Guards, Nurse Aquitted in Florida Boot Camp Death

[Anonymous]

link

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/10/12/bo ... index.html

[exhausted]

pfffft, shove ammonia up her nostrils and see how long it takes her to die

after all it's not fucking ILLEGAL is it

[Nihilanthic]

Apparently at boot camps you can cause someones death but not be held accountable.

Good thing they closed them, but lets see how long THAT lasts.

[psy]

pfffft, shove ammonia up her nostrils and see how long it takes her to die

after all it's not fucking ILLEGAL is it

Couple of interesting questions this raises:

Say the guards didn't mean to kill the kid.  Say they were not properly trained.  Would the fault then rest primarily on the School then?  Would they then be guilty of a lesser assault charge of some sort rather than murder?  Because somebody is definately responsible for his death...  If I'm not mistaken, woudn't the family still have a good chance at a civil suit against the management at the school?

[hanzomon4]

Looks like the Justice Department is going to review the case

Justice Department to review

WASHINGTON -- The Justice Department announced Friday it will review evidence concerning the death of Martin Lee Anderson, who collapsed at a Bay County boot camp for juvenile offenders.

The announcement came shortly after a Florida jury found the eight facility employees on trial for Anderson’s death not guilty.

“The Civil Rights Division and the U.S. Attorney’s Office will conduct a thorough and independent review of all of the evidence, including the state trial transcripts, and take appropriate action if the evidence indicates a prosecutable violation of federal criminal civil rights statutes,â€

[TheWho]

Seems no one is going to do jail time, although I am surprised the nurse didn’t get convicted she was standing right there the whole time as a medical professional, was she not informed the child had sickle cell trait?  If she wasn’t then why?  (That is where the fault lies, IMO, right here)  If they use this as a template I don’t think anyone could be convicted in the future.  The guards didn’t know any better, they abuse kids all day long for a living and know a healthy child should have survived that whole ordeal; they are guilty of abuse but not murder.

Its tricky, the school should shoulder the responsibility in a civil suit and the parents would at least get a hefty monetary settlement (Like the O.J. case).  But the dam nurse gets in the way… she is the professional and since she got off the hook how can they fault the school (legally)?

I didn’t  followed the second half of the trial so I don’t know why she got off.




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[hanzomon4]

Of course the guards should be convicted of murder/manslaughter, their actions killed the boy(suffocation from the ammonia). Nurse should be too for failing to render aid. I would have loved for the prosecution to ask if the guards(cops right?) would have recognized this kind of treatment as child abuse had they been called to a home and found this kind thing being done by parents. They can claim training all they want, but if they were trained to rape someone as punishment it wouldn't justify them actually doing it.

[TheWho]

Of course the guards should be convicted of murder/manslaughter, their actions killed the boy(suffocation from the ammonia).

I thought it was due to complications from the boy having sickle cell trait?  If that is the case then the guards may not have known this....

[Antigen]

Nevermind lemon party. Forget about goatass, Just read these comments  ::puke::

[Oz girl]

I wonder if those guards had gotten into a bar brawl where they beat a guy repeatedly and then when he passed out stuffed ammonia up his nose whether they would face aquittal??

[hanzomon4]

Of course the guards should be convicted of murder/manslaughter, their actions killed the boy(suffocation from the ammonia).

I thought it was due to complications from the boy having sickle cell trait?  If that is the case then the guards may not have known this....

No, two examiners said that the trait was a factor but cited the ammonia and covering of his mouth as the main cause. One Doctor said that Anderson would have died regardless, trait or not. In short the trait didn't kill him, it was being ran and then suffocated that killed him. Had they not suffocated him he would not have died.

[TheWho]

Of course the guards should be convicted of murder/manslaughter, their actions killed the boy(suffocation from the ammonia).

I thought it was due to complications from the boy having sickle cell trait?  If that is the case then the guards may not have known this....

No, two examiners said that the trait was a factor but cited the ammonia and covering of his mouth as the main cause. One Doctor said that Anderson would have died regardless. In short the trait didn't kill him, it was being ran and then suffocated that killed him. Had they not suffocated him he would not have died.

Well, I was following the case (hour by hour) for awhile there and it seemed they were heading down a path that the sickle cell caused the complications (which in my mind would get the guards off the hook because they might not have been informed) but the registered(?) nurse was there and should have taken full responsibility.  I thought she would have been given jail time (unless someone withheld the info from her) but now you say sickle cell wasn’t the issue?

Then why weren’t they all convicted if the use of ammonia and suffocation was the cause?  I would have to agree that if a child dies someone would have to be responsible (if it wasn’t caused by an existing condition).  Maybe they (the courts) realize the state/school is going to be sued anyway and are tossing this aside to allow a civil suit to take place and settle this monetarily.. the prisons are over crowded especially in Florida.... possible reason I guess

[hanzomon4]

Well, it wasn't the court's that let them off the hook as part of some legal strategy. The jury simply got it wrong, they bought the argument that child abuse in boot camps ain't abuse, that the guards were just doing as they were trained(despite common sense), and that the "faking until proven dead" excuse is A ok.

Lord this world needs an enema.....

[TheWho]

Well, it wasn't the court's that let them off the hook as part of some legal strategy. The jury simply got it wrong, they bought the argument that child abuse in boot camps ain't abuse, that the guards were just doing as they were trained(despite common sense), and that the "faking until proven dead" excuse is A ok.

Lord this world needs an enema.....

Kind of agree, something doesnt seem right....I am sure they are persuing a civil case to at least get a monetary settlement, that really surprises me.

[hanzomon4]

They already got a settlement from the state. Are you saying they may try to sue the individuals(guards, nurse)? I doubt it, I'm sure they have some sort of immunity.