Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Benchmark Young Adult School / Benchmark Transitions
psy
psy:
--- Quote from: ""dishdutyfugitive"" ---is benchmark 70K a year?
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55k/year plus expenses (revolving fund, etc...) roughly equates to 70k a year.
Botched Programming:
What percentage of the childs tuition goes in Who's pocket???
psy:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---So we can conclude that Benchmark did not cause the boy to become suicidal, but they clearly didnt do much (or enough) to help him. As far as staff is concerned.. are you sure that none of them has completed high school and they are all addicted to heroin?
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Why don't you ask for yourself. Jayne admitted to me that some of the counselors still don't have High School diplomas and the fact that most of them are "recovering" junkies isn't exactly a state secret. Jayne claims it gives them "real world experience".
--- Quote ---This is where some parents question the credibility here. Personally I find it hard to believe, how did you verify that they did not complete high school or the heroin?
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Well. While I was in program they told me. They were particular proud of their "war stories". I'm sure some weren't exactly proud that they didn't have high school diplomas but they seemed to be quite convinced it was unnecessary to function as counselors. Jayne also admitted the high school thing later when I interviewed her In Nov of 06.
If I'm lying, why doesn't Jayne Longnecker just sue me for libel? I'd love to be able to grill her and other staff on the stand, present evidence, and prove these things in court. I've been practically screaming "PLEASE SUE ME" but she just won't do it. Ask yourself why.
--- Quote ---It is statements like these that lead the reader to believe you want to place a memorial for George, not out of respect for George, but out of disrespect for Benchmark.
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No. If anybody put a plaque up, and I had anything to say about it, it would simply be his name, and dates or birth and death. That being said, in methsville California it would probably last ten seconds before somebody ripped it off and sold it for scrap.
--- Quote ---Georges death seems to be an opportunity to further ones cause.
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Well. I can't prove to you that my motivations are sincere. Perhaps that's why you chose to question me on this. What I don't do is make a buck off dead kids' testimonials (like Seth H.)
What about you? What's your cause? Who do you work for? Why not tell us all here. It's not like it's a name or anything.
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---But that doesn't come close to outweighing the need to break the secrecy so that more kids don't have to suffer and die in secret as so many program kids have done already.
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Yes, I think it's important to prevent this kind of murder from reoccuring, but, in my opinion, the primary interest in this memorial would be to honour the victim. Sadly, we loose sight of the importance of the individual, and we feel we have to give legitimacy to honouring them, by tying it to help others, but, George, in himself, should be the primary motivation of a memorial.
Like, the memorial for webdivas' brother, by describing his martydrom, the kid is granted decency, respect, and acknowledgement of his suffering that he never was in life.
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Who are you to decide that the details of this death should remain secret? As a matter of course, all deaths are subject to investigation. I am of the opinion that deaths among program captives and vets are under-investigated.
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Exactly, it's so presumptuous. Like they have "claim" on this boys existance into eternity. THEY are the ones who use the "mask" of compassion- concern for the feelings' of the boys' family- to further their personal agenda.
Why does anyone have the right to think they are allowed to keep a death "secret", for any reason???????
It shows their lack of respect for human life; their beleif that humans are inventory to be channelled as they wish
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You are the one who never knew George was alive until he was dead. You are the one who has no drop of human feeling for him one way or the other. You are the one who wants to turn him into inventory.
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That's pretty rich for someone who advocates abducting, imprisoning, (and torturing) human beings for profit to accuse a civillian of treating people like invetory. YOU LITTERALLY TRANSFORM PEOPLE INTO INVENTORY, BOUGHT AND SOLD BY THEIR PARENTS
How the hell would i know of him until i found about him on this forum? Do you know every person in the world? Do you know every person who died in the holocaust, or in the genocide of the Native Americans?
Would starting a memorial in their honour with dates, the nature of the death, whom was responisble, and how, be "tuning them into inventory"?
Why would there be no controvesy over that, yet controversy over this?
Psy, it you put up a memoial give details. It's not fair to the kid not to. He deserves his story told.
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TheWho:
--- Quote ---You wanna back that statement up with some independently gathered statistics? Aahh... that's right. There are none, because industry members know that such statistics would likely show the "Fornits side" of the story to be more accurate. With the money they have, if such statistics could be produced, they would be (but they can't).
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We can all speculate on what the outcome of the study would be, but none of us know. Companies are not going to fund a study unless they know what they are going to do with the results, so there needs to be some sort of motivation to have the study done.
As it stands today the industry is doing well. The schools are running to near capacity, the feedback from the kids and family via oral and mail-out surveys are showing success, so how would a clinical study benefit anyone?
I think the competition between schools and programs (the struggle for market share) would have to dictate the need to perform a study to show better performance. The schools could use this data to sway parents to their program and gain an advantage over their competing schools.
But until such time as there are too many schools and too few kids then I don’t see anyone paying for clinical studies.
--- Quote --- Well. I can't prove to you that my motivations are sincere. Perhaps that's why you chose to question me on this. What I don't do is make a buck off dead kids' testimonials (like Seth H.)
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I believe you,psy, and have always thought you were fair and did the right thing. I have a hard time when people assume a child took their life because of a specific event. Kids suffer a long time and struggle with many issues before most of them succeed in taking their own life. For any of us to say it was because his girlfriend broke up with him, or a staff member at Benchmark, or some guy on the street screaming at him and calling him a loser or his parents last phone call was the last straw is a stab in the dark at best…we don’t know.
I find it hard to swallow that everytime a child takes his life, that has attended a program, then the program was automatically at fault. Kids have been committing suicide long before programs started springing up and many kids show up at the schools doorstep with a history of attempts.
--- Quote ---What about you? What's your cause? Who do you work for? Why not tell us all here. It's not like it's a name or anything.
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I have told my story many times here and why I post here. I had a daughter attend a TBS and thought I could contribute and add a long needed balance to this forum.
Someday when the industry gets cleaned up a little more and some of the anger subsides we will all get together and have a big party and talk about old times here on fornits, but for now, I think it is best to stay anonymous.
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