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Offline Oz girl

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« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2007, 04:16:09 PM »
you know Castle on the subject of sociopathy, i wonder how many adults attracted to a job where they are essentially mean to miserable kids on a daily basis are sociopaths. I sm aware that there is a high staff turn over at a lot of places, I can also see how an old scholar would be so stuck in this mentality that they think they are helping but i can also see a lot of fucking awful adults attracted to the idea of messing with powerless kids.
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« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2007, 04:58:06 PM »
Quote from: ""Oz girl""
you know Castle on the subject of sociopathy, i wonder how many adults attracted to a job where they are essentially mean to miserable kids on a daily basis are sociopaths. I sm aware that there is a high staff turn over at a lot of places, I can also see how an old scholar would be so stuck in this mentality that they think they are helping but i can also see a lot of fucking awful adults attracted to the idea of messing with powerless kids.


Oh absolutely. Agreed.

On the same side of the same coin, I have known relatively gentle, soft spoken staff turn into power staff after being in the program long enough. Sheila Claremont, Kristen Gilje, Chuck Selent.

It's the Third Reich Efficacy Principle. (which name I just made up on the spot.) Many Germans were already anti-semitic, however, there were just as many Germans who weren't when the Nazis took over. However, they got caught up in Hitler's war machine and became and zealous as the people who already shared the fascist sentiment.

A teacher in California proved this theory when he ran an experiment on his class called The Third Wave to demonstrate how otherwise normal, well-adjusted teenagers could at first, succumb to mild structure and discipline, and with a short amount of time, turn into hard-core militants.

One of the faculty at CEDU, who was rather subversive, showed us the film adaptation of this experiment, basically to try to wake us the fuck up. After the show, a guy in my peer group scoffed and said "That was such bullshit. There is no way a high school student would fall for that kind of crap."

Talk about clueless.
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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2007, 12:18:37 AM »
Good point.

1. The fact that certain power staff never ended up in the same room stunk of high heaven to me.

2.And as you said, if you moved up from one family and went from zero to hero with the new family head  you were generally immune from rap bludgening from your previous family head.

Stinks to high heaven folks. I'm stamping a bonafide "C" for cult on that one.

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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2007, 02:45:47 AM »
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Good point.

1. The fact that certain power staff never ended up in the same room stunk of high heaven to me.

2.And as you said, if you moved up from one family and went from zero to hero with the new family head  you were generally immune from rap bludgening from your previous family head.

Stinks to high heaven folks. I'm stamping a bonafide "C" for cult on that one.

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I think I can safely say that if I had to choose between stacy and caroline, I would take stacy any day. But that might be because I was one of her "friends". She fucking presented at my graduation, for fucks' sake.

It's actually quite wild how often she and I were thrown together. She was my family head in discovery. She ran my childrens. She supported in my brothers. I *think* she also supported in my IWTL. She ran the second truth when I was being punished and had to go through it twice. She ran the childrens I supported in. She was my family head in new horizons, and she was in my I&Me and Summit.

Stacy overdose. Yet I trusted her completely, despite the fact that she pulled no more punches with me than she did with anyone else. My lie in the second truth was cripple. That definitely stung.

Still, she signed off with "I love you" in my scrapbook, and for some bizarre reason, I still believe her. I don't love her, though. But if she actually took an active role in shielding me from Caroline, I have to give her props for that. I definitely think that in an all out brawl in the octagon, stacy would kick caroline's ass.

Faculty death match. Round one.
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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2007, 09:31:40 AM »
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Needless to say, I got talked to in a rap about it. By Caroline. She didn't even raise her voice, which surprised the hell out of me. She just shamed me with a few sentences about how it was surprising that I would make a joke like that, since I was friends with his daughter, Stacy. With Caroline, that is an official rap pass.

I was lucky in that Caroline really didn't fuck with me too much after voyageurs.


