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« on: September 26, 2007, 10:47:42 PM »
just watched the movie. really good. a little incohesive, but overall it's great. more on that later, i just had an idea. we've been doing internet grassroots stuff for god knows how long and it's not working too well, we need to move into the physical domain, organize, and start doing grassroots. if you care you should help.

1. someone mentioned before about harrassing program parents, and setting up a database of adresses. that is a bad idea....but i have a better, much more legal idea. lets put together a database (sticky) of program heads, the ones running the show. the headmasters, principals, and c.e.o's. it's illegal to put down parents names - as they are private citizens. but headmasters, principals, and c.e.o's are arguably public figures. then, we put together flyers with information about their history. anyone in the vicinity can just download the flyer, make a thousand copies, and put them in all their neighbor's mailboxes, tape them to telephone poles, and give them to the local PD. when they move because their neighbors shun them, get their new adress and repeat. just make sure everything you put on the flyers is true and could not be considered slander - as in you must have either a printed source, or have a number of people willing to testify to the truth in court.

2. develop a martial art designed purely to resist restraint - how to get out of the belt loop, a four/five point restraint. etc. put training vids on youtube.

3. inform middle and high school kids that their freedom may be taken away at any moment. as mentioned in another thread, most kids simply dont belive programs as cruel as they are can exist in the united states, or elsewhere, and that parents actually send kids away. put together flyers, have your younger sibling pass it around their school, or stand outside school yourself passing it around.


anyone else have any ideas?
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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2007, 11:33:59 PM »
Figure out how to get parents to understand how incredibly dangerous these programs are. The risk of death from residential therapeutic facilities has to be higher than any other risk for this age group.
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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2007, 11:52:24 PM »
Not real sure about 1 & 2 - just not sure how 1 would help; and not sure if 2 is possible. Not saying it wouldn't help, or that it isn't possible - just that I am not clear on these things.

Number 3 I think would help and is possible - at least on some level.
I have often thought it would help if the kids themselves knew about these facilities, and how easily they could end up in one. It would help if they knew they have rights - up to and until they find themselves in one. For example - if they knew that the air lines wouldn't let them board if they stated they did not want to board the plane and did not wish to be in the company of the escort. Sure the escort might then put them in a car and drive them - but that would mean many more opportunities to escape or at least get a phone call or two out. It might actually help them moderate their wild side, if they knew what the consequences could be of ignoring parental pleas to settle down and stay out of trouble. For those who are dealing with an evil step parent type - maybe they would seek to live with a relative before being sent to a gulag, if they knew what the gulags were like.

I once found myself in a waiting room with a kid about 14 or so. He and I struck up a conversation. He wanted to know if I had any kids and somehow it got around to the gulag schools. By the time his mom came out he was curled up in his seat, sweater pulled up over half his face - eyes big as saucers - amazed and transfixed at what I was telling him. I am sure he never forgot it.  

I would like to see survivors speaking at the schools - telling their stories - explaining the industry - educating the kids and teachers.
Not sure how to get the schools to go for it - but thats the kind of thing I'd like to see happening.
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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2007, 11:59:45 PM »
I was thinking one night how neat it would be if survivors would give speeches at universities about the industry and their experience. I'm not sure how that could be accomplished but it would be a way to do something real that gets others involved.
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2007, 12:29:08 AM »
Great idea. They could start by speaking to the students/grads of "Outdoor Therapy" otherwise known as Wilderness Torture, at BYU.
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2007, 02:24:33 AM »
You should pass out your fliers at the roller skate park.
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2007, 02:25:23 AM »
1) anonymous sorta does the harassing already... setting up a D.B. (a wiki?) about these people would be VERY doable.

2) Brazilian Jiujitsu. But, well, stop watching kung fu movies - the point is to avoid being touched in the first place (evasion) and being out of a program in the first place. Part of being able to fight is being conditioned... would you say to have everyone train themselves 24/7 just in case they get sent to a program?

3) If we could notify all the kids in the USA of these places we could tell the whole USA of these places and HOPEFULLY they would help us stop it. So, awareness is a good idea regardless...
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CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2007, 02:33:12 AM »
I suspect someone might be steering you in the wrong direction. Trying to get you to waste your time. Who might want to do that?
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2007, 02:43:18 AM »
Quote from: ""BuzzKill""
It might actually help them moderate their wild side, if they knew what the consequences could be of ignoring parental pleas to settle down and stay out of trouble.


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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2007, 06:11:29 AM »
Coolio! I've only gotten this far and I have to drop a comment.

Quote from: ""Guest""
1. someone mentioned before about harrassing program parents, and setting up a database of adresses. that is a bad idea....but i have a better, much more legal idea. lets put together a database (sticky) of program heads, the ones running the show. the headmasters, principals, and c.e.o's. it's illegal to put down parents names - as they are private citizens. but headmasters, principals, and c.e.o's are arguably public figures. then, we put together flyers with information about their history. anyone in the vicinity can just download the flyer, make a thousand copies, and put them in all their neighbor's mailboxes, tape them to telephone poles, and give them to the local PD. when they move because their neighbors shun them, get their new adress and repeat. just make sure everything you put on the flyers is true and could not be considered slander - as in you must have either a printed source, or have a number of people willing to testify to the truth in court.


That's one idea. There are so, so many other things that people could do with that database! Yah just never know. We can do this fairly easily if we're smart about it. We'll want to pick the best software for easy content entry and access  (Wiki?) and get as much volunteer involvement as possible for data entry. I can add that to the Fornits Care & Feeding page and throw an ad into the banner rotation.

But first, has anybody started one already? Really, all it takes is involvement and we could have a kick ass industry matrix.

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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2007, 06:24:07 AM »
Quote from: ""BuzzKill""
I would like to see survivors speaking at the schools - telling their stories - explaining the industry - educating the kids and teachers.
Not sure how to get the schools to go for it - but thats the kind of thing I'd like to see happening.


Take a lesson from Rich Bradbury and Psy; encourage public service and school projects themed on "Defense against the dark arts". (Damn you, TSW, for blowing out that parody before I had a chance to read it! Damn you to hell!) There already exist martial arts that focus on escape. Maybe somebody familiar with martial arts could suggest a couple of the best disciplines and list that as some good advice.

While where here, I know there are a few other very good threads along these lines. Can anybody snoop some of the best ones out for inclusion in any such projects?
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2007, 06:27:08 AM »
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I was thinking one night how neat it would be if survivors would give speeches at universities about the industry and their experience. I'm not sure how that could be accomplished but it would be a way to do something real that gets others involved.


Now you're talking speakers' bureau. Doable. Infinitely doable, just will take some time, effort and sustained interest to get the ball rolling.
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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2007, 06:37:13 AM »
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I suspect someone might be steering you in the wrong direction. Trying to get you to waste your time. Who might want to do that?


Paranoia will destroy ya. Are we sheep? Are we so easily led? Or do ya think maybe we can think for ourselves and direct our actions according to our own free will and good sense?
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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2007, 06:58:59 AM »
Sounds like a 11 year old came up with these ideas.
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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2007, 07:28:25 AM »
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Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
I was thinking one night how neat it would be if survivors would give speeches at universities about the industry and their experience. I'm not sure how that could be accomplished but it would be a way to do something real that gets others involved.

Now you're talking speakers' bureau. Doable. Infinitely doable, just will take some time, effort and sustained interest to get the ball rolling.


Haven't Straight survivors been out for decades now? How much time exactly does this take? 50 years?
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