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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Aspen Education Group => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 09, 2007, 12:52:52 PM

Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2007, 12:52:52 PM
DO NOT attempt to contact your parents until you are over the age of 18!

DO NOT reveal yourself to ANYONE you cannot absolutely trust - THIS INCLUDES ALL FAMILY MEMBERS WHO DID NOT HELP YOU ESCAPE - in any way!

DO NOT use your real name if at all possible.

CHANGE YOUR APPEARANCE as much as you can.

LEAVE THE COUNTRY if at all possible!

Assume that your parents WILL send you back to that hellhole if at all possible.

YOU ARE BEING TRACKED BY THE FEDS. Find a new hiding spot if the person hiding you ever showed up with you on any security camera.

TO THE FBI: Fucking investigate Island View (http://http://www.aspeninstitute.info) itself while you're at it, huh?
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2007, 02:37:33 PM
the above advice is very good advice!  I thought about writing something like that myself.... but didn't know where to post it!

to Emily's parents: I'm sure you are worried sick... however, you never should have put her in a place like Island View in the first place... you should have been more worried about her safety and well being while she was at Island View than you are worried about her right now.  To put your mind as ease, as long as there has been no foul play (which I doubt there was) Emily is probably safer now than she was when she was in the program.

FBI - Investigate Island View (specifically W. Kimball DeLaMare) instead of looking for Emily. Emily is probably FINE!  Now it's all of the other kids in Island View that I'm worried about!   :flame:
Title: She never got off the plane
Post by: Anonymous on November 12, 2007, 07:33:45 AM
She remained on the plane and continued to San Francisco.

If she has some wilderness skills (and the most of Aspen's clients has because they have been on wilderness boot camps before the therapists fooled the parents into paying for a stay in another department in the Aspen company) she can try to make it up to Canada.

(Source:)
http://www.operationfindachild.org/Case ... 82007.html (http://www.operationfindachild.org/Cases/EMILY_CECELIA_GRAEBER_ECG11082007.html)
Title: Come forward if you have information
Post by: Anonymous on November 12, 2007, 11:50:37 AM
The Shawn Hornbeck Foundation is actively involved in this case, and we are very concerned about Emily's welfare.  We have talked extensively with Emily's parents, and can assure EVERYONE that Emily WILL NOT be sent back to Island View.  We are all just worried about Emily, and want to make sure she is OK.

Everything we do is about protecting kids, and we would never do anything to put Emily in jeopardy or make her do something against her will.  If she doesn't want to contact her parents that's fine - just contact us to let US know you are OK.  We're working night and day to make sure Emily is safe, and would appreciate any help anyone can provide to help us make sure Emily is safe.

Emily or anyone else with information or who is willing to help can contact us Toll-Free at 1-866-495-HOPE, or can contact us via our websites at www.shfoundation.org (http://www.shfoundation.org) or www.alostchild.com (http://www.alostchild.com).

Thanks for your consideration.

Craig Akers
CEO
The Shawn Hornbeck Foundation, Inc.
Helping to Bring Them Home!
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 12, 2007, 10:27:40 PM
Ah! It looks like it took some rather stark advice to get people like Mr. Akers on this board. Thank you, original poster, but I would also like to contradict you, because Mr. Graeber has been reading the .info network (linked to from your post) as well as Fornits. I honestly don't think a family law practicioner can retain a pro-Island View (or any other shitpit) stance after being here for a while, so Emily is probably safe at this point going back to him.

(Assuming, of course, that her parents are worth living with in the first place. She may be objectively better off where she is...)

Mr. Akers, I'm surprised your organization hasn't long since taken a position on these places. Even the most cursory browsing of Fornits tells of escapes (some successful), abuses, and deaths.
Title: EMILY GRAEBER
Post by: Anonymous on November 13, 2007, 01:17:04 AM
I AM FROM SAINT LOUIS AND KNOW EMILY FROM A YOUNGER TIME IN HER LIFE.   WE ARE SO WORRIED ABOUT YOU!   YOU ARE A GOOD PERSON AND MANY PEOPLE IN SAINT LOUIS CARE DEEPLY ABOUT YOU AND YOUR WELL-BEING.  WE WANT TO HELP YOU!  IF YOU DON'T WANT TO CALL YOUR PARENTS, CALL SUSAN, RANDY OR ANOTHER ADULT FROM YOUR LIFE.  PLEASE COME HOME AND DON'T LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU. TRES
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 13, 2007, 03:02:11 AM
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Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 13, 2007, 01:15:46 PM
Emily and were best friends from 6th grade to 8th grade.

I don't think its appropiate for people to be giving her parents advice, let them do what they need to do to find her.

All they are looking for is help & support, and that is what they need to be given.

I talked to Emily the night before she left, and she did not share any information about running away. She IMED me.

Obviously she was more safe at Island View then somewhere unknown.

And if Emily is reading this, please, PLEASE, come home. I was really proud of you after all you told me on Halloween. Don't ruin that !
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 13, 2007, 01:34:35 PM
Emily - This is your parents after having read your IM logs.

If you needed any more proof that you seriously can't fucking trust them, here it is.

Quote from: ""Annonymous""
Obviously she was more safe at Island View then somewhere unknown.

And if Emily is reading this, please, PLEASE, come home. I was really proud of you after all you told me on Halloween.


Seriously, do you really think your best friend wrote this?

Mrs. Graeber, we're not going to let you get away with crap like this on Fornits. You are not her mother anymore and you have no right to call yourself that. Every goal you had for her is utterly meaningless, backed up only by threats and abuse. Every expression of love you ever pretended to have for your daughter is a lie- you don't even know the meaning of the word. Get off Fornits and go cliff diving.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 13, 2007, 02:08:38 PM
Apparently the last commentor has nothing better to do than "try" to help kids run away and insist the parents are out to harm her. I personally know this family and it makes me sick that someone out there spends his/her days trashing anyone that is trying to help, friends included.

To Emily - all everyone wants is for you to be safe.  You CAN call your family, they love you and will ALWAYS be there to help. If you've had problems with the place you were, other options are available.  Be safe.[/i]
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 13, 2007, 02:10:36 PM
See what I mean - any chance you can get a life.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 13, 2007, 02:21:03 PM
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=295185#295185 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=295185#295185)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=295198#295198 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=295198#295198)

Same person, almost certainly a private investigator or programmie, with input from her mom.

Yes, they'll pretend to be your best friend to get you back, and then once they have you they can do whatever they want to you. Now you know what your parents REALLY are (just in case them paying to have you hurt at Island View didn't get the point across)! Sur-PRIIISE! Doesn't that make you feel loved?

I think the OP was trying to make the point that you call those assholes and they'll trace it, but that's really a "no shit, Sherlock" more than any sort of advice.

Yeah, they'll always be there to help, all right. I think Emily knows what her parents' idea of help is by this point. :lol:
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 13, 2007, 02:32:57 PM
Emily, if you do ever read this, please do NOT listen the asshole that is "trying" to make everyone else feel bad for trying to help, who apparently has NOTHING better to do than trash people and spend his/her days online trying to feel better about himself/herself. Perhaps this person is one you'd find on "To Catch A Predator" and please watch yourself.

I'm not your parents, I'm not with the FBI or any other foundation that tries to help teens, I am a friend and a parent.

If you were in danger, talk to someone, no one would have knowingly put you in a place of harm.

Be safe, watch your back and please come home soon - YOU ARE LOVED (no matter what the "Predator" tells you).
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 13, 2007, 02:45:10 PM
There are reasons why Emily is not back at Island View. There are reasons why Emily is not communicating with her family. Emily has her reasons and no one was willing to listen to her. Hopefully it is not too late. Island View and the Graeber household should be under scrutiny at this point in time. Emily needs a safe arena to come forward. Wanted posters with reward money present Emily as a criminal which she is not.
Emily, please call a trusted friend and let them know you are okay.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 13, 2007, 02:56:41 PM
LOL, like I could ever mistake you for a Fed. The party van drivers retain a degree of professionalism. You don't.

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I am a friend and a parent...


The desperation is coming through loud and clear but I still can't tell between "asshole PI" and "programmie higher-up". Starting to sound a bit more like the latter, although "J. Random Asshole her parents thought would help" is also a candidate.

So, let's recap:

Parents hand Emily's computer to some pseudo-professional, who poses as her best friend after thoroughly searching everything Emily thought was private on her computer.

No further comment necessary.

I can't help but be reminded of all the kids who escaped, got told by their parents they weren't going to be sent back.. and instead got sent somewhere WORSE.

Although this topic has a decent chance of getting reposted somewhere big (in which case someone should probably Pain Series/ape the thread), I think I'm 'bout done here. Good luck adjusting to liters and meters, Emily.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 13, 2007, 03:04:34 PM
Enough of YOUR nonsense.  Feel free to continue to post your idiotic messages in hopes that Emily will actually read any of them. God help her if she listens to anything you say.

To anyone else out there that cares - keep praying for her to be safe.

Goodbye.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 13, 2007, 07:23:33 PM
Excuse me?
But who are you to say that this isn't her friend?
WHAT PROOF DO YOU WANT?!!?!?!

do you want my name?
telephone number?
her parents dont read these things.
god, i dunno wtf is wrong with all of you.
i went to clayton highschool & wydown middle with emily.
stop pretending like you know everything and leave the poor girl alone.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 13, 2007, 07:55:38 PM
let her friend try to contact her, dont be a jerk.
Title: If Emily is out their, listen to yourself
Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2007, 01:09:46 PM
Don't listen to anyone here but yourself Emily, you know how you feel and what you have gone through.  You have only one life, so live it for yourself and for those who love you; you know best who they are.
Title: emily...
Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2007, 04:57:58 PM
to emily.
i was in island View with you.
and i know how that is.
but we are all woried and this is unfair.
i know that you dont really want this.
when i graduated you told me you were going to try...you were on an LOA AT HOME you were close and it doesnt have to be this way.
there are amends to be made but its worth it.
please dont continue to do this.
i hope that you come back and fix this because the pain people around you are going through is too much.
to the person hiding emily..
how could you.
Title: Emily
Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2007, 05:06:03 PM
Until she knows for sure her parents won't get her escorted anywhere else, it's better she is safe and healing somewhat with those helping her.

It won't be easy for her to trust her parents because even though they thought she would be getting help at TBS, she wasn't. It is such a complicated issue and yes, the parents made the decision to get help for her but I bet they were petrified and basing their decison on a stupid ed-con's advice.

NO matter what coping facade a visting child from TBS gives to their family/friends when they visit home, they're hurting. And scared. And some, like Emily, plotting to escape.

Perhaps her family should be thankful there are people helping her, feeding her etc (the parents may not view it that way intially).

Stay safe Emily. There are ways to send emails via hushmail.com that cannot be traced back if you can let your parents know you're okay.


Signed,

A Mom who has been there
Title: Emily
Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2007, 05:06:28 PM
Until she knows for sure her parents won't get her escorted anywhere else, it's better she is safe and healing somewhat with those helping her.

It won't be easy for her to trust her parents because even though they thought she would be getting help at TBS, she wasn't. It is such a complicated issue and yes, the parents made the decision to get help for her but I bet they were petrified and basing their decison on a stupid ed-con's advice.

