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I'm headed off to get my daughter from sage walk
Anonymous:
well, i just found this
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21315
TheWho:
--- Quote ---Because seeking out a forum for kids who were tortured by cults to post about the wonderful experience your kid had in a wilderness program is not something people do.
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We don’t know if she did that or what forums she has posted on. If you asked her I bet she wouldn’t even know where to find a forum which talks about kids being tortured in cults, let alone wanting to post there. I know, as a parent, I would have no interest at all.
--- Quote ---Becasue the "improved her self esteem by leaps and bounds to accomplish things shes never dreamed of doing" statement is ludicrous. Being abducted, and held prisoner, even going volentarily to camp, doesn't create such a reaction.
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Doesn’t sound like you know very much about Therapeutic schools or Wilderness programs because what the mother is describing is pretty much the norm.
--- Quote ---I became a model and was featured in national magazines. Even that didn't "raise my self esteem by leaps and bounds to accomplish things she never dreamed of doing." Unless this girl is high on cocaine, people do not have about faces that intense where their personailty changes completely for the better.
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Being a model and on magazines does not raise your self esteem (working with these people you must know this). Actors, actresses, comediennes and models typically have low self esteem problems, especially models because models don’t feel they have accomplished anything personally, everything they have to show is genetically given to them so they don’t feel a sense of accomplishment. If a person was born with six fingers on one hand he may become famous and be featured on Jay Leno, but I don’t think this would gain him self esteem.
If you have ever seen a young kid start a fire from scratch for the first time and cook his/her own meal or help another hiker to conserve water you might know what the mother is talking about. These kids go thru a tremendous turnaround.
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Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---
--- Quote ---Because seeking out a forum for kids who were tortured by cults to post about the wonderful experience your kid had in a wilderness program is not something people do.
--- End quote ---
We don’t know if she did that or what forums she has posted on. If you asked her I bet she wouldn’t even know where to find a forum which talks about kids being tortured in cults, let alone wanting to post there. I know, as a parent, I would have no interest at all.
--- Quote ---Becasue the "improved her self esteem by leaps and bounds to accomplish things shes never dreamed of doing" statement is ludicrous. Being abducted, and held prisoner, even going volentarily to camp, doesn't create such a reaction.
--- End quote ---
Doesn’t sound like you know very much about Therapeutic schools or Wilderness programs because what the mother is describing is pretty much the norm.
--- Quote ---I became a model and was featured in national magazines. Even that didn't "raise my self esteem by leaps and bounds to accomplish things she never dreamed of doing." Unless this girl is high on cocaine, people do not have about faces that intense where their personailty changes completely for the better.
--- End quote ---
Being a model and on magazines does not raise your self esteem (working with these people you must know this). Actors, actresses, comediennes and models typically have low self esteem problems, especially models because models don’t feel they have accomplished anything personally, everything they have to show is genetically given to them so they don’t feel a sense of accomplishment. If a person was born with six fingers on one hand he may become famous and be featured on Jay Leno, but I don’t think this would gain him self esteem.
If you have ever seen a young kid start a fire from scratch for the first time and cook his/her own meal or help another hiker to conserve water you might know what the mother is talking about. These kids go thru a tremendous turnaround.
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Yeah, being in magazines won't improve your self esteem, but learning how to start a fire from scratch will. Makes sense :roll:
Ok, how about this. I never had friends. Finally made one. Still my self esteem didn't rise by leaps and bounds this didn't "raised my self esteem by leaps and bounds to accomplish things she never dreamed of doing"
I was seriously injured and unsure if I could walk again, I underwent a long bout of pt, went back to normal, basically. This didn't "raised my self esteem by leaps and bounds to accomplish things she never dreamed of doing" Yet, I was doing hard work to improve myself
Your personality can't be remade for the better in 60 days at a camp. It can't even be remade by finally having a friend after 13 years of isolation. A personality change of that nature is a ludicrous concept.
However, kids are told if they don’t renounce their former selves and show that they have lots of self esteem and have been saved, more or less, by the wilderness program, then they’ll go to a private prison where they will continue “treatmentâ€
TheWho:
--- Quote --- Yeah, being in magazines won't improve your self esteem, but learning how to start a fire from scratch will. Makes sense
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Exactly Right!! Sounds like you would like to be in magazines…. If a person has been told they are pretty their entire lives and then final gets on the cover of a magazine it may not be a big deal. Take kid who has been hiking and fishing since they could remember… building a fire would not raise his self esteem.
But the models self esteem may be raised by leaps and bounds if she accomplished something outside her comfort zone like scoring high on her SATs. The boy who hiked a lot growing up may get a jolt from rebuilding a set of breaks, all by himself, on his first car.
For a person who didn’t have any friends for 13 years and then finally makes a good friend can raise your self esteem tremendously. Because it didn’t work out that way for you doesn’t mean it doesn’t for other people, there are many other factors which influence self esteem. There are kids who are suffering from depression and other conditions which may prevent them from fully benefitting.
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Anonymous:
Show of hands, who else is just scrolling past his bullshit at this point?
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