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« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2007, 02:33:56 PM »
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very few programs still imploy thorazine and pepper spray, thats reserved for mental institutions and actual prisons.


TB, Paradise Cove and Peninsula Village come to mind.
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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2007, 03:14:22 PM »
Thorazine can be prescribed for many reasons from extreme behavior problems (short term) or used to calm someone before surgery, schizophrenia I think too, but overall not a very good choice of medication in my opinion… there are so many other options available, but I can see some doctors prescribing it for special circumstances, I guess.  

But why would a school need to keep pepper spray on hand?  This doesn’t make any sense, what could possibly happen to justify the use of this on school grounds?
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« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2007, 03:36:32 PM »
Three Springs Waygookin, most kids in programs are not allowed to keep gifts sent to them by thier own parents. Owners, staff confiscate the gifts. Doubt if gifts from strangers would be handed out, either.
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« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2007, 04:03:48 PM »
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Thorazine can be prescribed for many reasons from extreme behavior problems (short term) or used to calm someone before surgery, schizophrenia I think too, but overall not a very good choice of medication in my opinion… there are so many other options available, but I can see some doctors prescribing it for special circumstances, I guess.  

But why would a school need to keep pepper spray on hand?  This doesn’t make any sense, what could possibly happen to justify the use of this on school grounds?


What about NATSAP's Penninsula Village?
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« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2007, 05:14:50 PM »
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Three Springs Waygookin, most kids in programs are not allowed to keep gifts sent to them by thier own parents. Owners, staff confiscate the gifts. Doubt if gifts from strangers would be handed out, either.


I'm just guessin', but I think that's why he said to document everything.
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« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2007, 06:45:30 PM »
Isn't it against the law to physically stick your hand in somebody else's mail box?
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« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2007, 06:50:10 PM »
One thing you would to deal with is giving the kid some place to go. Most kids under 18 don't have a place they can go to after they escape.

If only there was some kind of underground railroad to rescue these kids.
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« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2007, 07:56:12 PM »
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Isn't it against the law to physically stick your hand in somebody else's mail box?


yes, but it's not against the law in most places to put something in the mailbox, if they have a little slot. e.g it could arguably be illegal to actually open the mailbox in a manner in which you could access their mail, as in if they had a mailbox that was just the standard box with one door. but, if you have a mailbox with a flap on top drop stuff in, but need a key to get the mail out, then you can stick a flyer in it. if they have a mail slot on their front door, you can legally stick it in, although if you dont walk away immediatly you could be tresspassing. you can also slip it under peoples door's, jam it into a crack, or just leave it on their porch.

it is standard practice everywhere i have lived in the u.s for resturants which deliver to slip menus under doors. a delivery boy comes to drop something off, and then spends the next hour or untill he gets called back through the whole complex slipping menus under every door. sometimes they are escorted out by security, but never arrested, and they come back and do it again next time they have a delivery, untill they feel the whole area is thouroughly saturated.
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« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2007, 08:04:20 PM »
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If only there was some kind of underground railroad to rescue these kids.


http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=23407


start a board just for kids potentially going, through which they can get in touch with their local fornits chapter. all messages by kids looking for help will be edited to be annon and must not include personal info, then once contact is established talk can resume though PM's. this way if the kid is escaping maybe if at least he can make his way to a computer, he can find help. also maybe get a hotline, easy to remember number like 1800-FORNITS (it actually works! 7 digits!), where if kids escape they call and leave a message, where they are and how to find them. the message can be relayed to the local chapter, which will help find the means to find him/her.
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« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2007, 08:46:14 PM »
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What about NATSAP's Penninsula Village?


I am not very familiar with that school, but I cant see having pepper spray at any school.
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« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2007, 08:47:45 PM »
These kids have no money or ID when they escape. There would have to be something to deal with that.
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« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2007, 09:04:05 PM »
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Isn't it against the law to physically stick your hand in somebody else's mail box?



I believe this is how it goes:  If the mail is opened by someone other than the addressee (without their permission) after it is mailed (posted) and before it is delivered then it is a federal offense. The mail box is a holding area awaiting the recipient to receive the mail (and finalize the transaction), so it would be a federal offense to access another persons mail box for the purpose of reading their mail.  But there are provisions made for minors… if a child is 1 year old I don’t think the parents need to wait 2 years or so to open a birthday card addressed to their son.  They are the guardians and are allowed to open the mail for them.
Here is a statute of some type which I have not read in total:  18 USC sec. 1702

So the question is when does this guardianship expire (age 18?) and can the parents hand this responsibility off to a school?  This wasnt clear to me either way when I read the requirements.

Then there is the question of delivery… is the mail considered delivered when the recipient touches the mail?  I think this is the definition…so technically a staff member could deliver the mail to you and then open it to inspect it for contraband or any content which could be harmful.
Aside from what the law states (Which I have not read fully) I personally do not think it is right for a bunch of people to sit in a room and open other peoples mail and read it, period, this should never be done anywhere even at home by the parents…this should be a crime whether it is a minor or not and they should go to jail if this is what is happening.  The mail should be opened in front of the recipient whether they are blind, mentally ill,  sick, incapacitated or a minor and inspected with everyone present.
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« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2007, 09:06:16 PM »
You know for being a useless programme shill the who has his moments. I fully intend to test this idea in the next couple months.
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« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2007, 09:12:08 PM »
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start a board just for kids potentially going, through which they can get in touch with their local fornits chapter. all messages by kids looking for help will be edited to be annon and must not include personal info, then once contact is established talk can resume though PM's. this way if the kid is escaping maybe if at least he can make his way to a computer, he can find help. also maybe get a hotline, easy to remember number like 1800-FORNITS (it actually works! 7 digits!), where if kids escape they call and leave a message, where they are and how to find them. the message can be relayed to the local chapter, which will help find the means to find him/her.


careful there, aiding and abetting...
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« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2007, 09:15:31 PM »
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These kids have no money or ID when they escape. There would have to be something to deal with that.



There is more to it...

The right attitude to survive is needed also.. is the kid willing to work a series of shit jobs to provide for him or herselves? To live within their means? To keep a very low profile?

The key to the entire problem is youth... without their willingness to participate in their own liberation it is pointless.
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