listen here, if anyone can prove to me that Jeff Berryman is no better then WWASPS........then I would love to hear it. Show me proof!

[TheWho]

I try not to stay angry at people for too long either. It's a waste of energy. But, why is it people think it's okay for Zen to treat me the way he does calling me names, and such? Then if I say even the smallest smart ass comment towards him in retaliation they flip out? Now what's up with that?!!!

No , I can see your point,  I would be pissed too if it kept coming up.  Zen is trying to pull me back into it.  I think he enjoys the attention, but I am going to continue to sit this one out.



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[Anonymous]

I try not to stay angry at people for too long either. It's a waste of energy. But, why is it people think it's okay for Zen to treat me the way he does calling me names, and such? Then if I say even the smallest smart ass comment towards him in retaliation they flip out? Now what's up with that?!!!

No , I can see your point,  I would be pissed too if it kept coming up.  Zen is trying to pull me back into it.  I think he enjoys the attention, but I am going to continue to sit this one out.



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Two primadonna bitches.  Sounds like you've been up to your eyeballs and don't want anyone to know.  zen, post the pm with the dickhead's old messages.