Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Benchmark Young Adult School / Benchmark Transitions
psy
TheWho:
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--- Quote from: ""stina"" ---........ Yeah he probably was suffering prior to Benchmark, but the POINT IS that Benchmark did not help him. Obviously. I don't know what happened on that day, but that's NOT the point. These places are supposed to help children, they're not supposed to be just a holding pen, or worse a place for impotent adults to find some kind of power. And your weak Mcdonalds comparison, well, working somewhere voluntarily and being placed somewhere against your will with your civil rights ripped away from you and no one to count on are completely different animals.
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The McDonalds wasn’t a good analogy, I agree. The point I was trying to make was the guy showed up at Benchmark and he was suicidal and eventually committed suicide. I can see that it is determined that Benchmark did not help him enough to prevent this, but they cant be held responsible for his death. We don’t know what triggered it… a letter from his girl friend or phone call from a family member, staff member not being compassionate etc. It could be anything, so this isn’t a death we can attribute to the program, friend, staff member, boss at his job....
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Right...and you know this HOW? You make all sorts of statements like they're fact, but the reality is that most of us didn't know George, we don't know what his state of mind was when sent to Benchmark, or who he was as a person, he may or may not have been suicidal, but without all of the facts you absolutely CANNOT absolve Benchmark for whatever their responsibility may be.
I don't know what your deal is, why do you have such a raging hard on to try to deflect any accountability these programs should take for the havoc and cruelty and pain they've wreaked on minors? I got lucky in the sense in that I was never sexually abused, or beaten, or restrained, and after the first year spent at RMA I decided to just deal with it and try to come out of there with something worthwhile. And I did. And I didn't. I have good friends from there to this day. At the same time, those places change the way your mind works. Period. It's hard to come back out into the real world. Adjustment sucks, especially when the school does nothing to prepare you for post-graduation life, they actually expect you to fall flat on your face and you're not allowed to have any contact with your friends still at the school for 6 months. I'm sorry, but isn't that just a tad hypocritical?
Whatever, I've rambled at you long enough. I just don't understand how you can read some of the posts on here about the unbelievable cruelty that has been inflicted and still try to push whatever agenda it is that you're pushing. You have no business being here.
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psy mentioned he was suicidal when he showed up on Benchmarks doorstep.
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And? Go away.
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He is right, psy did say that George showed up at Benchmark and was suicidal. You should go back and reread the thread.
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""stina"" ---........ Yeah he probably was suffering prior to Benchmark, but the POINT IS that Benchmark did not help him. Obviously. I don't know what happened on that day, but that's NOT the point. These places are supposed to help children, they're not supposed to be just a holding pen, or worse a place for impotent adults to find some kind of power. And your weak Mcdonalds comparison, well, working somewhere voluntarily and being placed somewhere against your will with your civil rights ripped away from you and no one to count on are completely different animals.
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The McDonalds wasn’t a good analogy, I agree. The point I was trying to make was the guy showed up at Benchmark and he was suicidal and eventually committed suicide. I can see that it is determined that Benchmark did not help him enough to prevent this, but they cant be held responsible for his death. We don’t know what triggered it… a letter from his girl friend or phone call from a family member, staff member not being compassionate etc. It could be anything, so this isn’t a death we can attribute to the program, friend, staff member, boss at his job....
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Right...and you know this HOW? You make all sorts of statements like they're fact, but the reality is that most of us didn't know George, we don't know what his state of mind was when sent to Benchmark, or who he was as a person, he may or may not have been suicidal, but without all of the facts you absolutely CANNOT absolve Benchmark for whatever their responsibility may be.
I don't know what your deal is, why do you have such a raging hard on to try to deflect any accountability these programs should take for the havoc and cruelty and pain they've wreaked on minors? I got lucky in the sense in that I was never sexually abused, or beaten, or restrained, and after the first year spent at RMA I decided to just deal with it and try to come out of there with something worthwhile. And I did. And I didn't. I have good friends from there to this day. At the same time, those places change the way your mind works. Period. It's hard to come back out into the real world. Adjustment sucks, especially when the school does nothing to prepare you for post-graduation life, they actually expect you to fall flat on your face and you're not allowed to have any contact with your friends still at the school for 6 months. I'm sorry, but isn't that just a tad hypocritical?
Whatever, I've rambled at you long enough. I just don't understand how you can read some of the posts on here about the unbelievable cruelty that has been inflicted and still try to push whatever agenda it is that you're pushing. You have no business being here.
