Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Benchmark Young Adult School / Benchmark Transitions
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: ""Mike"" ---Now Ursus, you know you are not being fair to me by portraying me as coming from that place where people absolve programs. You know full well I've spent the past year taking apart the Hyde clock and putting it back together. But, and your post bears me out, suicide is not endemic to Hyde, even though Hyde is as much a brainwashing and abusing facility as any.
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You ridicule Hyde for its piss-poor academics; it would seem you like to come across as intellectually superior to everyone else here. You also like to ridicule survivors who take too long, in your estimation, to "get over it."
You actually tried to use my posting an article about the inherent pathology of Lifespring and its destructive use of psychology – as proof that Hyde could work, if it only got rid of Joe Gauld! Namely, you thought Lifespring was an example of something that was okay!
--- Quote from: ""Mike"" ---The reason I'm touchy about what strikes me as a false allegation is owing to Che Gookin, aka TheWho, aka Botched Programming, aka you name it. At exactly the same time he barged into the Hyde forum like he owned it, although he's unaffiliated with the school, and I asked him not to dishonor the memory of a certain Hyde teacher, we were hit, literally five minutes later, by a plague of incredibly vile and truly pathological polls and posts from various personae claiming to have been Hyde students sexually molested by this teacher. The idiot didn't make it too hard to figure out the author. The idiot utterly defiled our discussions, and what was a vital, vibrant, much visited forum is now a dead, smoking ruin. That's why I don't apathetically just swallow any allegation I hear on Fornits anymore. It has nothing to do with a need to absolve programs.
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Bullshit. The Hyde forum fell into disarray when you started stalking me all over fornits, misquoting me in my wake as having posted lemonparty links, calling everyone you disagreed with "Ursus," misquoting me, libeling me, and turning a discussion about Sumner Hawley's sexual involvement with returning alums into a circus about child molestation and worse.
There are other people that follow the Hyde forum than exclusively former Hyde students, what exactly did you expect to happen? I vacated myself for awhile, thinking that perhaps my posts would simply add more fuel to an already blazing fire. But you kept it up. Had you any interest in genuine discussion re. Hyde matters, you would have returned once things calmed down, but it does not appear as though you have.
I find it humorous that you link Che Gookin, TheWho, and Botched Programming with one another, since these three have distinctly different posting styles. I find it especially ironic that you would single out TheWho as – of all posters on fornits – you are most like him in your manner of obfuscation. You attempt to discredit by exaggeration, derail by taking details out of context, and ridicule and discount anything that you can get away with. One might think you simply want to argue for argument's sake.
FAIR?? Lols, don't get on your high horse to me about fairness.
dishdutyfugitive:
Mike & Ursus
I don't know either of you nor do I know anything about Hyde. It sounds like you have plenty in common. It would be encouraging to see you collaborate on that. By Ursus's description above it sounds like you both locked horns and stalemated eachother. Again, I don't know either of you and I'm not sure what my point is, but the thought of (mentioned above) of Mike stalking Ursus (whether it's true or not) seems pointless.
Isn't Fornits first and foremost a place for former students to vent? Isn't that the definition of a forum?
For those of you who can't respect the concept of free speech, for those of you who can't stand the idea of former student's gathering and exchanging dialouge you really ought to consider moving to North Korea. Or maybe fire up your time machine and head for one of the many fantastic places where free speech was punishable by death.You might not like what's said here but it ain't your sandbox. Go back to your sandbox and keep on not sharing your toys.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Ursus"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Mike"" ---Now Ursus, you know you are not being fair to me by portraying me as coming from that place where people absolve programs. You know full well I've spent the past year taking apart the Hyde clock and putting it back together. But, and your post bears me out, suicide is not endemic to Hyde, even though Hyde is as much a brainwashing and abusing facility as any.
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You ridicule Hyde for its piss-poor academics; it would seem you like to come across as intellectually superior to everyone else here. You also like to ridicule survivors who take too long, in your estimation, to "get over it."
Everyone makes fun of Hyde's piss-poor academics, you more than anyone. And yes, I think your 40-year Hyde obsession is a laughable copout for a wasted life.
You actually tried to use my posting an article about the inherent pathology of Lifespring and its destructive use of psychology – as proof that Hyde could work, if it only got rid of Joe Gauld! Namely, you thought Lifespring was an example of something that was okay!
What in the fuck are you talking about? I don't even know what Lifespring is! Post it.
--- Quote from: ""Mike"" ---The reason I'm touchy about what strikes me as a false allegation is owing to Che Gookin, aka TheWho, aka Botched Programming, aka you name it. At exactly the same time he barged into the Hyde forum like he owned it, although he's unaffiliated with the school, and I asked him not to dishonor the memory of a certain Hyde teacher, we were hit, literally five minutes later, by a plague of incredibly vile and truly pathological polls and posts from various personae claiming to have been Hyde students sexually molested by this teacher. The idiot didn't make it too hard to figure out the author. The idiot utterly defiled our discussions, and what was a vital, vibrant, much visited forum is now a dead, smoking ruin. That's why I don't apathetically just swallow any allegation I hear on Fornits anymore. It has nothing to do with a need to absolve programs.
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Bullshit. The Hyde forum fell into disarray when you started stalking me all over fornits, misquoting me in my wake as having posted lemonparty links, calling everyone you disagreed with "Ursus," misquoting me, libeling me, and turning a discussion about Sumner Hawley's sexual involvement with returning alums into a circus about child molestation and worse.
What in the fuck are you talking about? Post my stalking posts. I left the Hyde forum only once, to post, in the appropriate forum, a complaint about pornography. You posted after me. I started the SH child molester circus? Post it.
There are other people that follow the Hyde forum than exclusively former Hyde students, what exactly did you expect to happen? I vacated myself for awhile, thinking that perhaps my posts would simply add more fuel to an already blazing fire. But you kept it up. Had you any interest in genuine discussion re. Hyde matters, you would have returned once things calmed down, but it does not appear as though you have.
The Hyde forum was assigned a moderator after the blowup, who promptly deleted several of Che's posts. I don't trust it anymore.
I find it humorous that you link Che Gookin, TheWho, and Botched Programming with one another, since these three have distinctly different posting styles. I find it especially ironic that you would single out TheWho as – of all posters on fornits – you are most like him in your manner of obfuscation. You attempt to discredit by exaggeration, derail by taking details out of context, and ridicule and discount anything that you can get away with. One might think you simply want to argue for argument's sake.
As for the real identity of TheWho, reread the "Willfull Suspension of Disbelief" thread again. I'm like the Who? Demagogue.
FAIR?? Lols, don't get on your high horse to me about fairness.
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Did I say something about fairness? I pity you, dude.
Ursus:
Let's get back to the point here, namely:
--- Quote from: ""psy"" ---
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---Seems what people are trying to say is that the cause of Georges death is unknown, he might have just received a letter from an ex-girlfriend or family member that effected him emotionally. We need to remember that he was suffering prior to Benchmark. If he was working at McDonalds just prior to taking his life I am sure the anti-fast food people would blame McDonalds for his death.
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McDonalds doesn't advertise McDepressionTreatment.
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All of these places claim "cures" for all sorts of ills and misbehaviors, yet – at the very least – some of these ills are made worse. I'm saying it that way in an attempt to be broadminded, although I personally do not think anyone is helped by these places. I think it is mostly varying degrees of damage we are dealing with here.
dishdutyfugitive:
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--- Quote from: ""dishdutyfugitive"" ---Shotgun therapy (aka one size fits all, 1 shot, shock and awe intimidation/humiliation) is detrimental.
Having untrained staff yell at a group of 20 teenagers for 12 hours a week for 2 years ain't therapy.
It's eventually going to confuse a confused kid even more. TBS eblast therapy is a developmental detour. That poor kid needed to be in a legitimate program.
My heart goes out to his family and friends. I've lost 3 family members to suicide.
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I am curious. Was the suicide advertised in the paper? Obituary announcing the cause of death, time and talk a little about the persons accomplishments?
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What are you cruious about?
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