NO matter what coping facade a visting child from TBS gives to their family/friends when they visit home, they're hurting. And scared. And some, like Emily, plotting to escape.

Perhaps her family should be thankful there are people helping her, feeding her etc (the parents may not view it that way intially).

Stay safe Emily. There are ways to send emails via hushmail.com that cannot be traced back if you can let your parents know you're okay.


Signed,

A Mom who has been there
Title: you obviously have no idea...
Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2007, 05:09:25 PM
and if i didnt make this clear
"A voice from no where"
SHUT THE FUCK UP
you are supporting a friend of MINE in ruining everything she has worked so very hard to earn
island view may not be on your good list
but that doesnt mean its some corrupt place
i cannot believe that you would have to balls to say some of the things you've said in these posts and live with your self.
island view is difficult but it has changed both my life and many of my friends and yes it was hard and yes we all had alot of difficulty and wanted to leave many times.
but that doesnt mean leaving was right.
it is disgusting to me that you support this.
for all we know she could be in alot of danger now, she may have ran but we dont know that she didnt get kid napped or something of the sort after.
she is 15 and looks no older that 13, maybe you should think about what shes going through being out there alone, running and staying gone is hard and emotionally and at times physically exausting emily loves her parents and being gone is no utopia for her either.
Title: Re: emily...
Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2007, 05:12:46 PM
Quote from: ""Jessi w""
to emily.
i was in island View with you.
and i know how that is.
but we are all woried and this is unfair.
i know that you dont really want this.
when i graduated you told me you were going to try...you were on an LOA AT HOME you were close and it doesnt have to be this way.
there are amends to be made but its worth it.
please dont continue to do this.
i hope that you come back and fix this because the pain people around you are going through is too much.
to the person hiding emily..
how could you.
Please remember to sign up in the myspace group. You can find the url on Fornits wiki page (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Island_view)

At some point you will need to deal with issues from being banished from home. Others who have been imprisoned at the same facility know about the torment and they will be able to help you. The time will come. If not in a year or two, then in 5 of 10 years.
Title: Re: Come forward if you have information
Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2007, 05:21:32 PM
Fine... but will she be sent to another similar institution?

Quote from: ""SHF""
The Shawn Hornbeck Foundation is actively involved in this case, and we are very concerned about Emily's welfare.  We have talked extensively with Emily's parents, and can assure EVERYONE that Emily WILL NOT be sent back to Island View.  We are all just worried about Emily, and want to make sure she is OK.
...
Craig Akers
CEO
The Shawn Hornbeck Foundation, Inc.
Helping to Bring Them Home!
Title: to jessie
Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2007, 05:23:26 PM
I understand your frustrations and concern over your friend.

I've been on both sides of the coin as a parent.

I'm not supporting having her parents be anguished over her whereabouts. It's horrible, I KNOW.

But I am supportive of them not sending her back to hell-holes.[/list]
Title: stop
Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2007, 06:13:17 PM
YOU KNOW WHAT???  I AM SO SORRY THAT YOU ALL FUCKED UP...BUT I WENT TO iSLAND vIEW, AND I HAVE BEEN DOING GREAT.  i MAY HAVE BEEN DEAD IF I HAD NOT GONE...SO JUST SHUT UP ABOUT HOW HORRIBLE IT WAS...B/C CHANCES ARE THAT YOU ARE JUST MAKING SHIT UP TO COMPLAIN, OR YOU DIDNT WORK ON YOUR OWN SHIT...
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2007, 06:25:44 PM
<3 fresh brainwashing victims and programmies pretending to be students.

If you want to induce a "Holy shit I'm not going back there for ANYTHING, even my own life" reaction, you're almost certainly approaching that. Congratulations!

Everyone Googling "Emily Graeber" that's reading this:

[Morpheus]Welcome ... to the real world.[/Morpheus]
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2007, 12:55:06 PM
Jessi W,
i tottaly understand how you feel.
I was Emily's good friend from 5th grade to last year before she left for Island View.  The best thing to do is support the Graeber family and keep her in our prayers.
& hope to God shes reading this and knowing how much we miss & love her and want her to come home.
For the people out there who are telling her to stay away, how dare you!
all i have to say is karma is a bitch! and you will be very sorry for wishing such horrids upon an innocent girl who is in a state of trouble.
WE MISS YOU EMILY.
PLEASE COME HOME !!!!!
Title: Re: emily...
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2007, 01:01:17 PM
Quote from: "Myspace surfer"
Quote from: ""Jessi w""
to emily.
i was in island View with you.
and i know how that is.
but we are all woried and this is unfair.
i know that you dont really want this.
when i graduated you told me you were going to try...you were on an LOA AT HOME you were close and it doesnt have to be this way.
there are amends to be made but its worth it.
please dont continue to do this.
i hope that you come back and fix this because the pain people around you are going through is too much.
to the person hiding emily..
how could you.


Amends to be made…. Ahh, that’s an irresistible siren song. Come back, for the amends. You'll be cornered in group and endlessly emotionally eviscerated for weeks, perhaps months, and horribly punished. Worked from morning to night, kept in isolation, other, vaguely sexual, humiliation themed punishments, maybe have to be with another kid at all times, ask permission to walk from point a to point be and have that request be turned down whenever the child/guard says "no". Something that screws with your kinetic intelligence.  How could she resist such a lovely phased invitation of shaming, and promise of more shaming and punishment

RUN EMILY
FIND A LAWYER
GET YOURSELF EMANCIPATED
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2007, 01:01:55 PM
Quote from: ""Emily's Friend""
For the people out there who are telling her to stay away, how dare you!



This is how we dare.  This is a sampling of what she went through.  Read thru these postings and tell me you still support her family's decision.


http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=15260&start=360 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=15260&start=360)
Title: Re: emily...
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2007, 01:04:44 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Amends to be made…. Ahh, that’s an irresistible siren song. Come back, for the amends. You'll be cornered in group and endlessly emotionally eviscerated for weeks, perhaps months, and horribly punished. Worked from morning to night, kept in isolation, other, vaguely sexual, humiliation themed punishments, maybe have to be with another kid at all times, ask permission to walk from point a to point be and have that request be turned down whenever the child/guard says "no". Something that screws with your kinetic intelligence.  How could she resist such a lovely phased invitation of shaming, and promise of more shaming and punishment

RUN EMILY
FIND A LAWYER
GET YOURSELF EMANCIPATED


Quote for fucking truth.
Title: THEY FOUND HER
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2007, 04:35:47 PM
She is safe and will be on her way HOME tonight.
Title: THEY FOUND HER
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2007, 04:36:05 PM
She is safe and will be on her way HOME tonight.
Title: THEY FOUND HER
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2007, 04:36:27 PM
She is safe and will be on her way HOME tonight.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2007, 06:24:21 PM
WHAT?!? THEY FOUND HER?!?
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 15, 2007, 07:48:40 PM
Quote from: ""Emily's Friend""
Jessi W,
i tottaly understand how you feel.
I was Emily's good friend from 5th grade to last year before she left for Island View.  The best thing to do is support the Graeber family and keep her in our prayers.
& hope to God shes reading this and knowing how much we miss & love her and want her to come home.
For the people out there who are telling her to stay away, how dare you!
all i have to say is karma is a bitch! and you will be very sorry for wishing such horrids upon an innocent girl who is in a state of trouble.
WE MISS YOU EMILY.
PLEASE COME HOME !!!!!


You are a good friend... I am glad emily is safe and on her way back to her family.



...
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2007, 08:37:09 PM
Shut the fuck up, Who. Of all the threads you could infect you decided to get involved in this one? You're not happy she's back with her family, you and the rest of the people involved in Aspen shitholes are pissed she's not being immediately sent back.

Or maybe they'll be able to keep manipulating her parents even now?

It really boils down to one, fundamental question...

Mr. Graeber, how truly stupid are you?
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Deborah on November 15, 2007, 10:19:16 PM
If the parent paid up front, why would they care? Parents may have to hire an attorney to get a refund if they decide not to send her back. You should never pre-pay tuition. The forums are littered with parents who are fighting for refunds.
These parents could also be ones that took out an amortized loan. What happens in that case? SOL? Stuck with a 10,20 year loan? Not like a house or car you discover is a lemon. You can sell either of those and recoup some/most of your money. Can a parent resell their spot in a RTC they took a loan on?
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 12:21:43 AM
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Parents may have to hire an attorney to get a refund if they decide not to send her back.


This parent is one.

Shaking the Magic 8-Ball suggests that there might be lawsuits in the near future.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Deborah on November 16, 2007, 01:04:04 AM
Emily Graeber Found
The 15 year old St. Louis Jewish teen missing since October 29th has been found.  Emily took a flight out of St. Louis, did not get off the plane at her destination in Utah - and continued on to San Francisco. The Shawn Hornbeck Foundation and the San Francisco community were among those who joined in the effort to find Emily.

This announcement was e-mailed Thursday afternoon from Rabbi Susan Talve:

From: Central Reform Congregation, Rabbi Susan Talve
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:26 PM
Subject: Emily is on her way home

EMILY IS ON HER WAY HOME  
Every once in awhile, the heart of the universe opens to prayer and acts of kindness. Thanks to all of the Angels that are part of this wonderful network of caring people across the country, Emily Graeber is on her way home.
The Graebers are so grateful for all that you have done and were willing to do for their family. I cannot say enough about the support of the Shawn Hornbeck Foundation.
Please continue to keep the Graebers in your prayers.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Missing Clayton Teen Safely Home
Created: 11/15/2007 9:32:10 PM
Last updated: 11/15/2007 10:54:48 PM
  VIDEO  
 Click to watch Kay Quinn's report.
By Kay Quinn
(KSDK) - A missing Clayton teen returned home safe Thursday night.

Emily Graeber's safe return came about thanks to an Internet search engine and a Web site.

The parents of Shawn Hornbeck were also a big help in bringing her back.

On Thursday night, a plane carrying Emily, with Craig and Pam Akers at her side, landed in St. Louis.

The Akers run The Shawn Hornbeck Foundation and have dedicated their lives to finding missing people since their son Shawn went missing in 2002. He was found in January.

Around midnight Wednesday, they got a call from a person in the San Francisco area who knew where Emily, 15, was.

Emily was last seen by her parents getting on a plane at Lambert-St. Louis International Airport bound for Salt Lake City on Oct. 29.

She was returning to a treatment facility in Utah, but didn't get off the plane.

Instead, she continued on to San Francisco and was later found to be a runaway.

A concerned person she met in San Francisco eventually entered her name in an Internet search engine and discovered Emily was posted as a missing person in a Shawn Alert on The Shawn Hornbeck Foundation Web site.

That person, who wants to remain anonymous, called the organization and led the Akers to Emily.

"When it was 3 a.m. and we couldn't reach anyone else who was available and willing to go this morning at 6:25, then Pam and Craig packed their clothes and they were here" at the airport, says Sherri Martin, spokesperson for The Shawn Hornbeck Foundation.

Emily's family is thrilled she's home.

"The ability to find a runaway and for a story to run out so wonderfully because really, it could gave gone really bad. We're grateful for the Shawn Alert," said Julie Ettinger, Emily's cousin.

Emily's family is tremendously relieved and overwhelmed.

They were unable to travel to California because a family member is gravely ill.

One of them couldn't travel to California for their daughter? The daughter they were so distressed and worried about. They hired it done? I can't relate. Mind blowing. What are the odds they'll abdicate responsibility again and she'll be back at IV or another facility within a week?

This is the first time the Akers have traveled out of state to help a child return home.

A new twist on Escort Service?
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 02:28:04 AM
Quote
One of them couldn't travel to California for their daughter? The daughter they were so distressed and worried about. They hired it done? I can't relate. Mind blowing. What are the odds they'll abdicate responsibility again and she'll be back at IV or another facility within a week?


The young lady should take her chances with the law and do what it takes to avoid her parents. They sound like very disturbed and troubled individuals. No wonder why so many people on this forum suggest killing parents.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 09:24:35 AM
Don't be so  quick to  judge, they may have been advised not to go. You cannot  expect to know what they have been  going through.

That being said, this will  case will set an  example if she IS sent back to Island View. (It will send one if she isn't too)
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 16, 2007, 10:13:03 AM
deborah wrote:
Quote
One of them couldn't travel to California for their daughter? The daughter they were so distressed and worried about. They hired it done? I can't relate. Mind blowing. What are the odds they'll abdicate responsibility again and she'll be back at IV or another facility within a week?


Deborah, why do you continue to judge people you don’t know?  How awful to prejudge people like that!!  She may have a dying mother at home and having the Akers bring Emily home may be the fastest route to have them all together.  The mother may have been persuaded by Emily to stay with “her mother
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 10:18:21 AM
Please ignore the above poster TheWho -

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Some have earnestly attempted to have rational debate with the man. He's incapable. If things aren't going his way, he changes the criteria, or compares apples to oranges, or goes mental and starts talking about some inane shit like the price of pork in China or how cars are made in Japan.
Don't you get it? He's not here to add to the discussion or even to have open debate. He misrepresents, blatantly lies, derails, attacks and wears people down with continuous posting of bullshit or misquoting people who then feel they have to correct him. He's sitting behind his computer laughing at all of you who play his little game. He knows you'll eventually burn out.
Anyone else notice how he has systematically attacked every regular here since he's been back?
Ignore him. If he posts some off the wall bullshit, respond with a link to information to refute him, but stop the never-ending jousting with him. You think you're going to run him off... no way. He enjoys running his program here and delights in pissing people off.
Don't volunteer for his program.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Troll Control on November 16, 2007, 10:56:38 AM
For the record:

DEBORAH DID NOT EVER "LOSE CONTROL OF" OR "SEND" HER CHILD "TO A PROGRAM."  THIS NEVER HAPPENED.

Of course, TheWhore is lying again to try to make an ad hominem attack stick to someone better informed and educated than he, but, hey, what's new there???

Deb's child's FATHER (from whom she was divorced) sent the child to HLA over Deb's strenuous objections and attempts to stop the placement through any and all legal channels.

Of course, TheWhore doen't mention that.  Just like he doesn't mention that his kid was drunk and high on hard drugs within hours of getting home from ASR and that she has cut him off from her life.  He doesn't tell anyone that because his story DOESN'T SELL PROGRAMS.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 11:00:53 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Please ignore the above poster TheWho -

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Some have earnestly attempted to have rational debate with the man. He's incapable. If things aren't going his way, he changes the criteria, or compares apples to oranges, or goes mental and starts talking about some inane shit like the price of pork in China or how cars are made in Japan.
Don't you get it? http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=283976#283976[/url]

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Quote from: ""Guest""
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When is this supposed to take place?

Well the  announcement takes place after the lawyers sign off on the deal, but they usually wait until the transfer is ready to take place.
The legal transfer typically takes place at the beginning of the new quarter (or fiscal year).
So based on this I would expect the announcement would come at anytime and the transfer could occur on Tuesday October 1, 2007 or early January 2008.

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How is it that you are in a position to have knowledge about the acquisition of HLA?


I apologize for being vague, I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved,  this could be misconstrued as “Tipping
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 11:06:50 AM
Quote from: ""Deborah""
One of them couldn't travel to California for their daughter? The daughter they were so distressed and worried about. They hired it done? I can't relate. Mind blowing. What are the odds they'll abdicate responsibility again and she'll be back at IV or another facility within a week?


I can't relate either.  It stinks that not a single member of her own family went to get her.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Troll Control on November 16, 2007, 11:19:27 AM
Me neither.  It sounds more like "This isn't convenient for me, so could someone else handle it?"  Same as not wanting to parent and using a program as a proxy.  Bet she was escorted TO the program, too.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 11:36:21 AM
Bet they'll have time to try to sue the airline for screwing up and letting her fly all the way through to Frisco.  They might clear the calendar for that.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 16, 2007, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Me neither.  It sounds more like "This isn't convenient for me, so could someone else handle it?"  Same as not wanting to parent and using a program as a proxy.  Bet she was escorted TO the program, too.



Funny how everyone is so sour here because Emily is found to be safe.  You people seem to operate so much better when things don’t turn out well for the kids.  If Emily had been hurt you could have blamed the school or the evil program parents who sent her there, but now you will have to satisfy yourselves with criticizing the family as to why people wont leave the bedside of a dying family member, so sad.

We should make this a sticky… you will note that not one person logged in to help during this entire thread.  But bet your booties if Emily had been hurt this thread would have gone 100 pages blaming the School and the industry.

To Emily's Family:  I apologize for the insensitivities you are reading here on Emily being found safe.  Many on this forum thrive on kids who get hurt which helps to fuel their anger towards the industry.  Kids who benefit from the schools serve no purpose for them.


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Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 11:51:24 AM
Please ignore the above poster, TheWho -

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Some have earnestly attempted to have rational debate with the man. He's incapable. If things aren't going his way, he changes the criteria, or compares apples to oranges, or goes mental and starts talking about some inane shit like the price of pork in China or how cars are made in Japan.
Don't you get it? He's not here to add to the discussion or even to have open debate. He misrepresents, blatantly lies, derails, attacks and wears people down with continuous posting of bullshit or misquoting people who then feel they have to correct him. He's sitting behind his computer laughing at all of you who play his little game. He knows you'll eventually burn out.
Anyone else notice how he has systematically attacked every regular here since he's been back?
Ignore him. If he posts some off the wall bullshit, respond with a link to information to refute him, but stop the never-ending jousting with him. You think you're going to run him off... no way. He enjoys running his program here and delights in pissing people off.
Don't volunteer for his program.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 12:14:57 PM
Everyone is glad that she's safe.  We just want to make sure she stays that way.  I think the best we can hope for is that the parents have woken up and won't be sending her back.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 12:36:28 PM
*scrolls past the noise*

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One of them couldn't travel to California for their daughter? The daughter they were so distressed and worried about. They hired it done? I can't relate. Mind blowing. What are the odds they'll abdicate responsibility again and she'll be back at IV or another facility within a week?


I'll actually say low odds, for a week. Actually low odds for ever, because of the people who have contacted them and told them not to.

But that's the only reason they're not going to do it- threat of public exposure and fear of being outed. The guy's a family law attorney. How would it affect his practice if everyone knew he threw his daughter away to some Aspen (http://http://www.aspeneducation.info) shithole twice? Better just to put up with the girl than to put up with Fornits members and youth-rights advocates.

It's not direct intimidation (no one I know of has threatened to put a blade under his chin), but it's still the only thing program parents understand.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 16, 2007, 01:00:32 PM
The reason she ran is because she may still be struggling and could be at a turning point.  I don’t think the parents are going to just stop helping her or give up on her because of what other people on a posting web site think.  If fornits was against heart surgery I don’t think they would let her die if she needed a heart transplant because of what is said here.

The family just needs our prayers and support to make the best decision for Emily.  Whether that is keeping her home for a time or resume getting her help again, only the family and Emily will know what is best and when.



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Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anne Bonney on November 16, 2007, 01:05:59 PM
Quote from: ""TheWho""
The reason she ran is because she may still be struggling and could be at a turning point.

Really now?  You know the reason she ran?  How could you possibly know that information?

 
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I don’t think the parents are going to just stop helping her or give up on her because of what other people on a posting web site think.  If fornits was against heart surgery I don’t think they would let her die if she needed a heart transplant because of what is said here.

They didn't help her at all by sending her off.  Fornits is not anti-help.  Its anti-abuse, anti-quackery and anti-fraud, among other things.

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The family just needs our prayers and support to make the best decision for Emily.  Whether that is keeping her home for a time or resume getting her help again, only the family and Emily will know what is best and when.


Then quit telling us or them what they need.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 16, 2007, 01:17:42 PM
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Really now? You know the reason she ran? How could you possibly know that information?
I don’t think any of us know why she ran, myself included.  I never suggested I knew why.  I said "...she may still be struggling and could be at a turning point. "
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They didn't help her at all by sending her off
How could you possibly know that?  Ha,Ha,Ha amazing how much you know!!
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Then quit telling us or them what they need

I will when everyone else does..deal?



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Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anne Bonney on November 16, 2007, 01:26:03 PM
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I don’t think any of us know why she ran, myself included. I never suggested I knew why.


THE REASON SHE RAN IS BECAUSE...................................

Quote from: ""TheWho""
The reason she ran is because she may still be struggling and could be at a turning point.  I don’t think the parents are going to just stop helping her or give up on her because of what other people on a posting web site think.  If fornits was against heart surgery I don’t think they would let her die if she needed a heart transplant because of what is said here.

The family just needs our prayers and support to make the best decision for Emily.  Whether that is keeping her home for a time or resume getting her help again, only the family and Emily will know what is best and when.



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Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anne Bonney on November 16, 2007, 01:28:35 PM
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They didn't help her at all by sending her off
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How could you possibly know that?  Ha,Ha,Ha amazing how much you know!!


 :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:


Have you been sleeping or are you seriously just that stupid??
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 16, 2007, 01:38:52 PM
....."she may still be struggling and could be at a turning point."

I think we can agree that most kids that run away are struggling with life at home or where ever, whomever they are running away from.

To share a personal story:

 My daughter ran away from ASR (after a few months of being there) and then with the help of a counselor decided to go back and she called me and we talked for a long while about what had occured and why.  It turned out the reason she ran was that she was on the verge of dealing with some issues, which were surfacing, that she didnt want to uncover or deal with.  After we talked she felt better and to this day is glad she stuck it out and completed her time thru graduation.  They turned out to be important issues that ,if left buried, would have done her harm over the long haul if they were not dealt with properly with the help of a trained therapist.



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Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anne Bonney on November 16, 2007, 01:41:07 PM
So you're just that stupid.  Kthxbye.

 :roll:
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 01:44:47 PM
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properly with the help of a trained therapist.


Training, who needs training or a license??????

 :wink:
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 01:45:03 PM
PROTIP: Cultists will say anything they think will get more recruits or keep existing ones. This includes make-believe stories about family members.

For everyone else reading this thread: I think most of you know the score by now. For those of you that don't, welllll...

www.isaccorp.org (http://www.isaccorp.org)
www.aspeneducation.info (http://www.aspeneducation.info)
www.helpatanycost.com (http://www.helpatanycost.com)
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 02:03:43 PM
TheWho's real name is Alan Newman, who runs a market research firm at www.anr.com (http://www.anr.com) . He was contracted to assess damage (and apparently do damage control) on Fornits.

PROTIP #2: The damage is much greater than you ever dreamed, Who. And you cannot control it. Too many kids have been abused for far too long. Ownaj is an inevitability at this point.

PROTIP #3: The damage to Emily will be even greater than THAT if her dad sends her back to that shitpit. Do you have any idea how pissed they are at the public exposure? Expect some staff member to tell you she "fell down the stairs" a few times..
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 02:35:12 PM
Since this topic is getting popular, here's something from elsewhere on the site:

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I did do this. I called Aspen about New Leaf Academy. The child i described was pretty tame. "not coping with the divorce" "Mean to her little bro" they recommended sending this phantom 12 year old girl to SUWS to drag llamas across the country first then to look into New Leaf for "aftercare". Apparently they absolutely did not take violent or mentally ill kids

i then had someone ele call about a kid who had a violent temper and behaviours that strongly suggested hardcore bipolar. They did not ask whether the kid had gone to a bonafide doctor but they did recommend Dragging llamas across mountains followed by New leaf. The only 2 things these phantom girls had in common was they were 12.
Title: sending her back or not
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 05:10:34 PM
Glad to hear she is safe and I hope her parents don't send her back to Island View.  Betch anything those assholes there or the ed-con are recommending her to go back to WIlderness and then re-evaluate.

*sigh*


 DON"T DO IT! KEEP HER HOME!!!!
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Che Gookin on November 16, 2007, 05:22:02 PM
My suggestion to Emily:

Canada is due North. I suspect you could make a decent case for being a refugee.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 05:37:35 PM
Quote from: ""Deborah""
One of them couldn't travel to California for their daughter? The daughter they were so distressed and worried about. They hired it done? I can't relate. Mind blowing. What are the odds they'll abdicate responsibility again and she'll be back at IV or another facility within a week?


Yeah, I noticed that, too. They sound like my parents who would’ve paid any amount of money to "help" me to a life in an institution. But, certainly wouldn’t have provided any of the most basic nurturing. Program Parents, as a rule, declare their kid mentally ill as a socially acceptable way of excusing their abuse (they’re so bad/mentally ill, they don’t deserve to be treated decently) and abandonment.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 07:20:07 PM
According to this video, her parents didn't even pick her up from the airport when she got back into St. Louis. Check the 12-minute mark:

http://http://www.kmov.com/video/topvideo-index.html?nvid=193607.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 07:28:51 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
According to this video, her parents didn't even pick her up from the airport when she got back into St. Louis. Check the 12-minute mark:

http://http://www.kmov.com/video/topvideo-index.html?nvid=193607.


I'm sorry, one of these parents could have gone down to see her. It was one of their parents that was sick. A mother in law is not a relation, unlike offspring , where both parents need to be there at every moment for emotional support. Not going to pick her up really sends a message to Emily how unvalued she is by the family.

Do these runaway capturers specialize in escaped program kids, or something?

If so, all the are are bounty hunters who specialize in capturing runaway slaves.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: hanzomon4 on November 16, 2007, 08:17:24 PM
Does anyone know if she was taken back home against her will, ala escort company?
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 16, 2007, 10:19:59 PM
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
Does anyone know if she was taken back home against her will, ala escort company?


No, Hanzo, her family utilized "The Shawn Hornbeck Foundation" (http://http://www.sarteam.com/)

They are only activated to perform search and rescue operations and are trained in NASAR (National Association of Search and Rescue) and NIMS (National Incident Management System – FEMA).  They are trained to pound the woods with K-9 units, compasses, grid search, city search etc..  They will also help organize volunteer search groups for communities…. But they are not an escort service.  
A friend of my neighbor used their service to locate a runaway  family member who was luckily located as she was immerging into a prostitution ring and would have ended up overseas.  She had been beaten and raped her after they methodically confirmed her family didn’t know where she was… so it is important to always tell someone where you are going.

This is a foundation I would recommend to any family to turn to who has lost a loved one.

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Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 16, 2007, 11:13:55 PM
What a liar.   You could have just said something nice about the SHF and it would have been perfectly true, but you had to add a bunch of BS.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 17, 2007, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
Does anyone know if she was taken back home against her will, ala escort company?

No, Hanzo, her family utilized "The Shawn Hornbeck Foundation" (http://http://www.sarteam.com/)

They are only activated to perform search and rescue operations and are trained in NASAR (National Association of Search and Rescue) and NIMS (National Incident Management System – FEMA).  They are trained to pound the woods with K-9 units, compasses, grid search, city search etc..  They will also help organize volunteer search groups for communities…. But they are not an escort service.  
A friend of my neighbor used their service to locate a runaway  family member who was luckily located as she was immerging into a prostitution ring and would have ended up overseas.  She had been beaten and raped her after they methodically confirmed her family didn’t know where she was… so it is important to always tell someone where you are going.

This is a foundation I would recommend to any family to turn to who has lost a loved one.

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Thanks TheWho, people are so sensitive here tonight.  Transporting kids is a big issue with some folks, dont take it personally.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2007, 12:04:51 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
Does anyone know if she was taken back home against her will, ala escort company?

No, Hanzo, her family utilized "The Shawn Hornbeck Foundation" (http://http://www.sarteam.com/)

They are only activated to perform search and rescue operations and are trained in NASAR (National Association of Search and Rescue) and NIMS (National Incident Management System – FEMA).  They are trained to pound the woods with K-9 units, compasses, grid search, city search etc..  They will also help organize volunteer search groups for communities…. But they are not an escort service.  
A friend of my neighbor used their service to locate a runaway  family member who was luckily located as she was immerging into a prostitution ring and would have ended up overseas.  She had been beaten and raped her after they methodically confirmed her family didn’t know where she was… so it is important to always tell someone where you are going.

This is a foundation I would recommend to any family to turn to who has lost a loved one.

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Thanks TheWho, people are so sensitive here tonight.  Transporting kids is a big issue with some folks, dont take it personally.


Did you transport her against her will?
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2007, 12:32:29 AM
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At about 11:30 p.m. Wednesday, the foundation received a call from someone in Oakland claiming to know where Emily was. Craig Akers verified the information. By 3 a.m. Thursday, he felt someone needed to get to Oakland immediately. No time to alert authorities. And Graeber's family was dealing with another family emergency — Emily's maternal grandmother was near death.

"Pam and I decided the easiest thing was to go ourselves," Craig Akers said.



It was their first trip to the Bay Area. Once in California, Craig Akers said he called police to ask for help, in case something went wrong, but was told that could take hours.

Already on an unorthodox adventure, he decided not to wait. The couple knew Emily was staying with a teenage boy and his mother. Emily had met the teenage boy on a bus, telling him she needed a place to stay so she would not have to return to what she called her boarding school, Craig Akers said. She was not hurt, not hungry — just hiding.

"She was very, very fortunate," Craig Akers said. "She was taken in by decent people."

Craig Akers said he explained why they were there, that they needed to get back to St. Louis so Emily could say goodbye to her grandmother. And Craig Akers told Emily her parents agreed she would not be forced to return to the Utah treatment center.

Within an hour, they were back at the airport. And a missing child was on her way home.


More of the  quite interesting article here-

http://http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/D65E723E3A8C055A862573960011ADF0?OpenDocument
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2007, 02:18:42 AM
Sorry Emily, but I feel I have to out you in order to keep you from being sent away.

Emily Graeber was adopted and welcomed into the heart and home of a couple who believed they could not have a biological child of there own. Wonderful, until Emily's sister came along.
 This young women needs her community to come forward, love her, support her and help her grow into the amazing person she is destined to be. Rabbi Talve, you can expidite this process. Island View is not her community.
 People like Alan Newman see $$$. How dare you put a price on the emotional growth and wellbeing of a child. If her parents are not up for this difficult task then they should reach out to their family, friends and professionals around them. We are here. We are willing. Please do not send Emily away again.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2007, 02:19:34 AM
Sorry Emily, but I feel I have to out you in order to keep you from being sent away.

Emily Graeber was adopted and welcomed into the heart and home of a couple who believed they could not have a biological child of there own. Wonderful, until Emily's sister came along.
 This young women needs her community to come forward, love her, support her and help her grow into the amazing person she is destined to be. Rabbi Talve, you can expidite this process. Island View is not her community.
 People like Alan Newman see $$$. How dare you put a price on the emotional growth and wellbeing of a child. If her parents are not up for this difficult task then they should reach out to their family, friends and professionals around them. We are here. We are willing. Please do not send Emily away again.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 17, 2007, 12:06:00 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Sorry Emily, but I feel I have to out you in order to keep you from being sent away.

Emily Graeber was adopted and welcomed into the heart and home of a couple who believed they could not have a biological child of there own. Wonderful, until Emily's sister came along.
 This young women needs her community to come forward, love her, support her and help her grow into the amazing person she is destined to be. Rabbi Talve, you can expidite this process. Island View is not her community.
 People like Alan Newman see $$$. How dare you put a price on the emotional growth and wellbeing of a child. If her parents are not up for this difficult task then they should reach out to their family, friends and professionals around them. We are here. We are willing. Please do not send Emily away again.


I went thru the entire web site and I didnt see any evidence that this guy has a connection to the Teen help  industry...... also you should not post such personal information about people (Emily)on here with out their permission.



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Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2007, 12:59:01 PM
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The Akers say they contacted a friend of Graber's parents, but wanted to get to San Francisco and confirm the tip was accurate before giving Emily's parents false hope.


link (http://http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=134488)


Just to clear up any confusion. I am glad they are not sending her back to Island View, lets all just hope her parent's learned their lesson and not immediately expect the worse from them. I forgive my parent's for doing what they thought was right for  my sake, even if it wasn't; lets allow Emily the chance to forgive hers as well.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 17, 2007, 01:26:42 PM
Quote from: ""gorbal""
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The Akers say they contacted a friend of Graber's parents, but wanted to get to San Francisco and confirm the tip was accurate before giving Emily's parents false hope.


link (http://http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=134488)


Just to clear up any confusion. I am glad they are not sending her back to Island View, lets all just hope her parent's learned their lesson and not immediately expect the worse from them. I forgive my parent's for doing what they thought was right for  my sake, even if it wasn't; lets allow Emily the chance to forgive hers as well.


Sorry to disagree but....
Forgive the parents?  Are you insane?  Why would the parents need forgiveness for trying to help their kids out?  Now if they neglected to react to obvious signs that their child needed help and their child suffered for it or worse then they may be looking for forgiveness... but right now they are in the midst of trying to do the best they can for their daughter.

Parents dont need to forgive their children for what they do.. seeing them healthy and happy and on the right path is all the forgiveness they need.



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Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Deborah on November 17, 2007, 02:17:10 PM
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Parents dont need to forgive their children for what they do.. seeing them healthy and happy and on the right path is all the forgiveness they need.


Woops another Who Freudian slip.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Deborah on November 17, 2007, 02:27:09 PM
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Sorry Emily, but I feel I have to out you in order to keep you from being sent away.

Emily Graeber was adopted and welcomed into the heart and home of a couple who believed they could not have a biological child of there own. Wonderful, until Emily's sister came along.
 This young women needs her community to come forward, love her, support her and help her grow into the amazing person she is destined to be. Rabbi Talve, you can expidite this process. Island View is not her community.
 People like Alan Newman see $$$. How dare you put a price on the emotional growth and wellbeing of a child. If her parents are not up for this difficult task then they should reach out to their family, friends and professionals around them. We are here. We are willing. Please do not send Emily away again.

I went thru the entire web site and I didnt see any evidence that this guy has a connection to the Teen help  industry...... also you should not post such personal information about people (Emily)on here with out their permission.


You mean like your poor attempt to slander me:

http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=295925#295925 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=295925#295925)
TheWho wrote:
You had a child, which you lost control of, sent away to a program… is it fair for us to say you sat around and did nothing while your kid was sent away? Should we judge your actions and speculate on the lack of parenting skills that led you (the mother) to lose custody of her own children? Courts typically don’t take kids away from their mother very easily… should we all say we cant relate and your lack of parenting is “Mind blowing
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Deborah on November 17, 2007, 02:33:35 PM
BTW, Who, speaking of lack of parenting skills... who cares for your adopted third-world kids while you sit on Fornits 24/7? Is that the nanny's job, or are they already enrolled in one of Aspen's warehouses?
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Deborah on November 17, 2007, 03:41:20 PM
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
Does anyone know if she was taken back home against her will, ala escort company?


A matter of semantic.
Craig Akers stated in the 15 minute video interview that they had police back up in the event that their efforts failed and she attempted to run.
They claim she returned willing based on her grandmother's failing health and her family's promise that she wouldn't have to return to Island View.
Hope that will be the case, or that they don't have another program lined up. They wouldn't technically be breaking a promise if they sent her elsewhere.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 17, 2007, 03:44:44 PM
Quote from: ""Deborah""
BTW, Who, speaking of lack of parenting skills... who cares for your adopted third-world kids while you sit on Fornits 24/7? Is that the nanny's job, or are they already enrolled in one of Aspen's warehouses?


Oh, my,my....Me thinks someone is pissed..... truth hurt?

You should really try to be nicer to people...



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Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: hanzomon4 on November 17, 2007, 04:06:13 PM
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
Does anyone know if she was taken back home against her will, ala escort company?

A matter of semantic.
Craig Akers stated in the 15 minute video interview that they had police back up in the event that their efforts failed and she attempted to run.
They claim she returned willing based on her grandmother's failing health and her family's promise that she wouldn't have to return to Island View.
Hope that will be the case, or that they don't have another program lined up. They wouldn't technically be breaking a promise if they sent her elsewhere.


This girl is only 15, she's doomed...
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2007, 04:40:44 PM
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
Does anyone know if she was taken back home against her will, ala escort company?

A matter of semantic.
Craig Akers stated in the 15 minute video interview that they had police back up in the event that their efforts failed and she attempted to run.
They claim she returned willing based on her grandmother's failing health and her family's promise that she wouldn't have to return to Island View.
Hope that will be the case, or that they don't have another program lined up. They wouldn't technically be breaking a promise if they sent her elsewhere.

This girl is only 15, she's doomed...


What? I and my siblings were sent much younger, and I'm guessing, treated much more horribly. You’re innocent semi shock amazes me, and your paternalistic protectionism is something crazy. You imply that young people should be treated n-n-nicer because they’re young? That they should be regarded with an ounce of empathy or kindness, not cruelty because they’re faulty in some way that-they-are-because-it’s-said so? Not be ground into the ground like a bumble bee on the alter of tough love treatment? CRAZY
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2007, 05:40:03 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Sorry Emily, but I feel I have to out you in order to keep you from being sent away.

Emily Graeber was adopted and welcomed into the heart and home of a couple who believed they could not have a biological child of there own. Wonderful, until Emily's sister came along.
 This young women needs her community to come forward, love her, support her and help her grow into the amazing person she is destined to be. Rabbi Talve, you can expidite this process. Island View is not her community.
 People like Alan Newman see $$$. How dare you put a price on the emotional growth and wellbeing of a child. If her parents are not up for this difficult task then they should reach out to their family, friends and professionals around them. We are here. We are willing. Please do not send Emily away again.

QFT

There are a disproportionate number of adopted kids in programs. Kids are like puppies or cats. They are liked when they are babies, but when they get bigger, more demanding...well they’re not as fun…and the temptation to simply get rid of them is apparently too great to resist, for the adopters. They took them in, why not give them away, again?

For all the accusations of “attachment disorders
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 17, 2007, 05:50:40 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Sorry Emily, but I feel I have to out you in order to keep you from being sent away.

Emily Graeber was adopted and welcomed into the heart and home of a couple who believed they could not have a biological child of there own. Wonderful, until Emily's sister came along.
 This young women needs her community to come forward, love her, support her and help her grow into the amazing person she is destined to be. Rabbi Talve, you can expidite this process. Island View is not her community.
 People like Alan Newman see $$$. How dare you put a price on the emotional growth and wellbeing of a child. If her parents are not up for this difficult task then they should reach out to their family, friends and professionals around them. We are here. We are willing. Please do not send Emily away again.

QFT

There are a disproportionate number of adopted kids in programs. Kids are like puppies or cats. They are liked when they are babies, but when they get bigger, more demanding...well they’re not as fun…and the temptation to simply get rid of them is apparently too great to resist, for the adopters. They took them in, why not give them away, again?

For all the accusations of “attachment disorders
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2007, 06:07:26 PM
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Sorry Emily, but I feel I have to out you in order to keep you from being sent away.

Emily Graeber was adopted and welcomed into the heart and home of a couple who believed they could not have a biological child of there own. Wonderful, until Emily's sister came along.
 This young women needs her community to come forward, love her, support her and help her grow into the amazing person she is destined to be. Rabbi Talve, you can expidite this process. Island View is not her community.
 People like Alan Newman see $$$. How dare you put a price on the emotional growth and wellbeing of a child. If her parents are not up for this difficult task then they should reach out to their family, friends and professionals around them. We are here. We are willing. Please do not send Emily away again.

QFT

There are a disproportionate number of adopted kids in programs. Kids are like puppies or cats. They are liked when they are babies, but when they get bigger, more demanding...well they’re not as fun…and the temptation to simply get rid of them is apparently too great to resist, for the adopters. They took them in, why not give them away, again?

For all the accusations of “attachment disorders
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Deborah on November 17, 2007, 06:25:08 PM
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""Deborah""
BTW, Who, speaking of lack of parenting skills... who cares for your adopted third-world kids while you sit on Fornits 24/7? Is that the nanny's job, or are they already enrolled in one of Aspen's warehouses?

Oh, my,my....Me thinks someone is pissed..... truth hurt?

You should really try to be nicer to people...


Just wondering where your adopted kids are and what they're doing while you sit on Fornits all day, everyday, supporting Aspen.
Are you paying someone else to raise them?
Unlike with your daughter, will you try family therapy before you farm them out to Aspen?
How many adopted kids are in Aspen programs? I know there were many at HLA.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 17, 2007, 06:53:30 PM
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""Deborah""
BTW, Who, speaking of lack of parenting skills... who cares for your adopted third-world kids while you sit on Fornits 24/7? Is that the nanny's job, or are they already enrolled in one of Aspen's warehouses?

Oh, my,my....Me thinks someone is pissed..... truth hurt?

You should really try to be nicer to people...

Just wondering where your adopted kids are and what they're doing while you sit on Fornits all day, everyday, supporting Aspen.
Are you paying someone else to raise them?
Unlike with your daughter, will you try family therapy before you farm them out to Aspen?
How many adopted kids are in Aspen programs? I know there were many at HLA.


Like myself, Emilie’s parents are parenting their children and trying to make the best decision for each child.  They seem to be engaged and actively involved.  All my children are doing well, thank you Deb.  

I think the question, in my mind, is  “Why does someone who lost their right to parent their own children obsess with criticizing, judging or questioning what other parents are doing to help their children?
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2007, 07:16:47 PM
Mr. Graeber, this is the man you gave your adopted daughter to.

Everything else has already been said.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Deborah on November 17, 2007, 07:22:02 PM
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Like myself, Emilie’s parents are parenting their children and trying to make the best decision for each child.  They seem to be engaged and actively involved.  All my children are doing well, thank you Deb.


Didn't ask how they were, I asked what they're doing and who was caring for them while you sit on Fornits day in and day out. I didn't really expect an answer thought, rhetorical.  

Quote from: "TheWho"
I think the question, in my mind, is  “Why does someone who lost their right to parent their own children obsess with criticizing, judging or questioning what other parents are doing to help their children?
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2007, 07:27:37 PM
Quote from: "Deborah"
Quote from: ""TheWho""
I also resent that you're accusing me of not knowing the "details", but you're not even engaged enough with the story to know that the family didn't ask SHF to return the girl to them. SHF took that upon themselves. They didn't even notify the family that they'd located her. And what's that about? A little ego stroking for themselves? Wanted to be involved with the happy reunion? What if one of the parents had wanted to fly out to Ca and bring her home?
If you had been "engaged and actively involved" you could of answered my questions without resorting to slander.


hmm, that's interesting. The parents weren't told that she was found, and they decided to transport her to granma's, independantly?

That's pretty weird....You'd think they could manage a phone call? This thing gets curiouser and curiouser
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 17, 2007, 07:52:59 PM
Deborah wrote:
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The question in my mind is why can't you make a point without resorting to slandering me or anyone else practing their right to free speech and opinion.

Does free speech include altering people words? Or deleting what others have to say.. maybe we should start there.  Did you watch a movie or something?  Get inspired by one of the presidential debates? Why are you so concerned all of a sudden with “free speech
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Deborah on November 17, 2007, 07:59:20 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Quote from: ""TheWho""
I also resent that you're accusing me of not knowing the "details", but you're not even engaged enough with the story to know that the family didn't ask SHF to return the girl to them. SHF took that upon themselves. They didn't even notify the family that they'd located her. And what's that about? A little ego stroking for themselves? Wanted to be involved with the happy reunion? What if one of the parents had wanted to fly out to Ca and bring her home?
If you had been "engaged and actively involved" you could of answered my questions without resorting to slander.

hmm, that's interesting. The parents weren't told that she was found, and they decided to transport her to granma's, independantly?

That's pretty weird....You'd think they could manage a phone call? This thing gets curiouser and curiouser


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Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2007, 08:00:30 PM
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Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Deborah on November 17, 2007, 08:06:24 PM
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Deborah wrote:
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The question in my mind is why can't you make a point without resorting to slandering me or anyone else practing their right to free speech and opinion.

Does free speech include altering people words? Or deleting what others have to say.. maybe we should start there.  Did you watch a movie or something?  Get inspired by one of the presidential debates? Why are you so concerned all of a sudden with “free speech
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 17, 2007, 08:19:46 PM
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Deborah wrote:
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The question in my mind is why can't you make a point without resorting to slandering me or anyone else practing their right to free speech and opinion.

Does free speech include altering people words? Or deleting what others have to say.. maybe we should start there.  Did you watch a movie or something?  Get inspired by one of the presidential debates? Why are you so concerned all of a sudden with “free speech
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Deborah on November 17, 2007, 08:34:44 PM
Quote from: ""TheWho""
well I think I got my point across.. let me run out and find my adoptive kids.. oh wait they are at the Aspen Family picnic this weekend .. I forgot I have the weekend off..


Just to clarify, kids are "adopted". Doesn't "adoptive" appy to the parents/families?
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 17, 2007, 08:43:07 PM
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Quote from: ""TheWho""
well I think I got my point across.. let me run out and find my adoptive kids.. oh wait they are at the Aspen Family picnic this weekend .. I forgot I have the weekend off..

Just to clarify, kids are "adopted". Doesn't "adoptive" appy to the parents/families?


Yes, I corrected my grammatical error, thanks for pointing that out.



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Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Deborah on November 17, 2007, 09:01:58 PM
Yeh, well you've wasted another half hour on here posting things that don't matter, in the bigger picture of life, when you could of spent it with your kids.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 17, 2007, 10:47:20 PM
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Yeh, well you've wasted another half hour on here posting things that don't matter, in the bigger picture of life, when you could of spent it with your kids.


We both know that you dont have that option...tsk..tsk  again with the finger pointing... why dont you get a dog.. but wait dont go down the same path as Ellen DeGeneres , wouldnt want it to happen to you again.



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Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2007, 11:24:19 PM
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Yeh, well you've wasted another half hour on here posting things that don't matter, in the bigger picture of life, when you could of spent it with your kids.

We both know that you dont have that option...tsk..tsk  again with the finger pointing... why dont you get a dog.. but wait dont go down the same path as Ellen DeGeneres , wouldnt want it to happen to you again.



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are you implying that deberah is gay or lost her kids? i cant make heads or tails of that statement? What happened to ellen degneres? Has deberah become a cery successful daytime talk show host?
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Deborah on November 17, 2007, 11:25:45 PM
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Yeh, well you've wasted another half hour on here posting things that don't matter, in the bigger picture of life, when you could of spent it with your kids.

We both know that you dont have that option...tsk..tsk  again with the finger pointing... why dont you get a dog.. but wait dont go down the same path as Ellen DeGeneres , wouldnt want it to happen to you again...


My kids are grown Who. That's how little you actually know about me. I don't know the significance of the ED comment, but assume you're implying I'm a lesbian?
I'm not, but would it matter if I were? Oh yeah, you and Aspen Ed support the "treatment" of homosexuality.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 18, 2007, 12:31:39 PM
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Yeh, well you've wasted another half hour on here posting things that don't matter, in the bigger picture of life, when you could of spent it with your kids.

We both know that you dont have that option...tsk..tsk  again with the finger pointing... why dont you get a dog.. but wait dont go down the same path as Ellen DeGeneres , wouldnt want it to happen to you again...

My kids are grown Who. That's how little you actually know about me. I don't know the significance of the ED comment, but assume you're implying I'm a lesbian?
I'm not, but would it matter if I were? Oh yeah, you and Aspen Ed support the "treatment" of homosexuality.



I forgot, many people don’t make connections very well.  Let me try to explain…. if I were to say “you are as slow as a turtle
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Deborah on November 18, 2007, 01:32:22 PM
Interesting. I can't relate to that story at all. I don't have pets. Not a public figure. Didn't give my kids away (or "loose" them). I find that story to be more analogous to you, Who.

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When pet rescue agency Mutts and Moms heard of Iggy’s new domestic arrangements, it informed DeGeneres that giving away the Brussels Griffon terrier cross was a breach of the adoption contract she had signed.

Well, I guess I signed a piece of paper that says if I can’t keep Iggy, it goes back to the rescue organisation, which is not someone’s home, which is not a family. These two little girls had bonded to the dog. I thought I did a good thing. I tried to find a loving home for the dog because I couldn’t keep it. I was trying to do a good thing.


Wouldn't it be nice is adopted kids had the same protection !!! And were removed from their adoptive parents when they decide parenting is too much and stick them in BM warehouses?
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 18, 2007, 01:46:40 PM
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Interesting. I can't relate to that story at all. I don't have pets. Not a public figure. Didn't give my kids away (or "loose" them). I find that story to be more analogous to you, Who.

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When pet rescue agency Mutts and Moms heard of Iggy’s new domestic arrangements, it informed DeGeneres that giving away the Brussels Griffon terrier cross was a breach of the adoption contract she had signed.

Well, I guess I signed a piece of paper that says if I can’t keep Iggy, it goes back to the rescue organisation, which is not someone’s home, which is not a family. These two little girls had bonded to the dog. I thought I did a good thing. I tried to find a loving home for the dog because I couldn’t keep it. I was trying to do a good thing.


Wouldn't it be nice is adopted kids had the same protection !!! And were removed from their adoptive parents when they decide parenting is too much and stick them in BM warehouses?


In a way they do….. There are what is called “Interrupted adoptions
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2007, 05:01:44 PM
I'm curious how badly the Graeber family is being harassed at this point by Island View desperately trying to save their PR.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 18, 2007, 06:19:05 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I'm curious how badly the Graeber family is being harassed at this point by Island View desperately trying to save their PR.


The only harassment they are getting is from here, believe me.  IV and the parents main concern is Emily at this point and they are working together to decide what is the next best step for her.. whether that be staying home or continuing on with her work at IV (or combination of both).  I am sure they are getting plenty of advice from everyone.



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Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2007, 06:43:11 PM
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believe me


No. You're a pathological liar.

Or do you claim some insider knowledge that you'd like to share with the rest of us?

If Mr. Graeber has the least bit of sense at all, the odds of him and IV working together are between "slim" and "lol".
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2007, 07:15:29 PM
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If Mr. Graeber has the least bit of sense at all, the odds of him and IV working together are between "slim" and "lol".



excellent statement.

Unfortunately, his daughter running puts him in an awkward position.

Presumably, the school will smugly tell him his daughter is at risk of backsliding, I mean she did run  :roll: , and he should send her back to wilderness stat. They'll tell him if she shows 'progress' in wilderness, they might consider letting her go back to THE ISLAND. And because that's more placements, the ed con will charge more.

It's sickening how this industry will prey on scared, frantic parents. Absolutely disgusting.

Don't do it! Keep her home. It can work.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 18, 2007, 07:51:23 PM
You guys are obviously new to this or have never been thru it, (or both)  but everyone is working together,  with “Island View
Title: the Whom
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2007, 08:07:24 PM
[/quote]You guys are obviously new to this or have never been thru it, (or both)
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Don't be so sure about that, Einstein.


And absolutely the parents should NOT listen to THE ISLAND.

Trust your gut. Getting these vultures from this industry to recommend the next step is the absolutely terrible decison you can make.
Title: oops
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2007, 08:09:57 PM
Ha! I am new to posting with this format as evidenced by my previous post.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2007, 08:38:59 PM
Ridiculous. Of course, the program is working the parent! Not to help!

Kids split programs.  Often not because they are "backsliding" but because they are shocked, horrified, frightened and abused!

In fact, splitting to me is often a healthy indicator that the kid has not drank the Kool Aid yet.

The scary thing is that so many kids who have never run away in their lives are willing to risk their personal safety to get out of The Twilight Zone.

I know because I was one of them. I was a total chicken shit wuss, never ran away in my life, but after experiencing the surreal horror of the program I knew I had to split  OR: I would become a lobotomized Stepford programmee, who was forced to lie about my personal history under extreme duress and bully, abuse, and exploit others to get ahead in the program. It was the only way to move through the levels.

Was I some kind of hell raising rebel? Nope. Blended in the wall paper, caused no trouble, was not one of the ones lambasted regularly...

When I left the first time, the program lied to my parents, lied to me, and threatened to put me in lock up even though I had never been a danger to others.  Ever!  They gave my parents THE TYPICAL SPIEL THEY GIVE TO EVERY RUN AWAY's FAMILY and said: don't come up and talk to your kid; your kid will end up deadinsaneorinjailorondrugs if you attempt to withdraw her (none of it true, nor was it true BEFORE the program); lied about drug use to my parents; and basically did everything to protect their interest.

Next time, I planned better. And unlike my Mom, who drank the Kool Aid, my Dad knew something was not kosher when I made it all the way home, safely. He did not send me back--he talked to me. (Thanks, Dad!)

I ran because the program scared me, not because I was a rebel or runaway.  I know of many others who ran with mixed results. There is one kid who has never been found. The program doesn't care about this kid, only their own PR.... their bullshit program spin, and lack of efficacy in dealing with the issue when the kid first ran, woke up the father to realizing how completely full of crap the program was. They didn't care about the kid.

I just think its scary that programs will tell parents not to see or talk to their kids after they are caught.... so once again, the program spins the story, often at the expense of the kid.

When will the kid be first?
Title: bravo
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2007, 08:45:06 PM
good for you.  


I applaud you and your courage for not buying into the program and becoming a lemming. I am sure it wasn't easy.
Title: Pop!
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2007, 09:11:06 PM
I'd like to make another thing clear.

Programs do not want the parents to interface with the child personally. In this way, they can manipulate the parent as ease.  That is why they tell you not to personally visit their child once he or she is caught.

The way they do this is through Fear. They prey on the parents' fear --your kid will be deadinsaneinjailorondrugs if you pull them out.  Unfortunately, this is baloney most of the time.  I know in my case, it was a lie, and in many other cases I have personal knowledge of.  In addition, WE, the kids, often either exaggerated our drug history or in some cases, lied about it, in order to move through the program. We were badgered so badly, we often were coerced to adopt false stories. Then, it became part of our story. We brought into it.  It was crucial that we believe the program was saving us...  the way they do this is by degrading us daily so that we believe the bullshit about ourselves. That we are incapable and worthless. Then, they could posit themselves as our Personal Jesus.

To the pro-program kids on Emily. Wait 5-10-20 years. Nearly every person I know on this site said the same thing you did. Most graduated the program brainwashed. After years and years of wondering why they feel an internal disconnect, why they are having so many problems relating post program, they start to piece the puzzle together.  

Hey parents! How would you like to be having this conversation 5-10-20 years from now?

I recently read a letter from a parent who sent her child to a program 20 years ago. I can tell you right now, she would not say the program had the long term effect she hoped for. Any of you interested in looking back 10-20 years from now only to realize you spent a boat load of cash and hope on your kid only to have them sitting at the fornits site spewing resentment, anger, and pain?

Don't let a good couple of years on paper fool you. Many of us had stellar resumes in an effort to "look good" initially. Inside, we were a mess.

There is a reason there are no longitudinal studies done.

Shanlea
Title: bravo again
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2007, 09:30:14 PM
Clap. Clap. Clap.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 18, 2007, 11:20:21 PM
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I ran because the program scared me, not because I was a rebel or runaway. I know of many others who ran with mixed results. There is one kid who has never been found. The program doesn't care about this kid, only their own PR.... their bullshit program spin, and lack of efficacy in dealing with the issue when the kid first ran, woke up the father to realizing how completely full of crap the program was. They didn't care about the kid.

That must have sucked.  Many here felt the same way when Emily ran off.  They were hoping she would not be found so that they could snub their noses at the parents and school.  Seems everyone has an agenda.

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I just think its scary that programs will tell parents not to see or talk to their kids after they are caught.... so once again, the program spins the story, often at the expense of the kid.

When will the kid be first?


Some schools can make bad decisions, it’s a good thing Island View encouraged the parents to get a search group going and try to encourage communication  and get Emily home.  Its important to get the child stabilized and in a place they feel safe.  I give the school, Emilies friends and Emilies parents a lot of credit in making this happen and gining her a safe place to come back to.  I think everyone is happy at this point and Emily is getting the help she needs.

Good luck Emily!
Title: what
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2007, 11:28:44 PM
nah, I am kinda of pissed at whoever turned her in.

She is no better off and is going to face reverberations especially if she goes back to the pit or to WT.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2007, 11:49:28 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
That must have sucked.  Many here felt the same way when Emily ran off.  They were hoping she would not be found so that they could snub their noses at the parents and school.  Seems everyone has an agenda.

That's neat; how you see into my thoughts like that. Ok, what number am I thinking of...NOW?!!!! Hmmm, didn't hear from you. And you’re just as clueless, and much more insanely self aggrandizing, disingenuous, and lacking in authority to telling me what I hoped happened to his young woman, and why. There are different voices here, ya' know. What I hoped was that she was not just found, but that she declared herself, after she was in a position to have some about what is done to her.

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I just think its scary that programs will tell parents not to see or talk to their kids after they are caught.... so once again, the program spins the story, often at the expense of the kid.
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Some schools can make bad decisions, it’s a good thing Island View encouraged the parents to get a search group going and try to encourage communication  and get Emily home.  Its important to get the child stabilized and in a place they feel safe.  I give the school, Emilies friends and Emilies parents a lot of credit in making this happen and gining her a safe place to come back to.  I think everyone is happy at this point and Emily is getting the help she needs.
Good luck Emily!


Telling someone not to contact your kid isn't a bad decision, it's a legal crime. As someone who engages in these sorts of crimes, that's a distinction you like to neglect. How do YOU know what Island View encouraged?

 We do know that they had people posting asking her to come back, because her running away was so, so, so selfish, and there would be "amends" she’d have to make, but it was worth it. As you know as well as I what amends are, we know the "decisions" that island view makes aren't much different than the one dealt with by Shanlea, a cedu survivor,(I think)  a torture center now officially recognized as an abusive cult, that also used "amends".
Title: Re: what
Post by: TheWho on November 18, 2007, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: ""a voice from nowhere""
nah, I am kinda of pissed at whoever turned her in.

She is no better off and is going to face reverberations especially if she goes back to the pit or to WT.


she is much better off then being on the streets.  That is the most dangerous place for a young girl, runaway, with no street smarts,  thats no life.  She belongs with her family or back at IV to finish her program.. she has a nice long life ahead of her and a chance to be happy if she can get thru this rough spot.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 19, 2007, 12:01:08 AM
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What I hoped was that she was not just found, but that she declared herself, after she was in a position to have some about what is done to her.


Its a good thing she didnt listen to you because that is not what she wanted.  No body wants that, ever.  what kids want is a family that loves and cares for them and whom they can love back.  She is going thru a rough time and needs a little extra help than most kids.

Of course the school encouraged the parents to locate and contact her, which they did and Emily wanted to come home.  She will eventually have to come to terms with her feelings which caused her to run and this will happen in her own natural time either at home or under the supervision of a trained counselor.

I think we are all happy that she is safe and getting the help she needs.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Deborah on November 19, 2007, 12:02:01 AM
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Some schools can make bad decisions, it’s a good thing Island View encouraged the parents to get a search group going and try to encourage communication and get Emily home.

Where was that reported, Who? (You're the only one who spells her name Emily and Emilie.)
The parents had to be "encouraged" by IV to get a search group going? Pulezzzzz.
Or are they truely so "unengaged and univolved" that they had to be told to search for their daughter?

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I think everyone is happy at this point and Emily is getting the help she needs.


And you know this, how?
Title: Re: what
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2007, 12:03:27 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""a voice from nowhere""
nah, I am kinda of pissed at whoever turned her in.

She is no better off and is going to face reverberations especially if she goes back to the pit or to WT.

she is much better off then being on the streets.  That is the most dangerous place for a young girl, runaway, with no street smarts,  thats no life.  She belongs with her family or back at IV to finish her program.. she has a nice long life ahead of her and a chance to be happy if she can get thru this rough spot.


Intersting, is a girl better off in a torture-cult devoted to destroying her, unravelling her brain like a spool of red yarn? Or, living with that nice family who turned her in, misguidedly, beleiving her family was nice, like theirs. Any family that would have Island view in on the discussions as Who says (not that you can beleive the aspen industry pr man) is not nice.

As tough as it is without parents, you are often better off without the sort that would send you to live life in an insitution, and you are better off on the street than in program, as you stand a better chance of coming out of them OK.
Title: Re: what
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2007, 12:03:44 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""a voice from nowhere""
nah, I am kinda of pissed at whoever turned her in.

She is no better off and is going to face reverberations especially if she goes back to the pit or to WT.

she is much better off then being on the streets.  That is the most dangerous place for a young girl, runaway, with no street smarts,  thats no life.  She belongs with her family or back at IV to finish her program.. she has a nice long life ahead of her and a chance to be happy if she can get thru this rough spot.


Intersting, is a girl better off in a torture-cult devoted to destroying her, unravelling her brain like a spool of red yarn? Or, living with that nice family who turned her in, misguidedly, beleiving her family was nice, like theirs. Any family that would have Island view in on the discussions as Who says (not that you can beleive the aspen industry pr man) is not nice.

As tough as it is without parents, you are often better off without the sort that would send you to live life in an insitution, and you are better off on the street than in program, as you stand a better chance of coming out of them OK.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 19, 2007, 12:07:48 AM
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Some schools can make bad decisions, it’s a good thing Island View encouraged the parents to get a search group going and try to encourage communication and get Emily home.

Where was that reported, Who? (You're the only one who spells her name Emily and Emilie.)
The parents had to be "encouraged" by IV to get a search group going? Pulezzzzz.
Or are they truely so "unengaged and univolved" that they had to be told to search for their daughter?

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I think everyone is happy at this point and Emily is getting the help she needs.

And you know this, how?


Not so sure you are right there, Deborah,  The original poster calls her Emily also.  what is it you think her name is?
Title: Re: what
Post by: TheWho on November 19, 2007, 12:15:41 AM
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Quote from: ""a voice from nowhere""
nah, I am kinda of pissed at whoever turned her in.

She is no better off and is going to face reverberations especially if she goes back to the pit or to WT.

she is much better off then being on the streets.  That is the most dangerous place for a young girl, runaway, with no street smarts,  thats no life.  She belongs with her family or back at IV to finish her program.. she has a nice long life ahead of her and a chance to be happy if she can get thru this rough spot.

Intersting, is a girl better off in a torture-cult devoted to destroying her, unravelling her brain like a spool of red yarn? Or, living with that nice family who turned her in, misguidedly, beleiving her family was nice, like theirs. Any family that would have Island view in on the discussions as Who says (not that you can beleive the aspen industry pr man) is not nice.

As tough as it is without parents, you are often better off without the sort that would send you to live life in an insitution, and you are better off on the street than in program, as you stand a better chance of coming out of them OK.


Actually chances are she would be dead living on the streets in a short time.  Kids do much better with family or with people who they love and/or who love them.  Second to that they are better of in a place where they can heal and grow.  The last place for a child is on the streets.  You certainly dont know much about street life or city living for a runaway teen age girl.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2007, 12:18:35 AM
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Some schools can make bad decisions, it’s a good thing Island View encouraged the parents to get a search group going and try to encourage communication and get Emily home.

Where was that reported, Who? (You're the only one who spells her name Emily and Emilie.)
The parents had to be "encouraged" by IV to get a search group going? Pulezzzzz.
Or are they truely so "unengaged and univolved" that they had to be told to search for their daughter?

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I think everyone is happy at this point and Emily is getting the help she needs.

I'm guessing this expert is trying to indicate the possessive proper noun form of “Emily
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2007, 12:45:04 AM
Whom, no one wants to read your volley shots and returns with Deborah.





That is the most dangerous place for a young girl, runaway, with no street smarts, thats no life.


so she was living on the streets? I don't think so.


THE ISLAND is considering her for a JAN 08 re-admission. After she spends 8 weeks in Second Nature. Afer her poor parents are spent and probably grateful THE ISLAND will take her back.

Disgusting.

Show those assholes, Emily's parents. Don't send her back. Even when you have the peer group leader calling you spineless if your daugher runs and you welcome her back home.
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: TheWho on November 19, 2007, 07:33:46 AM
Quote from: ""a Mom""
Whom, no one wants to read your volley shots and returns with Deborah.





That is the most dangerous place for a young girl, runaway, with no street smarts, thats no life.


so she was living on the streets? I don't think so.


THE ISLAND is considering her for a JAN 08 re-admission. After she spends 8 weeks in Second Nature. Afer her poor parents are spent and probably grateful THE ISLAND will take her back.

Disgusting.

Show those assholes, Emily's parents. Don't send her back. Even when you have the peer group leader calling you spineless if your daugher runs and you welcome her back home.


The streets is where most run aways end up.  A young girl without street smarts wouldnt last too long.  She was lucky
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2007, 10:41:01 AM
QFTing.

Quote from: ""Guest""
Ridiculous. Of course, the program is working the parent! Not to help!

Kids split programs.  Often not because they are "backsliding" but because they are shocked, horrified, frightened and abused!

In fact, splitting to me is often a healthy indicator that the kid has not drank the Kool Aid yet.

The scary thing is that so many kids who have never run away in their lives are willing to risk their personal safety to get out of The Twilight Zone.

I know because I was one of them. I was a total chicken shit wuss, never ran away in my life, but after experiencing the surreal horror of the program I knew I had to split  OR: I would become a lobotomized Stepford programmee, who was forced to lie about my personal history under extreme duress and bully, abuse, and exploit others to get ahead in the program. It was the only way to move through the levels.

Was I some kind of hell raising rebel? Nope. Blended in the wall paper, caused no trouble, was not one of the ones lambasted regularly...

When I left the first time, the program lied to my parents, lied to me, and threatened to put me in lock up even though I had never been a danger to others.  Ever!  They gave my parents THE TYPICAL SPIEL THEY GIVE TO EVERY RUN AWAY's FAMILY and said: don't come up and talk to your kid; your kid will end up deadinsaneorinjailorondrugs if you attempt to withdraw her (none of it true, nor was it true BEFORE the program); lied about drug use to my parents; and basically did everything to protect their interest.

Next time, I planned better. And unlike my Mom, who drank the Kool Aid, my Dad knew something was not kosher when I made it all the way home, safely. He did not send me back--he talked to me. (Thanks, Dad!)

I ran because the program scared me, not because I was a rebel or runaway.  I know of many others who ran with mixed results. There is one kid who has never been found. The program doesn't care about this kid, only their own PR.... their bullshit program spin, and lack of efficacy in dealing with the issue when the kid first ran, woke up the father to realizing how completely full of crap the program was. They didn't care about the kid.

I just think its scary that programs will tell parents not to see or talk to their kids after they are caught.... so once again, the program spins the story, often at the expense of the kid.

When will the kid be first?
Title: Re: Pop!
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2007, 10:42:21 AM
QFTing some more.

Quote from: ""Bubble burster""
I'd like to make another thing clear.

Programs do not want the parents to interface with the child personally. In this way, they can manipulate the parent as ease.  That is why they tell you not to personally visit their child once he or she is caught.

