A special note to Psy:

[ZenAgent]

:rofl:  I'm flattered.  To draw this much trolling is impressive.  The threat to sue for defamation was facetious - I support freedom of speech, and I've already had the swords rattled at me by PV.  I'm not sure which of the toxic twins you are.  It gives me deep satisfaction to be such a threat you programees snarl and howl.  I didn't lie, I had found an accounting firm in Newton, MA involved in acquisitions and only one guy fit the bill to be Whootie.  I guess it isn't him, it's certainly not Alan Newman - I was looking in another field altogether.

I had the guy's name and number.  TheWho was making suggestions about how to properly censor Fornits, and I threatened to post the crap.  Didn't, for reasons already stated.  Ask Psy, since you accuse me of being his "informant"

You're seeing conspiracies where there aren't any, perhaps it is time for you to sit back and focus on yourself.  You will progress past the group-think and the others will follow, be strong. Ha Ha Ha.

Ugh...You're probably a big David Icke fan...

Whatever, though. What are you gonna do, send me to a program?

[ZenAgent]

And don't use insincere moral justifications to get proxies to take risks that you're too chicken shit to take yourself becasue of possible consequences you're obviously very familiar with

I'm sorry...from now on I'll be a brave anon like yourself.

[Anonymous]

:rofl:  I'm flattered.  .

Don’t flatter yourself. Not everyone's a troll

And don't use insincere moral justifications to get proxies to take risks that you're too chicken shit to take yourself becasue of possible consequences you're obviously very familiar with

I'm sorry...from now on I'll be a brave anon like yourself.

No cowardly anons that did ,or did not, contact this Newman guy, as your proxy, (or perhaps you were lying), give bullshit rationales why it’s morally wrong to sign in, while getting others to do so, in their stead, when the real reason is that they’re scared. Or, did you want to give unnamed anon the who’s specifics for a Romantic union? Your insincere and exploitative misuse of morality is sleazy and exasperating, and bites people (not you though, of course) in the ass.

[Anonymous]

Niles wrote:

Protip.

Fornits is for whatever the fuck the present posters make it. Including speaking out of your ass, which TheWho is SOOooooo good at.

I agree it is an open forum.. arguing, speaking your views, speaking out of your ass, yes,  dont forget your favorite Niles.. posting porn and links to hate sites (anti black and anti Jewish propaganda).  Lets not be shy and leave out your contributions here.




...

Fornits is indeed an open forum, which means there will always be people like theWho to exploit it.  Mr. Who, you seem to be launching a one man Jihad on this forum.  You are certainly no martyr.  The group-think is not the issue here, it is your desire to subvert and distort for financial reasons, by your own admission you have ties to the industry.

Are you sure the posts you refer to were posted by Niles?  The ones I saw were anonymous.  You are not omniscient, nor do you have admin status here.  Your speculation reveals your hostility.  It's more likely you posted the offensive material yourself, Mr. Who, to discredit a group you obviously despise for interfering with your income.  Until you offer proof otherwise, we could follow your example and hold you responsible, evidence be damned.  

As for the attempt to expose Mr. Who's identity and business - it was a truly shameful effort on Fornits' part.  I expected more from this group.  Let me offer this advice:

Re-double your efforts and work as a team, not individually chasing clues.  Psy thinks it's one gentleman, Zen Agent focuses on another - combine your talents for research and work together.  Don't post anything about what your research turns up - if you determine Mr. Who has violated any codes of his profession or is engaging in illegal business practices, report him to the proper authorities and let them deal with him.  If there's a story, you can break it here first after he's caught.

Keep looking.  Mr. Who is using Fornits sense of fair play and openness against the group in an attempt to divide and conquer.  All survivors of programs know the industry's position on fair, ethical treatment and honesty - they're on the level of the Mafia in their financial dealings and will go to any lengths to maintain their interests - just ask Mr. Who.

Do what you can to engage the public, as well.  There have been vicious comments directed at Fornits members who didn't suffer in a program.  Individuals have said no one has business here unless they were in a program.  The keyword is business, and it's crucial to keep the teen industry "under the radar" of public attention for these abusive programs to continue unimpeded by oversight.  

The more "trolls" you see on the forum is an indication of the fear and anxiety the industry is feeling.  Regardless of how you view the GAO investigation and the effectiveness of Federal regulation of the industry, the hearings are putting abusive programs and sham facades like NATSAP under a spotlight, and they do not want the attention.

