Author Topic: Robert A. Hawkins/ mall shooting/Thayer Learning Center? (Read 12061 times)

TheWho · « **Reply #45 on:** December 07, 2007, 08:57:04 PM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

Quote from: ""TheWho""
Thanks for posting that Ursusâ€¦â€¦That is really sad, it looked like things were finally getting better for himâ€¦ then quickly lost his girlfriend, his job and along with his psychiatric problems he just went downhillâ€¦

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can someone shoot this monster? In or out of the mall?

You should have read the whole thing, the kid is already dead. He killed himself at the end.

Anonymous · « **Reply #46 on:** December 07, 2007, 09:11:32 PM »

I was talking about the who..sorry if i didnt make that clear. I have no problem with the kid

seamus · « **Reply #47 on:** December 07, 2007, 10:06:13 PM »

and no thanks to straight inc goes I

Anonymous · « **Reply #48 on:** December 07, 2007, 10:31:15 PM »

Quote from: ""Ursus""

Hawkins had been hospitalized twice for psychiatric problems before being admitted May 18, 2002, to Piney Ridge Center in Waynesville, Mo., for "homicidal threats he made to his stepmother."

http://www.restoringfamily.com/index.ph ... gram&id=85

Ursus · « **Reply #49 on:** December 08, 2007, 12:46:59 AM »

That site, Restoring Family, claims to have info on "over 350 Residential Programs and 5980 Counselors," although I suspect those numbers are a bit inflated. It seems almost like a site of the ilk of StringalongTeens, but smaller/less developed and geared more towards the Bible-thumping crowd. Still quite a lot of overlap. See their About-Us page below.

I'd like to know what that "first substance abuse treatment program for adjudicated teens in Western Canada" that he "helped design and implement" is (AARC? or something smaller?). Plus that "36-bed residential care facility for boys and girls ages 13-18 years" in Denver, Colorado that he further honed his chops on...

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About Us

Restoring Family was developed to simplify the search process for treatment options for children, teens, and young adults. As the need for therapeutic care increases in our community many organizations have rushed in to the field to meet these expressed needs. As a result, there are more programs than ever that represent a wide array of qualifications, locations, and costs. Restoring Family's desire is to provide parents with a free alternative that enables parents to find and select the most appropriate treatment options within their financial constraints.

John De Vries
Program Consultant

MA in Counseling Psychology (Trinity Western University)
BA in Physical Education, Psychology and Education (Trinity Western University)
Diploma of Biblical Studies (Briercrest Bible College)

John is an enthusiastic counselor who has worked with teens, college students and their families for the past sixteen years in a variety of capacities. He helped design and implement the first substance abuse treatment program for adjudicated teens in Western Canada. He invested nine years in this facility and was responsible for a wide variety of therapeutic tasks, including the development and execution of treatment plans in conjunction with the youths' probation officers, social workers, and parents. He provided therapeutic services in the counseling department of Trinity Western University for two years before moving his family to Denver, Colorado where he spent three years working as a family counselor in a 36-bed residential care facility for boys and girls ages 13-18 years. Over the course of those three years he was promoted to Director of Counseling and then to Program Director where he spent another three years overseeing the program. As the Director, he was responsible for the well being of the students, supervising and managing the Director of counseling, staff counselors, school teachers, and house staff. He also oversaw the licensure of the program with the State of Colorado and was expected to be familiar with the other treatment programs in United States and any cutting edge therapeutic techniques that were being developed. John has visited many other program sites and has attended a number of conferences designed to highlight various counseling services. He has a good sense of what is available in the counseling industry and what attributes are a mark of quality.

John has always had an intense desire to help families and to challenge young men and women to accomplish great things in their lives. He uses a strength-based approach to counseling, believing that parents often have more ability than they might believe to manage and guide their own families. John's hope is that while he might not be able to reduce the struggles one faces in life, he can teach and empower people to carry the load more easily. Nothing exemplifies this belief more than his willingness to bicycle across the United States with four drug-using teens in an attempt to help them discover what was possible in their lives. Throughout his career John has also guided the care-givers of the future by training graduate interns and undergraduate practicum students from a variety of colleges and universities. John is excited to share his experience and assist hurting families in need of guidance and support.

