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Re: HAPA
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---Ursus, wherever you get your information to satisfy your arguments is anyone's guess. I received some information the other day concerning Ursus, which was interesting and come to find out Ursus did attend a Warrior Workshop, found it to be offensive and left. It appears that the posting he has provided are of the workshop he attended, no where else has anyone heard of males fondling other males. Bravo you pervert, thanks for one more jaded post.
What happened Ursus, you went looking for a boyfriend and you got your ass kicked for fondling somebody, you became confused when they said hold hands, in the circle.
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I'm sure there is some leeway exercised in interpreting the NWTA training manual, whether intentional or unintentional, officially sanctioned or not. Fwiw, here's an account from a woman describing her husband's reaction to such an event; third hand account that it is, ya can interpret it as you see fit:
"They were all in the sweat lodge on Sunday," she says, "which he actually enjoyed. It was the first moment he had to relax in days after going through such a high-drama weekend where they pound you to reveal your deep, dark stuff. So, everyone was sitting Indian-style in a big circle in the lodge when the man leading the group said, 'If you wish, you may reach over and grab your brother's dick. If your brother doesn't want your hand there, he can remove it.' Well, my husband told me he just froze. And from that point on, he just wanted out."[/list]
Given those onerous confidentially agreements that everyone has to sign, how would anyone ever know how just how unique or how pervasive such an event might be? Maybe it was just that one facilitator. Maybe not.
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--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---Listen I don't know about anyone else here but your attempts at investigation are rather amateurish and well (stupid) really. You are a clown, Ursus. Your posts are so clearly biased, why do you even write/paste them. Have you ever had a balanced thought??????
I did the weekend that is already on the record, I have had nothing more to do with the ManKind Corp. after that weekend other then to talk with other men who attended. They have follow up groups you can attend after, I chose to not attend. In twenty years I have never heard of anyone fondling another participant in circle, ever.
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Well, for someone who allegedly has had nothing more to do with the Mankind Project for two decades you sure do seem to speak with some authority when it comes to how that organization is run, right down to procedural protocol in each and every chapter, and right up to present day events, eh?
DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---Ursus, wherever you get your information to satisfy your arguments is anyone's guess. I received some information the other day concerning Ursus, which was interesting and come to find out Ursus did attend a Warrior Workshop, found it to be offensive and left. It appears that the posting he has provided are of the workshop he attended, no where else has anyone heard of males fondling other males. Bravo you pervert, thanks for one more jaded post.
What happened Ursus, you went looking for a boyfriend and you got your ass kicked for fondling somebody, you became confused when they said hold hands, in the circle.
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I'm sure there is some leeway exercised in interpreting the NWTA training manual, whether intentional or unintentional, officially sanctioned or not. Fwiw, here's an account from a woman describing her husband's reaction to such an event; third hand account that it is, ya can interpret it as you see fit:
"They were all in the sweat lodge on Sunday," she says, "which he actually enjoyed. It was the first moment he had to relax in days after going through such a high-drama weekend where they pound you to reveal your deep, dark stuff. So, everyone was sitting Indian-style in a big circle in the lodge when the man leading the group said, 'If you wish, you may reach over and grab your brother's dick. If your brother doesn't want your hand there, he can remove it.' Well, my husband told me he just froze. And from that point on, he just wanted out."[/list]
Given those onerous confidentially agreements that everyone has to sign, how would anyone ever know how just how unique or how pervasive such an event might be? Maybe it was just that one facilitator. Maybe not.
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--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---Listen I don't know about anyone else here but your attempts at investigation are rather amateurish and well (stupid) really. You are a clown, Ursus. Your posts are so clearly biased, why do you even write/paste them. Have you ever had a balanced thought??????
I did the weekend that is already on the record, I have had nothing more to do with the ManKind Corp. after that weekend other then to talk with other men who attended. They have follow up groups you can attend after, I chose to not attend. In twenty years I have never heard of anyone fondling another participant in circle, ever.
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Well, for someone who allegedly has had nothing more to do with the Mankind Project for two decades you sure do seem to speak with some authority when it comes to how that organization is run, right down to procedural protocol in each and every chapter, and right up to present day events, eh?
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This is true Ursus I do yet You would have to admit the same (oh that's right you claim the higher ground, when you claim nothing at all) with your assertions and facts concerning MK.
Why are we arguing a benign circumstance, Ursus????????
It is tragic when anyone dies but guess what I am sure someone else will die, maybe falling down walking to the circle, some psycho will go "postal", somebody may get stung by a bee, bit by a snake, attacked by a bear ect....
I must learn not to be dragged into your narcissistic fantasies of being the great "Advocater." No one has that much authenticity/integrity.
Ursus these comments concerning grabbing another mans penis is all from your workshop, so why are you inferring that I/we explain it. "You", explain why your weekend moved/shifted to a effeminate intimacy between men, where it was OK to fondle each other genitals. I have had, at least 20 guys look at this post and no one I mean no one has heard of this. What the fuck are you bringing to the table, pussy boy...... :roflmao:
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---This is true Ursus I do yet You would have to admit the same (oh that's right you claim the higher ground, when you claim nothing at all) with your assertions and facts concerning MK.
Why are we arguing a benign circumstance, Ursus????????
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Just a guess, but maybe he doesn't consider it to be benign. Crazy, I know.
