Charging Parents as Accomplices

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[TheWho]

There will come a day when a child sues their parent, if it hasn't happened already.

You people seem to forget.  It is the parent, not the program, who sponsors the treatment of their child.  They (the parents)  are the ones writing the checks.  No one forced them to do this.  Sure, they were conned.  But since when is being ignorant or foolish an excuse for child abuse?

There is a good reason why parents as well as programs should be held accountable and that is to set a precedent that abandoning the emotional, physical and mental needs of their children is child abuse.

Personally, I have heard of at least one survivor who has talked openly of suing his mother.  He had been in programs since the age of 16 and had no real substance abuse problems and was even a A student.  I think the problem he ran into was there are not a lot of lawyers willing to sue a parent unless that parent has substantial assets.  They much prefer to sue programs who carry large liability insurance policies and can be hit with substantial punitive judgements, as well.  

Nevertheless, it's worth a try if one can find a lawyer.  I would check with HEAL.

Follow the money trail ....and..... anyone can be sued.  Doesn’t mean you will win, but if there are cases where a child was placed into a program for no apparent reason or the child can show there was no need for him to be there then I believe he/she would have a case.

There are all kinds of people out there, believe me, and I am sure this has happened.  Of the 20,000 kids going thru programs each year I am sure (based on a purely statistical stand point) there are some that shouldn’t be there and these kids could potentially sue their parents.



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[Anne Bonney]

I can only think of one kid out of the 350+ that were in Straight with me that had anything even CLOSE to a "problem".  These places don't really care if there is or isn't a problem.  If the parents are coming to them, they assume there is one.   That's why parents should shoulder quite a bit of the responsibility for what is done to their kids, with their permission.  Maybe back in my day parents would have an excuse.  They didn't know or whatever.  But now?  Nope.  There's enough resources and info out there that should send every single parent screaming in horror AWAY from the shitpits.  But they're not.  Junior gets out of line, makes life difficult for mommy and daddy and BAM, Junior goes away.  Problem solved.

[Anonymous]

I can only think of one kid out of the 350+ that were in Straight with me that had anything even CLOSE to a "problem".  These places don't really care if there is or isn't a problem.  If the parents are coming to them, they assume there is one.   That's why parents should shoulder quite a bit of the responsibility for what is done to their kids, with their permission.  Maybe back in my day parents would have an excuse.  They didn't know or whatever.  But now?  Nope.  There's enough resources and info out there that should send every single parent screaming in horror AWAY from the shitpits.  But they're not.  Junior gets out of line, makes life difficult for mommy and daddy and BAM, Junior goes away.  Problem solved.

all the average parent today knows about RTC's is that Junior down the block went to one, and came home acting more appropriately, and his parents are just thrilled about their experience. THEY HAVE NO FRICKING IDEA.

[TheWho]

Anne Bonney wrote:

I can only think of one kid out of the 350+ that were in Straight with me that had anything even CLOSE to a "problem

Well you were a kid yourself at the time and probably didn’t speak with the kids doctors, advocates or parents (maybe straight was different than the schools today).  I am sure you could walk into any situation in which kids were in a place they didn’t want to be and ask them… “How many of you deserve or want to be here today?â€

[TheWho]

I can only think of one kid out of the 350+ that were in Straight with me that had anything even CLOSE to a "problem".  These places don't really care if there is or isn't a problem.  If the parents are coming to them, they assume there is one.   That's why parents should shoulder quite a bit of the responsibility for what is done to their kids, with their permission.  Maybe back in my day parents would have an excuse.  They didn't know or whatever.  But now?  Nope.  There's enough resources and info out there that should send every single parent screaming in horror AWAY from the shitpits.  But they're not.  Junior gets out of line, makes life difficult for mommy and daddy and BAM, Junior goes away.  Problem solved.

all the average parent today knows about RTC's is that Junior down the block went to one, and came home acting more appropriately, and his parents are just thrilled about their experience. THEY HAVE NO FRICKING IDEA.