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psy mentioned he was suicidal when he showed up on Benchmarks doorstep.
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And? Go away.
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He is right, psy did say that George showed up at Benchmark and was suicidal. You should go back and reread the thread.
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the issue is, though, how does he know this. Benchmark hardly gives accurate descriptions of detainees, and nor do many health"professionals", not that ti matters that much
stina:
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--- Quote from: ""stina"" ---........ Yeah he probably was suffering prior to Benchmark, but the POINT IS that Benchmark did not help him. Obviously. I don't know what happened on that day, but that's NOT the point. These places are supposed to help children, they're not supposed to be just a holding pen, or worse a place for impotent adults to find some kind of power. And your weak Mcdonalds comparison, well, working somewhere voluntarily and being placed somewhere against your will with your civil rights ripped away from you and no one to count on are completely different animals.
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The McDonalds wasn’t a good analogy, I agree. The point I was trying to make was the guy showed up at Benchmark and he was suicidal and eventually committed suicide. I can see that it is determined that Benchmark did not help him enough to prevent this, but they cant be held responsible for his death. We don’t know what triggered it… a letter from his girl friend or phone call from a family member, staff member not being compassionate etc. It could be anything, so this isn’t a death we can attribute to the program, friend, staff member, boss at his job....
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Right...and you know this HOW? You make all sorts of statements like they're fact, but the reality is that most of us didn't know George, we don't know what his state of mind was when sent to Benchmark, or who he was as a person, he may or may not have been suicidal, but without all of the facts you absolutely CANNOT absolve Benchmark for whatever their responsibility may be.
I don't know what your deal is, why do you have such a raging hard on to try to deflect any accountability these programs should take for the havoc and cruelty and pain they've wreaked on minors? I got lucky in the sense in that I was never sexually abused, or beaten, or restrained, and after the first year spent at RMA I decided to just deal with it and try to come out of there with something worthwhile. And I did. And I didn't. I have good friends from there to this day. At the same time, those places change the way your mind works. Period. It's hard to come back out into the real world. Adjustment sucks, especially when the school does nothing to prepare you for post-graduation life, they actually expect you to fall flat on your face and you're not allowed to have any contact with your friends still at the school for 6 months. I'm sorry, but isn't that just a tad hypocritical?
Whatever, I've rambled at you long enough. I just don't understand how you can read some of the posts on here about the unbelievable cruelty that has been inflicted and still try to push whatever agenda it is that you're pushing. You have no business being here.
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psy mentioned he was suicidal when he showed up on Benchmarks doorstep.
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And? Go away.
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Yes, I am aware of that, thanks. My annoyance stemmed from that being the point he decided to go with. And if you read the rest of his posts from there on out, he proves himself to be an ass. That's all.
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""stina"" ---
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---
--- Quote from: ""stina"" ---........ Yeah he probably was suffering prior to Benchmark, but the POINT IS that Benchmark did not help him. Obviously. I don't know what happened on that day, but that's NOT the point. These places are supposed to help children, they're not supposed to be just a holding pen, or worse a place for impotent adults to find some kind of power. And your weak Mcdonalds comparison, well, working somewhere voluntarily and being placed somewhere against your will with your civil rights ripped away from you and no one to count on are completely different animals.
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The McDonalds wasn’t a good analogy, I agree. The point I was trying to make was the guy showed up at Benchmark and he was suicidal and eventually committed suicide. I can see that it is determined that Benchmark did not help him enough to prevent this, but they cant be held responsible for his death. We don’t know what triggered it… a letter from his girl friend or phone call from a family member, staff member not being compassionate etc. It could be anything, so this isn’t a death we can attribute to the program, friend, staff member, boss at his job....
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Right...and you know this HOW? You make all sorts of statements like they're fact, but the reality is that most of us didn't know George, we don't know what his state of mind was when sent to Benchmark, or who he was as a person, he may or may not have been suicidal, but without all of the facts you absolutely CANNOT absolve Benchmark for whatever their responsibility may be.
I don't know what your deal is, why do you have such a raging hard on to try to deflect any accountability these programs should take for the havoc and cruelty and pain they've wreaked on minors? I got lucky in the sense in that I was never sexually abused, or beaten, or restrained, and after the first year spent at RMA I decided to just deal with it and try to come out of there with something worthwhile. And I did. And I didn't. I have good friends from there to this day. At the same time, those places change the way your mind works. Period. It's hard to come back out into the real world. Adjustment sucks, especially when the school does nothing to prepare you for post-graduation life, they actually expect you to fall flat on your face and you're not allowed to have any contact with your friends still at the school for 6 months. I'm sorry, but isn't that just a tad hypocritical?