The way they do this is through Fear. They prey on the parents' fear --your kid will be deadinsaneinjailorondrugs if you pull them out.  Unfortunately, this is baloney most of the time.  I know in my case, it was a lie, and in many other cases I have personal knowledge of.  In addition, WE, the kids, often either exaggerated our drug history or in some cases, lied about it, in order to move through the program. We were badgered so badly, we often were coerced to adopt false stories. Then, it became part of our story. We brought into it.  It was crucial that we believe the program was saving us...  the way they do this is by degrading us daily so that we believe the bullshit about ourselves. That we are incapable and worthless. Then, they could posit themselves as our Personal Jesus.

To the pro-program kids on Emily. Wait 5-10-20 years. Nearly every person I know on this site said the same thing you did. Most graduated the program brainwashed. After years and years of wondering why they feel an internal disconnect, why they are having so many problems relating post program, they start to piece the puzzle together.  

Hey parents! How would you like to be having this conversation 5-10-20 years from now?

I recently read a letter from a parent who sent her child to a program 20 years ago. I can tell you right now, she would not say the program had the long term effect she hoped for. Any of you interested in looking back 10-20 years from now only to realize you spent a boat load of cash and hope on your kid only to have them sitting at the fornits site spewing resentment, anger, and pain?

Don't let a good couple of years on paper fool you. Many of us had stellar resumes in an effort to "look good" initially. Inside, we were a mess.

There is a reason there are no longitudinal studies done.

Shanlea
Title: Emily
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2007, 11:19:31 AM
No one wishes her to be on the streets.

However, the concern here is that she will be returned to the program that will subject her to trenchant psychological abuse. The fact she ran away will be used against her... Instead of caring for her and making her feel emotionally safe and respecting the root reason for her departure, they will criminalize her.  Now, the iron clamp will come down and she will be in a tighter box. Her problems will just become conflated.

Another problem is that parents turn to the program as the expert, instead of listening to their gut or their heart.  I've seen this happen across the board. They simply do what the program tells them to do, but don't investigate the matter for themselves.   They don't take their child's concerns seriously or respectfully.

Emily will likely buckle under new constraints, drink the Kool Aid, etc.   But don't count out the possibility that she will be on Fornits in 5 or 10 wondering wtf happened.
Title: Re: what
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2007, 10:33:15 AM
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nah, I am kinda of pissed at whoever turned her in.

She is no better off and is going to face reverberations especially if she goes back to the pit or to WT.

she is much better off then being on the streets.  That is the most dangerous place for a young girl, runaway, with no street smarts,  thats no life.  She belongs with her family or back at IV to finish her program.. she has a nice long life ahead of her and a chance to be happy if she can get thru this rough spot.

Intersting, is a girl better off in a torture-cult devoted to destroying her, unravelling her brain like a spool of red yarn? Or, living with that nice family who turned her in, misguidedly, beleiving her family was nice, like theirs. Any family that would have Island view in on the discussions as Who says (not that you can beleive the aspen industry pr man) is not nice.

As tough as it is without parents, you are often better off without the sort that would send you to live life in an insitution, and you are better off on the street than in program, as you stand a better chance of coming out of them OK.

Actually chances are she would be dead living on the streets in a short time.  Kids do much better with family or with people who they love and/or who love them.  Second to that they are better of in a place where they can heal and grow.  The last place for a child is on the streets.  You certainly dont know much about street life or city living for a runaway teen age girl.


But she wasn't on the streets. Here's my thing, if her family really isn't going to send her back to Island View, I'm glad she got to   go home to see her grandmother before she passed.

But if  that places is as  bad as  they say it is and they DID send her back....I'm sorry but I would rather she be  with the "nice family" and her parent's can remain worried till the cows come home if that would keep her out of harms way.

I wish them a happy thanksgiving together...oh it's snowing outside.
Title: emily
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2007, 12:49:45 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""a Mom""
Whom, no one wants to read your volley shots and returns with Deborah.





That is the most dangerous place for a young girl, runaway, with no street smarts, thats no life.


so she was living on the streets? I don't think so.


THE ISLAND is considering her for a JAN 08 re-admission. After she spends 8 weeks in Second Nature. Afer her poor parents are spent and probably grateful THE ISLAND will take her back.

Disgusting.

Show those assholes, Emily's parents. Don't send her back. Even when you have the peer group leader calling you spineless if your daugher runs and you welcome her back home.

The streets is where most run aways end up.  A young girl without street smarts wouldnt last too long.  She was lucky



she had street smarts
Title: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2007, 07:41:31 PM
Does anyone know if she's going back?

someone trustworthy?
Title: Re: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2009, 11:19:41 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
Does anyone know if she's going back?

someone trustworthy?



this is emily. i did go back and after another 9 months, i graduated and am now at a boarding school in new hampshier called the white mountain school. its been a year now since i ran away, it feels like it was yesterday now.
just wanted to let everybody know that im doing fine, although i hate my school a lot.
peace and love
emily
Title: Re: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Oscar on January 02, 2009, 03:23:27 AM
Quote from: "emily graeber"
Quote from: "Guest"
Does anyone know if she's going back?

someone trustworthy?



this is emily. i did go back and after another 9 months, i graduated and am now at a boarding school in new hampshier called the white mountain school. its been a year now since i ran away, it feels like it was yesterday now.
just wanted to let everybody know that im doing fine, although i hate my school a lot.
peace and love
emily
I am truly sorry that you had to go through that. If it becoming too hard to adjust back to the real world our wiki datasheet (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Island_view) has a lot of links to survivor groups, who knows what you are dealing with. You are unfortunately not alone.

Stay strong. Maybe 2009 would be the year you can be released back into society. I have checked your present boarding school and while they use wilderness and community service, which here in Denmark are regarded for as an alternative only, it seems that it is less a prison.
Title: Re: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2009, 04:36:45 PM
Quote from: "emily graeber"
Quote from: "Guest"
Does anyone know if she's going back?

someone trustworthy?



this is emily. i did go back and after another 9 months, i graduated and am now at a boarding school in new hampshier called the white mountain school. its been a year now since i ran away, it feels like it was yesterday now.
just wanted to let everybody know that im doing fine, although i hate my school a lot.
peace and love
emily

is this the real emily? Is there anyway to verify that?
emily if you can talk what is your "school" like now? What was I.V. like?
Title: Re: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2009, 04:02:01 PM
What's gets to me the most is that they said they weren't going to send her back....in the end it's her decision if she ever forgives him.
Title: Re: what
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2009, 04:08:40 PM
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nah, I am kinda of pissed at whoever turned her in.


Actually chances are she would be dead living on the streets in a short time.  Kids do much better with family or with people who they love and/or who love them.  Second to that they are better of in a place where they can heal and grow.  The last place for a child is on the streets.  You certainly dont know much about street life or city living for a runaway teen age girl.

But she wasn't on the streets. Here's my thing, if her family really isn't going to send her back to Island View, I'm glad she got to   go home to see her grandmother before she passed.

But if  that places is as  bad as  they say it is and they DID send her back....I'm sorry but I would rather she be  with the "nice family" and her parent's can remain worried till the cows come home if that would keep her out of harms way.

I wish them a happy thanksgiving together...oh it's snowing outside.

Looking back, I wonder if she wouldn't have been better off not going back....it sounds like she would have been much safer where she was if what I am hearing is true.
Title: Re: TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
Post by: jakegon on September 15, 2009, 02:57:58 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
DO NOT attempt to contact your parents until you are over the age of 18!

DO NOT reveal yourself to ANYONE you cannot absolutely trust - THIS INCLUDES ALL FAMILY MEMBERS WHO DID NOT HELP YOU ESCAPE - in any way!

DO NOT use your real name if at all possible.

CHANGE YOUR APPEARANCE as much as you can.

LEAVE THE COUNTRY if at all possible!

Assume that your parents WILL send you back to that hellhole if at all possible.

YOU ARE BEING TRACKED BY THE FEDS. Find a new hiding spot if the person hiding you ever showed up with you on any security camera.

TO THE FBI: Fucking investigate Island View (http://http://www.aspeninstitute.info) itself while you're at it, huh?

its perfect idea they installed a security cameras, this is a good evidence..


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Title: New lawsuit against Aspen Education Group
Post by: Oscar on August 14, 2015, 03:31:46 AM
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If you went to a program owned by Aspen Education Group PLEASE READ!! Lawsuit starting (https://www.reddit.com/r/troubledteens/comments/3gsf0u/if_you_went_to_a_program_owned_by_aspen_education/) (Reddit thread)

Hi, I have never posted on reddit, just looked around the troubled teen areas. My name is Emily, I am 23 years old and a survivor of Aspen's Second Nature and Island View RTC.

For the last two years, I have been doing heavy research on the troubled teen industry, specifically Aspen programs. I have talked to over 50 lawyers and am still looking. I have been encouraged by several lawyers to gather as many people as I can and have them write testimonies. These testimonies will be the driving force in starting this lawsuit. These testimonies will help the lawyer piece together a giant case. We have around 25 people right now that are working hard on testimonies and I cam coming here to reddit to encourage anybody that was sent to an Aspen program; RTCs, Wilderness Programs, Weight Loss Camps, or any academy/school/facility run by Aspen; to contact me if you want to be part of this lawsuit. We are not even at the minimum number of people needed for a really solid Class Action Lawsuit. Power in numbers!!If you contact me I will send you a general overview of what this is about and how to help. It would be greatly appreciated and so worth it for all of us. A huge goal in this is to expose Aspen Education Group, CRC Health, Family Help & Wellness, and of course Island View/Elevations, and all the other schools and facilities. Island View was "shut down", and re-opened as "Elevations", ( Former "head of education" now RUNS elevations-not qualified) and people that were night staff when I was there are now in very high up positions. The company that owns Elevations is called Family Help and Wellness, owned by Opal Creek Capital, owned by a former Leader at CRC/Aspen Education group. So basically, aspen still owns Elevations. There are a few other schools that Family Help and Wellness own, a few employees of Island View went off and started their own RTC; solstice which has 2 locations, yet, they are owned by the same company that owns Elevations. When these employees left they told us it was to get away from the intensity of Island View. Another Aspen school that was closed was re-opened and purchased by Family Help and Wellness. Their solutions to the many many lawsuits is to shut down and re open in what looks like a totally different company/ownership,but still run the same exact abusive programs. These companies promote Institutional Child Abuse, and every single day that these programs are open, children are being abused, and we need to do something about that. As survivors of places owned by Aspen, we need to come together and hold them accountable for what they did to all of us, and for all the innocent life's lost because they could no longer handle the pain. I graduated in 2009 and still go through daily suffering as a result of these programs. We were abused and traumatized, our childhoods ruined, our parents bank accounts drained for the sake of our "treatment". It is infuriating that parents pay upwards of $10,000/month to keep children in highly abusive settings. I want to help bring awareness to the horror that is the Troubled Teen Industry.

Please feel free to contact me here on reddit email: emily_g143@yahoo.com or facebook: Emily Graeber

Title: EMILY GRAEBER update
Post by: Oscar on August 26, 2016, 02:14:52 PM
Treatment Centers for Troubled Teens Are Gothic Nightmares (http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/08/24/the_huffington_post_publishes_a_horrifying_piece_about_troubled_teen_residential.html) (Slate)