I buy that also, parents are result driven.... if they talk to other parents or see a big change or improvement in a child after coming home from a program they may be less apt to investigate it as much before deciding to send there kid.

Good point, thanks



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[Nihilanthic]

Well you were a kid yourself at the time and probably didn’t speak with the kids doctors, advocates or parents (maybe straight was different than the schools today).  I am sure you could walk into any situation in which kids were in a place they didn’t want to be and ask them… “How many of you deserve or want to be here today?â€

[CCM girl 1989]

Geez Niles, I keep forgetting........what program were you in?

[Nihilanthic]

Geez Niles, I keep forgetting........what program were you in?

I do not have to have had my rights trampled to stand up for the rights of others who are being trampled, CCMGirl.

I don't have to have been in a jail to find it appalling and want to change that.

I don't have to have been an orphan to stand up for orphans.

I don't have to be a woman to stand up for women, and I do... just not you.

I don't have to still be a child to stand up for children.

I don't have to have Cancer to help someone who is going through that and suffered bullshit "treatment" from an inept doctor, either, but guess what...

I don't need your approval to be here, or speak my mind, or stand up for people, children or otherwise, no matter what is hurting them, be it a program, The Who, or your PMS!

[CCM girl 1989]

So, you saying that when you are standing up for women you say something to the effect, I am standing up for all women except for CCM girl?

That makes me so sad, I can't even tell you! No wonder why every other woman at work has gotten a pay increase except for me?!!

[TheWho]

Well you were a kid yourself at the time and probably didn’t speak with the kids doctors, advocates or parents (maybe straight was different than the schools today).  I am sure you could walk into any situation in which kids were in a place they didn’t want to be and ask them… “How many of you deserve or want to be here today?â€

[Anonymous]

CCM is a pitiful excuse for a "survivor" and has some obvious "control" issues she needs to attend to, instead of posting on Fornits ad nauseum.

Niles is a true humanitarian and highly respected for his creative genius, outspoken advocacy and finely tuned sense of humor.

CCM could learn a lot from someone like Niles but what she really needs is a good shrink, IMO.

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[Botched Programming]

What gets me is CCM did not graduate any program. She copped out at 16 and stayed hid until she was of legal age.

Why in the hell would she come in here and spread pro-program propaganda. Would the programs that she is supporting use her as a testimony to their success. Again she is the beaming example of how programs change and save lives. ::roflmao::

CCM.... Answer me this.... Are you on the payroll as well as Who???

[Nihilanthic]

l now you finally have a chance to back yourself up for a change (using dialog).  Why not bring some facts or studies to the table to back up some of your claims.  Take some of your own advice......  I will wait.  I think you will see you are better at posting pictures and porn than you are facts.. lets see how well you do

Before I say anything, I'd like to post links to the following two articles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology

I won't clutter this post with that, people can click easily enough.

Now then, TheWho, there is something you don't seem to get. PROGRAMS have the burden of proof on them. Anyone offering treatment has to diagnose a problem, treat it, and prove it works.

Thirty years, remember? Among approximately 900 programs operating presently, during that time span NONE have managed to do that!

Instead, they cite subjective nonsense, studies by students that amounts to an opinion piece regarding their "potential" while also admitting to using abusive practices, and basically say its a matter of "experience" and the teenager forced into the situation to make the most of it, not any responsibility of theirs.

That is Bullshit by any other name. Everyone knows that. If a program says they do something, they have to prove it. If they say something is wrong with a child, they have to prove it. Instead they blame the person who supposedly needs outside help for not making the most of what was done "for" them, keep them there for years, isolate them, and force them to complete a quack "curriculum" of "personal growth" and other such debunked nonsense with new names and tuned for appeal to the current population and their respective fears.




I posted the link to epistemology because you apparently don't know very well what the truth is, hopefully you'll start to get it. But if you did, I doubt you'd act different, you need to keep your job after all, right?