Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Benchmark Young Adult School / Benchmark Transitions
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stina:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---These long and complex refutations of minute points of one type or another are both amusing and tellin
And most of this thread seems to be composed of them.
For quite a number of us in the real world (ie not obsessively on fornits) the truth of various situations is reasonably apparent from the get go.
Without all the drama and righteousness, and, dare I say, paranoid delusions that underlie these quarrels and justifications and multiple re-postings of other people's (oftenhand) comments.
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Whatever you say, voice from nowhere, you've got it all dialed. I think that I'm going to instate one of the golden rules here...if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all. I reside in the real world, thank you very much, and I also happen to enjoy this forum. So sue me. Paranoid delusions? You're silly. And how interesting that you judge any of of us for being "obsessively on fornits". You're here so what does that say about you? Fornits is like crack, especially for people like me who are fairly new. And so what. How about you go back to your real world and leave the rest of us in peace. Sounds like you're just being grinchy and looking for a fight. Merry Christmas!
stina:
--- Quote from: ""dishdutyfugitive"" ---what's even gooderer is that no one cares that you don't care.
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Gooderer is next to godliernessness.
stina:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---i could never be friends with people who abused me, even if they aren't responsiblel for it mentally
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I get what you're saying. We had an unspoken code, we were there for eachother. That's why I consider myself lucky. We never abused eachother, we were just there for whatever the other person needed. That's what made it real. We got eachother.
stina:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---These long and complex refutations of minute points of one type or another are both amusing and tellin
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TellinG. T e l l i n G. Yes I am obsessed, but I'm more obsessed with what kind of asshole you must be to come on here and be negative. This is the last one though. I'm done with you.
psy:
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--- Quote from: ""psy"" ---Well. What if some cult leader had convinced you that Uranium was good for you? Yellowcake anyone?
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Who cares what some cult leader convinced Jayne to do? The buck has to stop somewhere. Jayne is running a business. It doesn't really matter if she has snow or cheese between her ears, she still has certain responsibilities inherent to running a business. Period.
If she were giving out the Benchmark wisdom by handing it out to people on a street corner for free, then you can wax poetic about whether she was snowed or is snowing. Realistically, as everyone here knows, it is more than a little of both.
Do note that there is a difference between personal culpability and professional culpability.
If a staff member's actions were outside the company norm, then that individual could be held to task, on an individual basis, for destructive actions towards George. From what I've read, those actions were within Benchmark's standard modus operandi. They were, in fact, SOP. Correct me if I am wrong here, please.
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Correct. I'm not arguing that Bencmark, or the staff involved in the incident, aren't responsible for the suicide. I'm just saying that they may not have intended to cause harm.
--- Quote ---Even in such a case, i.e., with regards to an out-of-line staff person, Benchmark would still be culpable because they did not train or supervise their staff appropriately.
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Very true. But it depends on whose view of what is appropriate training. Most folks value science, proven methods, etc... The troubled teen industry generally tends to "wing it" and use "what works" based on trial and (tragic) error. They also seem to have a somewhat different definition of "success".
--- Quote ---And they have a responsibility to do so, contractually as well as that just inherent to running any kind of business.
When Larry Dubinsky could not be dissuaded from keeping his pawing fingers off of female students at Hyde, and a parent sued, both Larry Dubinsky and Hyde School were deemed culpable. Dubinsky's actions were beyond the pale – individual culpability, both personal as well as professional (he was faculty, even dean of Students at one point). Meanwhile, Hyde was not only negligent in that they were not able to keep him in check (they apparently did not try, probably because they did not take the years of complaints seriously)
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If the staff member was doing anything remotely like you describe, there should have never even been an attempt to keep him in check. He should have been immediately fired, arrested, and prosecuted. Perhaps the school thought that he could be convinced to stop doing what he was doing (avoiding embarrassment for the school).
--- Quote ---but also since they continued to require contact between the Plaintiff and Dubinsky even after formal complaints were made.
Note that what I said above has to do with legal justice, which is but a crude approximation of true moral justice.
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Very true.
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