Another display of slack-jawed  bewilderment from Jan Moss at the next GAO hearing will certainly go a long way in getting bipartisan support of some real regulation.  It's a start, and Fornits is a source of invaluable information to investigators.

Stick together.  Keep pushing forward and don't get dragged into the industry's attempts to slow your momentum.  Mr. Who and his associates don't have anything positive to add to what you're trying to achieve, they would like to present as negative an element as possible.  The industry can't continue if the public becomes well-informed,  protecting children is a basic instinct people share.

Most people.  Not Mr. Who

[Anonymous]

Holy shit. Someone should track down the previous poster and give him some kind of medal.

[Anonymous]

Niles wrote:

Protip.

Fornits is for whatever the fuck the present posters make it. Including speaking out of your ass, which TheWho is SOOooooo good at.

I agree it is an open forum.. arguing, speaking your views, speaking out of your ass, yes,  dont forget your favorite Niles.. posting porn and links to hate sites (anti black and anti Jewish propaganda).  Lets not be shy and leave out your contributions here.




...

Fornits is indeed an open forum, which means there will always be people like theWho to exploit it.  Mr. Who, you seem to be launching a one man Jihad on this forum.  You are certainly no martyr.  The group-think is not the issue here, it is your desire to subvert and distort for financial reasons, by your own admission you have ties to the industry.

Are you sure the posts you refer to were posted by Niles?  The ones I saw were anonymous.  You are not omniscient, nor do you have admin status here.  Your speculation reveals your hostility.  It's more likely you posted the offensive material yourself, Mr. Who, to discredit a group you obviously despise for interfering with your income.  Until you offer proof otherwise, we could follow your example and hold you responsible, evidence be damned.  

As for the attempt to expose Mr. Who's identity and business - it was a truly shameful effort on Fornits' part.  I expected more from this group.  Let me offer this advice:

Re-double your efforts and work as a team, not individually chasing clues.  Psy thinks it's one gentleman, Zen Agent focuses on another - combine your talents for research and work together.  Don't post anything about what your research turns up - if you determine Mr. Who has violated any codes of his profession or is engaging in illegal business practices, report him to the proper authorities and let them deal with him.  If there's a story, you can break it here first after he's caught.

Keep looking.  Mr. Who is using Fornits sense of fair play and openness against the group in an attempt to divide and conquer.  All survivors of programs know the industry's position on fair, ethical treatment and honesty - they're on the level of the Mafia in their financial dealings and will go to any lengths to maintain their interests - just ask Mr. Who.

Do what you can to engage the public, as well.  There have been vicious comments directed at Fornits members who didn't suffer in a program.  Individuals have said no one has business here unless they were in a program.  The keyword is business, and it's crucial to keep the teen industry "under the radar" of public attention for these abusive programs to continue unimpeded by oversight.  

The more "trolls" you see on the forum is an indication of the fear and anxiety the industry is feeling.  Regardless of how you view the GAO investigation and the effectiveness of Federal regulation of the industry, the hearings are putting abusive programs and sham facades like NATSAP under a spotlight, and they do not want the attention.

Another display of slack-jawed  bewilderment from Jan Moss at the next GAO hearing will certainly go a long way in getting bipartisan support of some real regulation.  It's a start, and Fornits is a source of invaluable information to investigators.

Stick together.  Keep pushing forward and don't get dragged into the industry's attempts to slow your momentum.  Mr. Who and his associates don't have anything positive to add to what you're trying to achieve, they would like to present as negative an element as possible.  The industry can't continue if the public becomes well-informed,  protecting children is a basic instinct people share.

Most people.  Not Mr. Who

this would make a good sticky

[Deborah]

Was that a PM that was quoted or is it posted somewhere on the forum? Or did the poster quote him/herself?

Never mind. I found it.

[Anonymous]

 There have been vicious comments directed at Fornits members who didn't suffer in a program.  Individuals have said no one has business here unless they were in a program.  
Stick together.  

[/quote]

Um, by “vicious comments against people who were not in torture chambersâ€

[Anonymous]

 There have been vicious comments directed at Fornits members who didn't suffer in a program.  Individuals have said no one has business here unless they were in a program.  
Stick together.  

Um, by “vicious comments against people who were not in torture chambersâ€

[Che Gookin]

For the last  time.. The Admins, who I massacred, Are all  dead. We have one or two tech dweebs hanging around but they aren't supposed to be acting as admins.

To top it off.. even if they were still around...

WE AREN'T YOUR PRIVATE ARMY...

