Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
I'm headed off to get my daughter from sage walk
Anne Bonney:
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--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---The parents do know what type of place they are sending their kids after they have done the research and decided on a program. The majority of parents looking for a place for their children are not considering "military style boot camps" which is what your article is talking about, these are usually court ordered kids. It has nothing to do with TBS. I have read stories of what goes on in GITMO but that doesn’t relate to TBS's either.
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Just for your information Straight, The Seed, Synanon, Kids Helping Kids, Growing Together, etc were not Military Style Boot Camps as you put it. They are were/are considered Adolescent Treatment Centers and nothing more, however we have gathered here on Fornits to spread the truth over lies..... We have had first hand experience from an inpatient/hostage standpoint in these facilities.
And as far as being court ordered, well not all the victims were court ordered, in fact only a small percent and to boot the program coerced a major portion of the parents to have the kid court ordered.
http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2004-12 ... g-together
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Yep. Straight was considered to be the latest and greatest in drug addiction and teen behavior problems. Hell, Nancy Reagan came to visit while I was there. Later on she brough Princess Di up to the Virginia program because they were so impressed with Straight and specifically Newton.
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Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Hmmmm.... How does TheWho know about the hard work of doing things for oneself? He was a trust-fund baby and given everything he has ever had.
Also, where were these "positive results" when TheWho's daughter came home and was engaged in heavy drinking and drug use, according to TheWho, "witihin hours of getting home"? Sounds fishy. TheWho is holding out this utter failure as success?
He also didn't mention that his daughter fell on her face after "wilderness" and another forced stay at ASR for an additional 16 months. How two programs over two years can be spun as "success" when the kid gets fucked up on drugs and booze as soon as she steps off the bus is beyond me.
He also "forgot" to mention that his kid cut him off completely from her life and will not any longer see or talk to him. Sure sounds like "success," alright!
People need to keep TheWho in perspective.
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:nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy:
I'd say that sums his situation up. LGATs work wonders, huh? Eh, thought reform is thought reform. Sad really. At least the daughter's away from it now. They'll probably end up like my father and I did. What a shame.
::noway:: [sigh]
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The daughter doesn't exist. “Thewhoâ€
Anonymous:
(1) Why are the kids not allowed to stay at their own homes?
(2) Why are the kids not in a normal public style school?
(3) Why are they limited to who they can talk to?
(4) Why are they not allowed to go hit the malls, go to the movies with their friends, have sleepovers like normal teens?
(5) Why do they have to endure a situation that will cause PTSD that will last them a lifetime?
Let's try this again:
1) They can't stay in their own homes because the kids have abused the priviledge, while probably abusing each person in the home, so egregiously, that the parents, most likely in conjunction with several professionals, thought it was BEST to put the child in a therapeutic environment outside the home where the child feels entitled to privledges, and has grown accustomed to abusing everyone.
2) The kids are not in public school because they have abused the priviledge of receiving a public education, usually by failing academically, skipping school, scoffing at school rules and authority figures, and so on. The kids probably had I am special "plans" and accommodations, but continued to abuse and ignore them.
3) These kids are limited in who they can talk to because they make bad decisions about who to talk to, and often because they manipulate who they talk to for personal gain, probably with negative consequences. There is likely a pattern of repeated behavior in this regard.
4) Why can't they "hit the malls, go to movies and have sleepovers like normal teens"? Are you kidding me? Basically, because these kids are NOT normal teens. See items 1-3 above.
5) Why do they have to endure something that will cause PTSD? What a loaded, bullshit question. PTSD has no specific cause. It is a somewhat subjective disorder. Five women might get raped, but only 1 have PTSD, for example. Then again, a weaker-minded person might have to clean their room the same day they got a zit, and decide they have PTSD. You sound like the latter.
Grow up, dude.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "thewho?" ---(1) Why are the kids not allowed to stay at their own homes?
(2) Why are the kids not in a normal public style school?
(3) Why are they limited to who they can talk to?
(4) Why are they not allowed to go hit the malls, go to the movies with their friends, have sleepovers like normal teens?
(5) Why do they have to endure a situation that will cause PTSD that will last them a lifetime?
Let's try this again:
1) They can't stay in their own homes because the kids have abused the priviledge, while probably abusing each person in the home, so egregiously, that the parents, most likely in conjunction with several professionals, thought it was BEST to put the child in a therapeutic environment outside the home where the child feels entitled to privledges, and has grown accustomed to abusing everyone.
2) The kids are not in public school because they have abused the priviledge of receiving a public education, usually by failing academically, skipping school, scoffing at school rules and authority figures, and so on. The kids probably had I am special "plans" and accommodations, but continued to abuse and ignore them.
3) These kids are limited in who they can talk to because they make bad decisions about who to talk to, and often because they manipulate who they talk to for personal gain, probably with negative consequences. There is likely a pattern of repeated behavior in this regard.
4) Why can't they "hit the malls, go to movies and have sleepovers like normal teens"? Are you kidding me? Basically, because these kids are NOT normal teens. See items 1-3 above.
5) Why do they have to endure something that will cause PTSD? What a loaded, bullshit question. PTSD has no specific cause. It is a somewhat subjective disorder. Five women might get raped, but only 1 have PTSD, for example. Then again, a weaker-minded person might have to clean their room the same day they got a zit, and decide they have PTSD. You sound like the latter.
Grow up, dude.
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:agree: :feedtrolls: Thanks for keeping attention on this gulag interning and tortuing innocent American citizens. Love the equation of the trauma from rape to the "trauma" from a zit. Yep, these traumas are totally the same depending how weak your mind is!
Pile of Dead Kids:
Oh wow, going through old posts is finding some super gems.
Funny how Whooter stopped talking about Sagewalk right after a kid got killed there and the place was shut down indefinitely, huh?
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---The overwhelming majority of kids that go thru Sagewalk do well and move on with their lives but there are always the few that leave early or do not benefit from the program and come on to fornits to try to make it seem like it is abusive.
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Yuppers! Sergey Blashchishen sure did well, didn't he? He got out of the program early!
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