--- Quote ---It is tragic when anyone dies but guess what I am sure someone else will die, maybe falling down walking to the circle, some psycho will go "postal", somebody may get stung by a bee, bit by a snake, attacked by a bear ect....
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Well, this death may be directly attributed to the methods that were used. What you've described above, are accidents.
--- Quote ---Ursus these comments concerning grabbing another mans penis is all from your workshop, so why are you inferring that I/we explain it. "You", explain why your weekend moved/shifted to a effeminate intimacy between men, where it was OK to fondle each other genitals. I have had, at least 20 guys look at this post and no one I mean no one has heard of this. What the fuck are you bringing to the table, pussy boy...... :roflmao:
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Oh...so your "20 guys" is somehow considered proof? Shit, anyone can make anonymous claims. What is it exactly that you're asking of Ursus?
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Well, for someone who allegedly has had nothing more to do with the Mankind Project for two decades you sure do seem to speak with some authority when it comes to how that organization is run, right down to procedural protocol in each and every chapter, and right up to present day events, eh?
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This is true Ursus I do yet You would have to admit the same (oh that's right you claim the higher ground, when you claim nothing at all) with your assertions and facts concerning MK.
Why are we arguing a benign circumstance, Ursus????????
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Just a guess, but maybe he doesn't consider it to be benign. Crazy, I know.
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Yep, you reckoned rightly, Anne. I think S. Byers said it pretty well in his/her comment earlier:
S. Byers says:
Mankind Project would be laudible in its aims if its practices were not so dangerous and abusive. In using amateurs to practice psychotherapy upon unsuspecting and vulnerable men it is laying itself open to gross malpractice - ah - but men are required to sign an injury disclaimer before attending. But it takes about four years for a medical surgeon to become qualified; it takes seven years for a psychotherapist / psychologist to become qualified. Yet MKP thinks that it can train its staff in psychotherapy in a weekend. The appalling suicide mentioned in the above report is but one of a number that have been mentioned on the various forums. MKP is like the very worst of the now illegal hazing fraternities. I know of other men who have had to receive professional counselling for years after attending just one weekend with MKP. The secrecy surrounding its practices are necessary because no sane man would ever pay top dollars and volunteer to be subjected to the appalling abuse (sleep deprivation, physical abuse, mental abuse, spiritual abuse, food deprivation, extreme cold, removal of medications, etc.) that is meted out to unwitting participants on the New Warrior Training Weekends. Many of these weekends are held at Christian Camps, Kiwanis, etc., all of whom organisations I suspect haven't a clue as to what is really going on. The fact that Catholic priests are involved is even more unacceptable - but then the Catholic Church is not exactly squeaky clean over abuse is it? And having screwed up vulnerable men's minds MKP spits them out and then fails to suppport them when they have re-entry problems into the everyday world. And sadly MKP is a world wide organsiation which like a cancer has spread into schools and prisons. Thank you for your in-depth report. SB.
Posted On: Thursday, Oct. 4 2007 @ 9:56AM[/list][/list][/list]
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---It is tragic when anyone dies but guess what I am sure someone else will die, maybe falling down walking to the circle, some psycho will go "postal", somebody may get stung by a bee, bit by a snake, attacked by a bear ect....
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Well, this death may be directly attributed to the methods that were used. What you've described above, are accidents.
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Lol. Puhlease, Danny. With logic like that, who needs teh law? See S. Byers comment above.
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---Ursus these comments concerning grabbing another mans penis is all from your workshop, so why are you inferring that I/we explain it. "You", explain why your weekend moved/shifted to a effeminate intimacy between men, where it was OK to fondle each other genitals. I have had, at least 20 guys look at this post and no one I mean no one has heard of this. What the fuck are you bringing to the table, pussy boy...... :roflmao:
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Oh...so your "20 guys" is somehow considered proof? Shit, anyone can make anonymous claims. What is it exactly that you're asking of Ursus?
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Well, Danny, it seems that you or whoever from those "20 guys" is helping you with your posts here ... failed to fully read my previous post. And like I said, "ya can interpret it as you see fit." Kinda curious that you're getting all bent out of shape 'bout me quoting from some article, doncha think?
DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---This is true Ursus I do yet You would have to admit the same (oh that's right you claim the higher ground, when you claim nothing at all) with your assertions and facts concerning MK.
Why are we arguing a benign circumstance, Ursus????????
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Just a guess, but maybe he doesn't consider it to be benign. Crazy, I know.
I was being fictitious.....though I can see where I did not really let anyone know this.
--- Quote ---It is tragic when anyone dies but guess what I am sure someone else will die, maybe falling down walking to the circle, some psycho will go "postal", somebody may get stung by a bee, bit by a snake, attacked by a bear ect....
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Well, this death may be directly attributed to the methods that were used. What you've described above, are accidents.
I did not see where that was abundantly clear, either Anne. As a matter of fact nothing is really clear except that we have a death.
--- Quote ---Ursus these comments concerning grabbing another mans penis is all from your workshop, so why are you inferring that I/we explain it. "You", explain why your weekend moved/shifted to a effeminate intimacy between men, where it was OK to fondle each other genitals. I have had, at least 20 guys look at this post and no one I mean no one has heard of this. What the fuck are you bringing to the table, pussy boy...... :roflmao:
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Oh...so your "20 guys" is somehow considered proof? Shit, anyone can make anonymous claims. What is it exactly that you're asking of Ursus?
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Anne, my comments above clarify what I am asking Ursus.
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