[Anonymous]

 There have been vicious comments directed at Fornits members who didn't suffer in a program.  Individuals have said no one has business here unless they were in a program.  
Stick together.  

Um, by “vicious comments against people who were not in torture chambersâ€

[Anonymous]

For the last  time.. The Admins, who I massacred, Are all  dead. We have one or two tech dweebs hanging around but they aren't supposed to be acting as admins.

To top it off.. even if they were still around...

WE AREN'T YOUR PRIVATE ARMY...

Yeah, I read that,  Niles' boys posted the army thing, and no one expects much militant action from you mods anyway.  Che, you run amok as an admin when you're on the low-end of your mood cycle and drunk , then shit on any ideas to at least make theWho and CCM answer a bit for abusing the board for their own twisted agendas.

Mr. Who and CCM girl want to drive posters away...sit back and let them.  I never expected much from this "private army"  Get drunk and add the NAMBLA tag to Who, or whatever amuses you.

[Anonymous]

For the last  time.. The Admins, who I massacred, Are all  dead. We have one or two tech dweebs hanging around but they aren't supposed to be acting as admins.

To top it off.. even if they were still around...

WE AREN'T YOUR PRIVATE ARMY...

Yeah, I read that,  Niles' boys posted the army thing, and no one expects much militant action from you mods anyway.  Che, you run amok as an admin when you're on the low-end of your mood cycle and drunk , then shit on any ideas to at least make theWho and CCM answer a bit for abusing the board for their own twisted agendas.

Mr. Who and CCM girl want to drive posters away...sit back and let them.  I never expected much from this "private army"  Get drunk and add the NAMBLA tag to Who, or whatever amuses you.

Amen.

[Anonymous]

For the last  time.. The Admins, who I massacred, Are all  dead. We have one or two tech dweebs hanging around but they aren't supposed to be acting as admins.

To top it off.. even if they were still around...

WE AREN'T YOUR PRIVATE ARMY...

Yeah, I read that,  Niles' boys posted the army thing, and no one expects much militant action from you mods anyway.  Che, you run amok as an admin when you're on the low-end of your mood cycle and drunk , then shit on any ideas to at least make theWho and CCM answer a bit for abusing the board for their own twisted agendas.

Mr. Who and CCM girl want to drive posters away...sit back and let them.  I never expected much from this "private army"  Get drunk and add the NAMBLA tag to Who, or whatever amuses you.

Hey there. Is this red lion by any chance? No need to answer if you'd rather not, I just had a hunch is all. When I was an admin, I would do the things that you mentioned. I know I am not the only one either (don't wanna take all the credit).

For instance, I would cite when Who was talking to himself by making an anon post saying "^^^ The Who ^^^" or something like that in attempt to cut through some of the heinous shit I saw going on right under my nose here on the TTI forum. I would also edit out the funtionally damaging shit that Niles would post, despite its comic value (sorry Niles, I just wanted to be able to read the thread.)

I was no one's 'private army' but my own; I participated as a moderator....

[TheWho]

For the last  time.. The Admins, who I massacred, Are all  dead. We have one or two tech dweebs hanging around but they aren't supposed to be acting as admins.

To top it off.. even if they were still around...

WE AREN'T YOUR PRIVATE ARMY...

Yeah, I read that,  Niles' boys posted the army thing, and no one expects much militant action from you mods anyway.  Che, you run amok as an admin when you're on the low-end of your mood cycle and drunk , then shit on any ideas to at least make theWho and CCM answer a bit for abusing the board for their own twisted agendas.

Mr. Who and CCM girl want to drive posters away...sit back and let them.  I never expected much from this "private army"  Get drunk and add the NAMBLA tag to Who, or whatever amuses you.

Hey there. Is this red lion by any chance? No need to answer if you'd rather not, I just had a hunch is all. When I was an admin, I would do the things that you mentioned. I know I am not the only one either (don't wanna take all the credit).

For instance, I would cite when Who was talking to himself by making an anon post saying "^^^ The Who ^^^" or something like that in attempt to cut through some of the heinous shit I saw going on right under my nose here on the TTI forum. I would also edit out the funtionally damaging shit that Niles would post, despite its comic value (sorry Niles, I just wanted to be able to read the thread.)

I was no one's 'private army' but my own; I participated as a moderator....

I think randomly assigning unique names to each I.P. would help alleviate some of this problem also... this would at least help during the couse of a typical conversation and help to identify who is saying what.....this was being discussed in "web forum hosting".


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