Whatever, I've rambled at you long enough. I just don't understand how you can read some of the posts on here about the unbelievable cruelty that has been inflicted and still try to push whatever agenda it is that you're pushing. You have no business being here.
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psy mentioned he was suicidal when he showed up on Benchmarks doorstep.
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And? Go away.
--- End quote ---
Yes, I am aware of that, thanks. My annoyance stemmed from that being the point he decided to go with. And if you read the rest of his posts from there on out, he proves himself to be an ass. That's all.
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These long and complex refutations of minute points of one type or another are both amusing and tellin
And most of this thread seems to be composed of them.
For quite a number of us in the real world (ie not obsessively on fornits) the truth of various situations is reasonably apparent from the get go.
Without all the drama and righteousness, and, dare I say, paranoid delusions that underlie these quarrels and justifications and multiple re-postings of other people's (oftenhand) comments.
TheWho:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""stina"" ---
--- Quote from: ""stina"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""stina"" ---
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---
--- Quote from: ""stina"" ---........ Yeah he probably was suffering prior to Benchmark, but the POINT IS that Benchmark did not help him. Obviously. I don't know what happened on that day, but that's NOT the point. These places are supposed to help children, they're not supposed to be just a holding pen, or worse a place for impotent adults to find some kind of power. And your weak Mcdonalds comparison, well, working somewhere voluntarily and being placed somewhere against your will with your civil rights ripped away from you and no one to count on are completely different animals.
--- End quote ---
The McDonalds wasn’t a good analogy, I agree. The point I was trying to make was the guy showed up at Benchmark and he was suicidal and eventually committed suicide. I can see that it is determined that Benchmark did not help him enough to prevent this, but they cant be held responsible for his death. We don’t know what triggered it… a letter from his girl friend or phone call from a family member, staff member not being compassionate etc. It could be anything, so this isn’t a death we can attribute to the program, friend, staff member, boss at his job....
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Right...and you know this HOW? You make all sorts of statements like they're fact, but the reality is that most of us didn't know George, we don't know what his state of mind was when sent to Benchmark, or who he was as a person, he may or may not have been suicidal, but without all of the facts you absolutely CANNOT absolve Benchmark for whatever their responsibility may be.
I don't know what your deal is, why do you have such a raging hard on to try to deflect any accountability these programs should take for the havoc and cruelty and pain they've wreaked on minors? I got lucky in the sense in that I was never sexually abused, or beaten, or restrained, and after the first year spent at RMA I decided to just deal with it and try to come out of there with something worthwhile. And I did. And I didn't. I have good friends from there to this day. At the same time, those places change the way your mind works. Period. It's hard to come back out into the real world. Adjustment sucks, especially when the school does nothing to prepare you for post-graduation life, they actually expect you to fall flat on your face and you're not allowed to have any contact with your friends still at the school for 6 months. I'm sorry, but isn't that just a tad hypocritical?
Whatever, I've rambled at you long enough. I just don't understand how you can read some of the posts on here about the unbelievable cruelty that has been inflicted and still try to push whatever agenda it is that you're pushing. You have no business being here.
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psy mentioned he was suicidal when he showed up on Benchmarks doorstep.
--- End quote ---
And? Go away.
--- End quote ---
Yes, I am aware of that, thanks. My annoyance stemmed from that being the point he decided to go with. And if you read the rest of his posts from there on out, he proves himself to be an ass. That's all.
--- End quote ---
These long and complex refutations of minute points of one type or another are both amusing and tellin
And most of this thread seems to be composed of them.
For quite a number of us in the real world (ie not obsessively on fornits) the truth of various situations is reasonably apparent from the get go.
Without all the drama and righteousness, and, dare I say, paranoid delusions that underlie these quarrels and justifications and multiple re-postings of other people's (oftenhand) comments.
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Seems we have come full circle and can agree we do not know the cause of George taking his own life. He was troubled when he came to Benchmark and Benchmark was unable to help him. Whether George felt Benchmark was responsible or some other event in his life was, we will never know. All we do know is that George suffered greatly and could not find a solution to his pain other than ending his own life.
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