I was in that rap.
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Life is a very wonderful thing.\' said Dr. Branom... \'The processes of life, the make- up of the human organism, who can fully understand these miracles?... What is happening to you now is what should happen to any normal healthy human organism...You are being made sane, you are being made healthy.
     \'That I will not have, \' I said, \'nor can understand at all. What you\'ve been doing is to make me feel very very ill.\'
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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2007, 10:05:58 AM »
"I dunno if she was intimidated by her, but I rarely, if ever, saw those two interact. They were never in a family together"
Castle, they were both in Voyaguers with Stacy "family head", for at least my first month or so. I was one of Stacy's kids, dunno if there was some politicking going on that I was the brunt of also, but it could stand to reason based on the factor you brought up: intelligence. Stacy and Caroline both believed in CEDU and what was going on in that era at RMA, but for different reasons. They were both COMPLETE Cultists, Yo. Again, for very different reasons. Without a doubt in the world, there was less harshness to Stacy. There was less tenderness in Caroline than there is in hard tack. I had my moments with Stacy...my head between her little breasts, her arms relaxed around my neck at the Tipi as Sonny and Cher blared out of the 1985 genre speakers on the boombox "For united we stand Divided we fall". I really knew something was very wrong when the adults all started to cry as the song was played.
"...And there's nothing in the world that I would rather see than your smile...If the world falls part, then I'll still be here, and if the going gets too hard along the way just cry and I'll be there..."

I think they played that in the staff conferences a lot and this night by the tipi was after one...or a staff rap or something. Anyway, it was one of my very first days...I've been reading about memory in the recent National Geographic and other publications and dealing with what is traumatic about CEDU practices (raps, propheets, memory vodoo, isolation etc...) and while I always viewed that night as a positive memory I now realize what complete confusion I felt being gently restrained between Stacy Wasserman's legs at fouteen years old after being abandoned in a place such as that was. She then began to cry and tremble and my scalp bounced in the hard hollow under my head, she held me harder and we swayed to the music of Sonny and Cher...
what the fuck? Not a bad memory but I play the music and simultaneously think/ actively remember that night, I bawl.
You been listening to the Era Music? it's wild man...wild.


Caroline and Stacy were certainly archetypes...but weren't all the charismatic ones? For the record, I was not swooned over by either, I held out for Challenge. I've still never written a questionable word about the staff I still LOVE. that I called my mother over and over, because she became that. and more...so much fucking more...Oh why do I feel if I tell my story I betray? I know some were trying to be helpful, but they had to follow program protocos that made them cultist or at least culty...and it's hard to understand that they truly did get paid sorry for the pun "small potatoes".

Once I get started...That fucking place...I hated it, and then I loved it, and then I RAN LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER...but I'm back...Sweet sweet swine, caroline, I'm gonna get mine, I hope you're still reading you abusive slag, Crazy snow pig.


Really tired about talking about RAPS.
And yet, as clearly demonstrated in the above posts, that ambiance and consistency of raps, and strange way that they made the place safe...in opposite land. The way RAPS and the communication principles weeded out many of the people who could have been their downfall early on by pressing on you. There is so much to say that I will start another thread. In it we will address what is a rap?

WHAT IS A RAP?
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Life is a very wonderful thing.\' said Dr. Branom... \'The processes of life, the make- up of the human organism, who can fully understand these miracles?... What is happening to you now is what should happen to any normal healthy human organism...You are being made sane, you are being made healthy.
     \'That I will not have, \' I said, \'nor can understand at all. What you\'ve been doing is to make me feel very very ill.\'
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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2007, 07:28:10 PM »
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Needless to say, I got talked to in a rap about it. By Caroline. She didn't even raise her voice, which surprised the hell out of me. She just shamed me with a few sentences about how it was surprising that I would make a joke like that, since I was friends with his daughter, Stacy. With Caroline, that is an official rap pass.

I was lucky in that Caroline really didn't fuck with me too much after voyageurs.

I was in that rap.



Really? Holy shit. I was amazed I got off so easy in that one.
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