Author Topic: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):  (Read 33025 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164661
  • Karma: +3/-3
    • View Profile
TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #105 on: November 17, 2007, 11:24:19 PM »
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Yeh, well you've wasted another half hour on here posting things that don't matter, in the bigger picture of life, when you could of spent it with your kids.

We both know that you dont have that option...tsk..tsk  again with the finger pointing... why dont you get a dog.. but wait dont go down the same path as Ellen DeGeneres , wouldnt want it to happen to you again.



...


are you implying that deberah is gay or lost her kids? i cant make heads or tails of that statement? What happened to ellen degneres? Has deberah become a cery successful daytime talk show host?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Deborah

  • Posts: 5383
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #106 on: November 17, 2007, 11:25:45 PM »
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Yeh, well you've wasted another half hour on here posting things that don't matter, in the bigger picture of life, when you could of spent it with your kids.

We both know that you dont have that option...tsk..tsk  again with the finger pointing... why dont you get a dog.. but wait dont go down the same path as Ellen DeGeneres , wouldnt want it to happen to you again...


My kids are grown Who. That's how little you actually know about me. I don't know the significance of the ED comment, but assume you're implying I'm a lesbian?
I'm not, but would it matter if I were? Oh yeah, you and Aspen Ed support the "treatment" of homosexuality.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
gt;>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

Offline TheWho

  • Posts: 7256
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #107 on: November 18, 2007, 12:31:39 PM »
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Yeh, well you've wasted another half hour on here posting things that don't matter, in the bigger picture of life, when you could of spent it with your kids.

We both know that you dont have that option...tsk..tsk  again with the finger pointing... why dont you get a dog.. but wait dont go down the same path as Ellen DeGeneres , wouldnt want it to happen to you again...

My kids are grown Who. That's how little you actually know about me. I don't know the significance of the ED comment, but assume you're implying I'm a lesbian?
I'm not, but would it matter if I were? Oh yeah, you and Aspen Ed support the "treatment" of homosexuality.



I forgot, many people don’t make connections very well.  Let me try to explain…. if I were to say “you are as slow as a turtle
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Deborah

  • Posts: 5383
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #108 on: November 18, 2007, 01:32:22 PM »
Interesting. I can't relate to that story at all. I don't have pets. Not a public figure. Didn't give my kids away (or "loose" them). I find that story to be more analogous to you, Who.

Quote
When pet rescue agency Mutts and Moms heard of Iggy’s new domestic arrangements, it informed DeGeneres that giving away the Brussels Griffon terrier cross was a breach of the adoption contract she had signed.

Well, I guess I signed a piece of paper that says if I can’t keep Iggy, it goes back to the rescue organisation, which is not someone’s home, which is not a family. These two little girls had bonded to the dog. I thought I did a good thing. I tried to find a loving home for the dog because I couldn’t keep it. I was trying to do a good thing.


Wouldn't it be nice is adopted kids had the same protection !!! And were removed from their adoptive parents when they decide parenting is too much and stick them in BM warehouses?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
gt;>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

Offline TheWho

  • Posts: 7256
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #109 on: November 18, 2007, 01:46:40 PM »
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Interesting. I can't relate to that story at all. I don't have pets. Not a public figure. Didn't give my kids away (or "loose" them). I find that story to be more analogous to you, Who.

Quote
When pet rescue agency Mutts and Moms heard of Iggy’s new domestic arrangements, it informed DeGeneres that giving away the Brussels Griffon terrier cross was a breach of the adoption contract she had signed.

Well, I guess I signed a piece of paper that says if I can’t keep Iggy, it goes back to the rescue organisation, which is not someone’s home, which is not a family. These two little girls had bonded to the dog. I thought I did a good thing. I tried to find a loving home for the dog because I couldn’t keep it. I was trying to do a good thing.


Wouldn't it be nice is adopted kids had the same protection !!! And were removed from their adoptive parents when they decide parenting is too much and stick them in BM warehouses?


In a way they do….. There are what is called “Interrupted adoptions
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164661
  • Karma: +3/-3
    • View Profile
TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #110 on: November 18, 2007, 05:01:44 PM »
I'm curious how badly the Graeber family is being harassed at this point by Island View desperately trying to save their PR.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline TheWho

  • Posts: 7256
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #111 on: November 18, 2007, 06:19:05 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
I'm curious how badly the Graeber family is being harassed at this point by Island View desperately trying to save their PR.


The only harassment they are getting is from here, believe me.  IV and the parents main concern is Emily at this point and they are working together to decide what is the next best step for her.. whether that be staying home or continuing on with her work at IV (or combination of both).  I am sure they are getting plenty of advice from everyone.



...
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164661
  • Karma: +3/-3
    • View Profile
TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #112 on: November 18, 2007, 06:43:11 PM »
Quote
believe me


No. You're a pathological liar.

Or do you claim some insider knowledge that you'd like to share with the rest of us?

If Mr. Graeber has the least bit of sense at all, the odds of him and IV working together are between "slim" and "lol".
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164661
  • Karma: +3/-3
    • View Profile
TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #113 on: November 18, 2007, 07:15:29 PM »
Quote
If Mr. Graeber has the least bit of sense at all, the odds of him and IV working together are between "slim" and "lol".



excellent statement.

Unfortunately, his daughter running puts him in an awkward position.