Anonymous · « **Reply #50 on:** December 08, 2007, 01:23:06 AM »

Can't find Deb's list but this is the closest I've been able to get.

1980
There were 0 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 7 Accidents, 0 Other----- 7 Total

1982
There were 0 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 1 Other, unknown----- 1 Total

1984
There were 0 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 2 Other, Medical Neglect----- 2 Total

1985
There were 0 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 1 Accidents, 0 Other----- 1 Total

1988
There were 2 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 1 Accidents, 0 Other----- 3 Total

1989
There were 4 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 0 Other----- 4 Total

1990
There were 4 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 4 Accidents, 0 Other----- 8 Total

1991
There were 1 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 0 Other----- 1 Total

1992
There were 1 Homicides, 2 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 0 Other----- 3 Total

1993
There were 5 Homicides, 1 Suicide Attempt, 0 Accidents, 0 Other----- 5 Total

1994
There were 3 Homicides, 1 Suicides, 1 Accidents, 4 Other, Medical Neglect, Unknown----- 9 Total

1995
There were 2 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 1 Accidents, 0 Other----- 3 Total

1996
There were 5 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 0 Other----- 5 Total

1997
There were 7 Homicides, 1 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 0 Other----- 8 Total

1998
There were 7 Homicides, 5 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 3 Other,Medical Neglect----- 15 Total

1999
There were 5 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 1 Other, Medical Neglect ----- 6 Total

2000
There wre 9 Homicides, 3 Suicides, 1 Accidents, 0 Other----- 13 Total

2001
There were 3 Homicides, 3 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 3 Other, Medical Neglect----- 9 Total

2002
There were 4 Homicides, 1 Suicides, 2 Accidents, 2 Other----- 9 Total

2003
There were 3 Homicides, 0 Suicides, 1 Accidents, 2 Other, Unknown----- 6 Total

2004
There were 1 Homicides, 2 Suicides, 1 Accidents, 2 Other, Medical Neglect----- 6 Total

2005
There were 3 Homicides, 3 Suicides, 1 Accidents, 5 Other, Medical Neglect, Unknown----- 12 Total

2006
There were 4 Homicides, 3 Suicides, 1 Accidents, 6 Other, Medical Neglect, Unknown----- 15 Total

2007
There were to date, 2 Homicides, 1 Suicides, 0 Accidents, 1 Other, Medical Neglect----- 4 Total

Grand Total----- 155 Known Deaths
Unknown Deaths, Accidents, Injuries, Assaults, Sexual inpropriaties, Hazing-----

?

http://www.isaccorp.org/deaths.asp
http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org/INMEMORIAM.html
http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Deaths%20Main.htm

(And not counting the latest butchery at the mall.)

Ursus · « **Reply #51 on:** December 08, 2007, 02:03:01 AM »

Expanding the page from Restoring Family more relevant to Robert Hawkins and this thread, namely, Piney Ridge...

An aside: the website noted for Piney Ridge is NG; I fiddled with a few versions of the name to no avail. Other sites noting the facility are Addiction/Drug Rehab and Therapy oriented listing sites. One of them noted that it was "a business in the SAMSHA Drug and Alcohol Rehab Programs category." Some job listings for licensed therapists describes the organization as having facilities at Cave Springs and Fayetteville, AR. I am assuming that this is the same or a closely related organization. The contact addy for said listings would indicate that their website is www.pineyridge.net , however, it is nonfunctional at the moment.

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Inpatient - Residential Treatment

Description: Piney Ridge Center is a 60 bed adolescent treatment facility ages 12-19. We treat a variety of mental illness to include psychiatric, substance abuse and sexual offending.

Program Info:
800 772 5354
Fax: 573-774-2907
[url=http://www.pineyridgecenterinc.com]http://www.pineyridgecenterinc.com

Mailing Address:
1000 Hospital Rd
Waynesville, MO 65583

Physical Location:
Same as mailing address

Contact Person:
Rachel Sanchez
573-774-5353 ext 190

Address:
1000 Hospital Rd
Waynesville, MO 65583

About Program:
Staff to client ratio: 1:4
Staff credentials: LPC, M.D, PsyD., PLPC, CIT
Licensed within state: Yes
Accredited school on site: Yes

Cost per day: $250 - $400
Financial assistance available: No

Spiritual component: No
Christian programming: No
Family counseling available: Yes
Able to conduct physical restraint: Yes

Services:
secure facility
capable of using physical restraint
doctor on staff
ability to dispense medication
uses a token economy to reinforce social skills
accredited school on property
recreation program
family therapy
life skills programming
12 step programming

About Clients:
Gender: Male and Female
Typical age: 12 and under, 13-17, 18-25
Number of clients at facility: 50+
Average length of stay: 3 to 6 Months
Placed by judicial system: Sometimes

Willing participation required: No
Minimum acceptable motivation: Unaware of a need for change

Presenting Problems:
Maximum acceptable levels of client's problem entrenchment at this facility. See Key* below. In other words, how intense are the problems of people involved with this program or facility.

* Involvement KEY

0 - No involvement in the problem area.
1 - Minimal involvement in the problem area, resulting in only a few symptoms. Daily functioning is not affected.
2 - Moderate involvement in the problem area but only somewhat impairs normal functioning.
3 - Frequent involvement in the problem area and is demonstrating impairment in daily functioning.
4 - Involvement in the problem has begun to create severe symptoms and the client is unable to solve problems on their own, but can discuss in a reasonable manner.
5 - Involvement in the problem has begun to create extremely severe symptoms and daily demands have become difficult to meet.
6 - The problem has become totally incapacitating and the lack of stability is causing a concern for the safety of the client and others.[/list]

Ursus · « **Reply #52 on:** December 08, 2007, 03:15:19 AM »

Piney Ridge is apparently owned by an organization called AmiCare Behavioral Centers, which arose recently out of restructuring and reorganization of a previous company with existing facilities, along with the addition/expansion of new ones. They list five facilities on their website:

One of the Piney Ridges is in Missouri, and Madison Oaks is in Tennessee, but the other facilities are all in Arkansas. Corporate headquarters are in Nashville, TN.

Fayetteville seems to be their largest facility, and where they hold conferences. Perhaps completely coincidentally, a conference presented by Piney Ridge Center and the Arkansas Chapter of the Association for the Treatment of Sexual Abusers titled "Joining Forces: Collaboration in the Treatment and Management of Sexual Abuse" was scheduled to be held December 5 and 6, 2007 (start date being also that of when Robert Hawkins lost it at the Mall). PDF link download HERE, in case you're interested.

AmiCare Behavioral Centers, LLC
162 Cude Lane | Madison, TN 37115
Phone 615.860.9230
Fax 615.860.9228
Email [email protected]

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[li]AmiCare of Arkansas, LLC[/li]
[li]AmiCare of Missouri, LLC[/li]
[li]AmiCare of Tennessee, LLC[/li]
[li]AmiCare of Forrest City, LLC[/li]
[li]AmiCare Contract Services, LLC[/li][/list]Today, AmiCare provides a full continuum of treatment services for adolescents and children with inappropriate behavior. We also offer specialized programs for girls, substance abuse, sexual behavior disorders, and acute psychiatric services in some locations.

Ursus · « **Reply #53 on:** December 08, 2007, 04:12:12 AM »

From Amicare's website, key personnel:

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Our Leaders

NEIL CAMPBELL, President and Chief Executive Officer
Neil Campbell brings a wealth of industry and managerial experience to AmiCare, Mr. Campbell was the President of Lighthouse Care Centers LLC and co-founded and served as President and CEO of Keystone Education and Youth Services, L.L.C. He also served as president of Vendell Healthcare, a provider of psychiatric services to adults and youth. His background also includes service as Senior Vice President for GE Capital, Vice President of Finance for OrNda Healthcorp, and Vice President and southwest healthcare manager for Citicorp. Mr. Campbell holds a Masters Degree in Finance from Louisiana State University.

MIKE WHITE, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Mike White, having over 20 years of experience in financial healthcare operations, comes to AmiCare with a successful history in the behavioral health field. He held the position of Senior Vice President/Financial Operations with Keystone Education and Youth Services. Mr. White also held several Controller positions within the psychiatric healthcare industry while working with Vendell Healthcare and Charter Medical Corporation. Mr. White graduated from Western Kentucky University with a bachelorâ€™s degree in accounting.

MARK SCHNEIDER, Executive Vice President of Operations
Mr. Schneider brings to AmiCare over 25 years experience in psychiatric treatment and facility management. His experience includes extensive medical care and supervisory training received in the United States Army, where he was awarded the Bronze Star for Heroism and a Purple Heart for his service during the Vietnam War. Mr. Schneider holds both a Bachelor and Master of Sciences Degree in Nursing from the University of Florida at Gainesville.

R. B. WOLFE, Chairman of the Board
Mr. Wolfe served as Co-chairman and CEO of ARTC, Inc. from 1991 to 2006 when he exchanged his ownership in ARTC for stock in AmiCare Behavioral Centers, LLC. Mr. Wolfe was one of the founding investors in ARTC, Inc., which owned and operated three residential treatment centers. Mr. Wolfe has also been engaged as sole proprietor in construction, real estate investments and ranching. He attended Eastern University in Richmond, Kentucky and graduated with a Bachelor of Arts degree in accounting.

BOBBY D. MIZE, D.D.S., Secretary
Dr. Mize brings more than 30 years of experience of successful business management to the company. He has been a major financial supporter and officer of the ARTC since its founding in 1989. He has also operated a successful dental practice for over thirty five years and a successful farm operation for over 40 years. Dr. Mize holds a Bachelor of Science degree from Arkansas State University and a Doctor of Dental Surgery from the University of Tennessee.

Ursus · « **Reply #54 on:** December 08, 2007, 05:15:46 AM »

Former legal counsel for Adolescent Residential Treatment Centers, Inc. (out of whose ashes Amicare evolved): Cumberland Law Group, LLPC. May or may not be who Amicare retains, and may or may not be relevant, but I happened to come across it, so here it is:

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Contact Information[/b]
Phone: 615-383-8335
Fax: 615-383-8134
URL: [url=http://www.cumberlandlawgroup.com]http://www.cumberlandlawgroup.com
Visit Our Website
[url=http://www.lawyers.com/kirklaw]http://www.lawyers.com/kirklaw[/url]

(Main Office)
Cumberland Law Group, LLPC practices in the following areas of law:
Corporate, Business, Securities, Mergers and Acquisitions, Venture Capital, Entertainment, Health Care, Technology, Trademarks, Copyrights and Real Estate.

Firm Size: 3

Representative Clients:
Joel Solomon Co.; Professional Reprographics, L.L.C.; Village Real Estate Services; Windsor Health Group, Inc.; Windsor Health Plan of TN, Inc.; WHP Community Care; Fido; Commerce Capital, L.P.; Wilhagan Ventures, LLC; Athena Housing Partners, LLC; Iroquois Holding Company; Nearfield Acoustics, Inc.; WV Fiber, LLC; Adolescent Residential Treatment Centers, Inc.; Palmer/Snyder Furniture Company, Inc.; Letter Logic, Inc.; Chickering Properties, LLC; Phillips Construction, LLC; McNeil & Company Real Estate Services.

Douglas M. Kirk (Member) born Anchorage, Alaska, November 22, 1959; admitted to bar, 1985, Illinois; 1988, Tennessee. Education: Cornell University (B.A., 1982); Vanderbilt University (J.D., 1985). Cornell National Scholar. Associate Editor, Vanderbilt Journal of Transnational Law, 1985. Legal Briefs Author, National Association of Corporate Directors Monthly, 1985-1987. Member: Illinois State, Tennessee and American Bar Associations. Practice Areas: Corporate; Business; Entertainment; Wills; Trademark & Copyright; Partnerships; Commercial Real Estate; Residential Real Estate.

James L. McElroy (Member) born Cookeville, Tennessee, March 20, 1947; admitted to bar, 1980, Tennessee. Education: Rhodes College (B.A., 1969); State University of New York (Ph.D., 1974); Harvard University (J.D., magna cum laude, 1980). Phi Beta Kappa; Omicron Delta Kappa. Author: Note, "Foreign Holding Company Acquisition of American Banks: Legislative Restrictions and Regulatory Policy," 17 Harv. J. Legis. 555 (Summer, 1980). Member: Nashville, Tennessee and American Bar Associations; Tennessee Biotechnology Association (President, 2002-2003). Practice Areas: Corporate; Securities; Mergers and Acquisitions; Venture Capital; Technology Law; Real Estate.

Kevin D. Norwood (Member) born Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, January 13, 1950; admitted to bar, 1980, Ohio; 1983, Tennessee. Education: University of Virginia (B.A., with distinction and highest honors, 1972; M.A., 1973; M.Ed., 1975) College of William and Mary (J.D., 1980). Member, William and Mary Law Review, 1979-1980. Associate Editor, Environmental Practice News, 1979-1980. Speaker: "Factors Impacting Choice of Entity," NBI 2003, 2004; "Highlights of S and C Corporations," NBI, 2003, 2004; "Key Issues Impacting Entry Section," NBI 2005; "S and C Corporation Basics." NBI 2005. Member: Nashville, Tennessee and American (Member, Business Law; Committee on Partnerships and Unincorporated Business Organizations) and Health Law (Managed Care and Insurance Interest Group Sections) Bar Associations. Practice Areas: Corporate Law; Business Law; Securities; Mergers and Acquisitions; Healthcare Law; Venture Capital Financing; Real Estate; Administrative; Insurance. Email: Kevin D. Norwood

The determination of the need for legal services and the choice of a lawyer are extremely important decisions and should not be based solely upon advertisements, certification, specialization or self-proclaimed expertise. Certifications of specialization are available to Tennessee lawyers in all areas of practice relating to or included in the areas of Civil Trial, Criminal Trial, Business Bankruptcy, Consumer Bankruptcy, Creditor's Rights, Medical Malpractice, Legal Malpractice, Accounting Malpractice, Elder Law, Estate Planning and Family Law. Listing of related or included practice areas herein does not constitute or imply representation of certification of specialization. These disclosures are required by the Supreme Court of Tennessee.

TheWho · « **Reply #55 on:** December 08, 2007, 08:18:03 AM »

Quote

â€¦Grand Total----- 155 Known Deaths

Thanks for finding that.... I looked last night and could not locate it... I thought the number was higher than that.

So this number spans 3 decades.. 1980 thru 2007â€¦ includes all the kids who went to facilities i.e. mental hospitals, juvenile detention centers, boot camps..
So if you consider the hundreds of thousands of kids who have been placed in these places and then consider that only 155 of them has died â€œIn or out of the facilitiesâ€

TheWho · « **Reply #56 on:** December 08, 2007, 08:37:28 AM »

To expand my thinking on the above post:

What I attempted to do was isolate a small segment of the industry (Wilderness and TBS). As a parent I found that information regarding mental hospitals and military boot camps just served to cloud the issue when I was looking for help for my daughterâ€¦ these were not the options I was considering and there was no data available to me to look atâ€¦..

For example If I was looking to buy a car one of my areas of interest may be gas mileages. If the only information I could get was â€œThe average for all pickup trucks, cars, boats and 18 wheelers is 11 miles per gallonâ€

Ursus · « **Reply #57 on:** December 08, 2007, 02:43:04 PM »

More about Amicare, this re. the startup of the Madison Oaks Academy:

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www.amicarebehavioral.com[/url].

Clients welcomed to the dramatically renovated and repaired Dream Center building near Old Hickory Mall are Level 3, one step below the most difficult and violent cases. "They've failed in outpatient treatment or inpatient acute care. They've attempted suicide or are a threat to others. In therapeutic foster homes, they might be disrupting placement," Stephenson said. Mental health issues, chemical imbalances and substance abuse can be contributing factors.

UPDATE, December 21, 2007:
I checked the above article's link (= highlighted title), 'cuz the photos disappeared! Well... it's been pulled off the net. Guess the topic of Piney Ridge is too hot right now. Probably the same reason Amicare pulled all their job listings, too...

3xsaSeedling · « **Reply #58 on:** December 08, 2007, 02:52:31 PM »

Jackson, where?

Ursus · « **Reply #59 on:** December 08, 2007, 03:18:46 PM »

A Google done yesterday for "AmiCare Behavioral Centers" yielded several pages of job listing sites, all advertising a number of positions with AmiCare, all containing at least the first sentence of the following:

Job type: Therapist-Licensed
AmiCare Behavioral Centers is searching for a positive, energetic, child advocate in one of our adolescent residential treatment programs. Counseling or Social Work license required. Duties include individual, group, and family therapy. Must also pro... [/list]These spots appear to have "expired" and have disappeared, even ones first posted just 3 days ago. They have definitely pulled them.

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