Presumably, the school will smugly tell him his daughter is at risk of backsliding, I mean she did run  :roll: , and he should send her back to wilderness stat. They'll tell him if she shows 'progress' in wilderness, they might consider letting her go back to THE ISLAND. And because that's more placements, the ed con will charge more.

It's sickening how this industry will prey on scared, frantic parents. Absolutely disgusting.

Don't do it! Keep her home. It can work.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline TheWho

  • Posts: 7256
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #114 on: November 18, 2007, 07:51:23 PM »
You guys are obviously new to this or have never been thru it, (or both)  but everyone is working together,  with “Island View
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164661
  • Karma: +3/-3
    • View Profile
the Whom
« Reply #115 on: November 18, 2007, 08:07:24 PM »
[/quote]You guys are obviously new to this or have never been thru it, (or both)
Quote

Don't be so sure about that, Einstein.


And absolutely the parents should NOT listen to THE ISLAND.

Trust your gut. Getting these vultures from this industry to recommend the next step is the absolutely terrible decison you can make.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164661
  • Karma: +3/-3
    • View Profile
oops
« Reply #116 on: November 18, 2007, 08:09:57 PM »
Ha! I am new to posting with this format as evidenced by my previous post.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164661
  • Karma: +3/-3
    • View Profile
TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #117 on: November 18, 2007, 08:38:59 PM »
Ridiculous. Of course, the program is working the parent! Not to help!

Kids split programs.  Often not because they are "backsliding" but because they are shocked, horrified, frightened and abused!

In fact, splitting to me is often a healthy indicator that the kid has not drank the Kool Aid yet.

The scary thing is that so many kids who have never run away in their lives are willing to risk their personal safety to get out of The Twilight Zone.

I know because I was one of them. I was a total chicken shit wuss, never ran away in my life, but after experiencing the surreal horror of the program I knew I had to split  OR: I would become a lobotomized Stepford programmee, who was forced to lie about my personal history under extreme duress and bully, abuse, and exploit others to get ahead in the program. It was the only way to move through the levels.

Was I some kind of hell raising rebel? Nope. Blended in the wall paper, caused no trouble, was not one of the ones lambasted regularly...

When I left the first time, the program lied to my parents, lied to me, and threatened to put me in lock up even though I had never been a danger to others.  Ever!  They gave my parents THE TYPICAL SPIEL THEY GIVE TO EVERY RUN AWAY's FAMILY and said: don't come up and talk to your kid; your kid will end up deadinsaneorinjailorondrugs if you attempt to withdraw her (none of it true, nor was it true BEFORE the program); lied about drug use to my parents; and basically did everything to protect their interest.

Next time, I planned better. And unlike my Mom, who drank the Kool Aid, my Dad knew something was not kosher when I made it all the way home, safely. He did not send me back--he talked to me. (Thanks, Dad!)

I ran because the program scared me, not because I was a rebel or runaway.  I know of many others who ran with mixed results. There is one kid who has never been found. The program doesn't care about this kid, only their own PR.... their bullshit program spin, and lack of efficacy in dealing with the issue when the kid first ran, woke up the father to realizing how completely full of crap the program was. They didn't care about the kid.

I just think its scary that programs will tell parents not to see or talk to their kids after they are caught.... so once again, the program spins the story, often at the expense of the kid.

When will the kid be first?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164661
  • Karma: +3/-3
    • View Profile
bravo
« Reply #118 on: November 18, 2007, 08:45:06 PM »
good for you.  


I applaud you and your courage for not buying into the program and becoming a lemming. I am sure it wasn't easy.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164661
  • Karma: +3/-3
    • View Profile
Pop!
« Reply #119 on: November 18, 2007, 09:11:06 PM »
I'd like to make another thing clear.

Programs do not want the parents to interface with the child personally. In this way, they can manipulate the parent as ease.  That is why they tell you not to personally visit their child once he or she is caught.

The way they do this is through Fear. They prey on the parents' fear --your kid will be deadinsaneinjailorondrugs if you pull them out.  Unfortunately, this is baloney most of the time.  I know in my case, it was a lie, and in many other cases I have personal knowledge of.  In addition, WE, the kids, often either exaggerated our drug history or in some cases, lied about it, in order to move through the program. We were badgered so badly, we often were coerced to adopt false stories. Then, it became part of our story. We brought into it.  It was crucial that we believe the program was saving us...  the way they do this is by degrading us daily so that we believe the bullshit about ourselves. That we are incapable and worthless. Then, they could posit themselves as our Personal Jesus.

To the pro-program kids on Emily. Wait 5-10-20 years. Nearly every person I know on this site said the same thing you did. Most graduated the program brainwashed. After years and years of wondering why they feel an internal disconnect, why they are having so many problems relating post program, they start to piece the puzzle together.  

Hey parents! How would you like to be having this conversation 5-10-20 years from now?

I recently read a letter from a parent who sent her child to a program 20 years ago. I can tell you right now, she would not say the program had the long term effect she hoped for. Any of you interested in looking back 10-20 years from now only to realize you spent a boat load of cash and hope on your kid only to have them sitting at the fornits site spewing resentment, anger, and pain?

Don't let a good couple of years on paper fool you. Many of us had stellar resumes in an effort to "look good" initially. Inside, we were a mess.

There is a reason there are no longitudinal studies done.

Shanlea
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »