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« on: September 21, 2007, 07:20:09 PM »
Teen's turnaround gives family a cause

By Bill Sanders
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 09/20/07

John Brocard is sitting in his den, reading his Bible and waiting for the kidnappers.

It's 2:45 a.m. on a school night. He left the garage door open and the downstairs lights on, just as he agreed he would.

His wife and three kids are tucked in their beds.

By time the kidnappers walk in, John is resigned to what is about to happen.

He's crying as he approaches the men who will take his 16-year-old son. Yes, he tells them. He'll keep his wife, Fair Brocard, out of the way.

With the two kidnappers following, John walks upstairs, opens Bubba's bedroom door and flips the light switch.

"These men are here to take you," John tells his son. "Go with them."

One of the kidnappers tells Bubba that he's a former Golden Gloves boxing champion and will restrain him if needed.

Bubba, bleary-eyed, knows fighting would be fruitless. So he surrenders, both physically and emotionally.

He throws on a pair of pants and a shirt. No time for toiletries or a change of clothes.

The two men get Bubba into their car and drive to the airport, where they fly him 1,000 miles from home.

By the time Bubba goes to sleep again, he's in Loa, Utah, in a place where, at once, the earth's natural beauty beckons and its rugged terrain forewarns.

It's been almost 10 years since the scene played out in the Brocards' home in east Cobb County.

That night, May 12, 1998, changed forever not only Bubba and his parents, but eventually, the lives of hundreds of other families whom the Brocards have counseled because of what they went through with Bubba. Even so, it's still a hard story for them to recount.

Imagine being so desperate to save your teenager that you arrange a middle-of-the-night kidnapping at your home.

Bubba had become a menace. He punched holes in walls during outbursts of rage. He got drunk and belligerent one day, high and aloof the next.

"He was totally out of control," John Brocard said. "He was using marijuana, was drinking alcohol, lying, stealing and manipulating us. He would verbally abuse me and cuss at me in front of my wife and challenge me to fight.

"His constant outbursts of anger and rage scared his older sister and younger brother to the point they were afraid to be around him. His mood affected our whole household and our marriage."

The ensuing weeks weren't easy. Bubba was at a program called the Aspen Achievement Academy. He was angry at first. Ultimately, he accepted it.

Bubba spent every day hiking and camping, every night sleeping under the stars. Not once during those eight weeks was he able to bathe in a real shower or put on deodorant. For the first couple of weeks, he talked with no one back home. He was constantly counseled about how to communicate without fighting.

"The first few days, I was in shock," Bubba Brocard, now 25, recalled recently.

"When my thoughts came to me, I realized I was there for a reason. It was kind of a relief for me. Dad saw it in my eyes as I was leaving, but I couldn't sense that then. But getting away from everything, all the kids I was running around with, and taking a step back to look what I was doing is what I needed."

After eight weeks, Bubba came home. The gamble, John Brocard found, had paid off.

'We were broken'

Bubba Brocard went on to graduate from Wheeler High School, then Kennesaw State University and is now a salesman with a company that sells and rents uniforms. But the Brocards' risk, it turned out, didn't just change Bubba. It had changed his parents.

John and Fair Brocard soon learned they couldn't go on as if nothing had happened. Gradually, John realized work as a corporate lawyer was unfulfilling. Fair's job in the Johnson Ferry Baptist Church children's ministry no longer seemed as important as helping parents in need.

It seemed everywhere they looked, the Brocards saw families being ripped apart. Every time, it opened a painful sore.

They decided to embrace the hurt.

John Brocard would represent troubled juveniles; Fair would counsel their parents and invite them to participate in a Bible-based support group. It started with getting involved in the lives of friends they knew that were going through hard times with their children. In time, it became the nonprofit organization Prodigal Child Ministries.

"We've seen our child hit bottom," John Brocard said recently. "We're about putting lives back together now. We want to reach out to help kids in crisis, but to also teach the parents that it's not always their fault. They can be freed from that. They need to be freed from that.

"We were broken people. None of this was because we were strong. It was God's grace seeing us through it."

From hostage to escort

To many families, the Brocards have been a godsend. Ask Gary and Ella Givens.

Their story was similar enough to the Brocards, a stable family with a child who was brought up to know the difference between right and wrong, yet somehow chose wrong.

Lindsey Givens became a cocaine addict shortly after graduating from Georgia Tech, her parents said.

The Givenses, who live in Acworth, didn't know the Brocards. In a matter of days, they learned of them, got to know them, then trusted their lives to what they had to say.

"We knew very little about programs, where to go, what to do, etc., but a friend who had a daughter with similar issues told us about the Brocards and gave us their number," Gary Givens said recently. "This was on a Thursday morning. Ella [Givens] immediately contacted them and asked a hundred questions. They were so helpful and patient, providing much guidance, concern and love even though we had never met them.

"They recommended a place in Utah, gave us contacts and numbers and by the grace of God, on Saturday morning, Lindsey and I were on a flight and the path to recovery."

Lindsey wasn't taken against her will. Most who go there aren't. But once there, her experience was very similar to Bubba's, which was as hard on Mom and Dad as it was on Lindsey.

"The next several months were some of the hardest we ever had to endure in our lives. So many things happening, very little contact with Lindsey, by design. During that time, John and Fair were always there to answer our questions, comforting us and giving us hope and giving us sound advice to cope with this period. We set up a group of prayer warriors who we would update continually and ask for their prayers, and the Brocards were always there when we needed them."

Fair Brocard did some quick math —- 20 families a year, times 8 years —- for the number they've had in their groups.

"But there's many more that we've not had in a group, but counseled and given out information on various camps to," she said.

Like Bubba, Lindsey has come out the other side, clean, sober and stronger than ever.

A few years ago, before Bubba Brocard went into sales, he worked for the Center for Safe Youth, a program similar to the Utah one he attended. He was an "escort."

Escort sounds so much friendlier than kidnapper. But kidnapping is the term John and Fair Brocard still use.

Bubba Brocard admits it's more like a kidnapping than a guided tour.

"It was a reward and a nightmare at same time to be working with them," Bubba said. "I knew how I felt when I was escorted, and it wasn't good. I felt a lot of kids that I transported felt same way. They'd say: 'I can't believe you do this as a job.' They'd lash out at me pretty good. But I was there because I believed in the program and knew it could help these kids, and that's what I'd tell them."

Bubba Brocard speaks to some of the adults and kids that his parents work with and has decided that sharing his story is more beneficial than hiding it.

What he does, what his parents do, it all seems natural to Bubba now.

"If you'd have asked me 10 years ago, could I see myself sharing this story, or being an escort, or seeing my parents change career course, I never would have guessed it."
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2007, 08:36:59 PM »
Puff piece, and utter bullshit. The reporter was probably spoonfed this shit. Who wants to bet on their actual existence?

So much for Aspen not accepting escorts. (But maybe they really don't- again, could easily be fiction passed off as news NYT style)
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2007, 08:39:37 PM »
Or this article is made up AND Aspen encourages escorts.
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2007, 10:08:10 PM »
funny, every escort gives a kid a story about how powerfull they are and how futile fighting back would be.

funny thing is, the same guy picked me up, and my freind up, 3 months apart. He told me that he was an ex-cop and wrestling champion, and he told my freind he was an ex-navy seal and a boxing champ. same person, two different stories. i think they are meant more to intimidate than anything else. although i didnt put up a fight, my freind did. he [was] a small kid, and he managed to get off two square punches to the face and a kick to the balls in before he managed to run down 15 flights of stairs and one block, after which a cop car driving by picked him up - he was running like a madman in his socks and underwear in the middle of a busy area of a major city. the cops were also very suspicious of the fact that two big guys were chasing a white kid in his underwear through the middle of nyc, so he managed to delay his export for a few days, he used the situation to his advantage and fed the cops a story about how his dad abuses him and hired these big guys to kidnap him (all true) but once the cops realized what was really going on they dropped the investigation and let him get exported.
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2007, 09:10:48 AM »
Very sad to read how people like the Brocards and Givens get brainwashed.  Ten years is not a whole lot of time to wake up when you've drunk the Kool-Aid deeply.  Yet, I'm sure that it seems that way to the unfamiliar reader, thereby lending more credibility to the Brocards' et al POV...

Yeah, I think this is a puff piece, but I also do find it believable.  Not overtly mentioned, but obvious if you read between the lines, is just how deeply conservative this family is.  The "wild and rebellious ways" of some teenage youth is a HUGE threat to them, far more than any trampling of civil and moral liberties.  Classic case of judging a book by its cover, rather than by its contents.

I guess being a corporate lawyer, Dad could easily afford Aspen.  The trade-off in change of jobs?  ...well, 160 families x #$/family is... no chump change.

This is how this business gets its prime subscribers and ideologues.  First by capitalizing on ordinary people's fears and weaknesses, and then by making acquiescence to the program mentality profitable for them as a reward.
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2007, 09:44:25 AM »
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Puff piece, and utter bullshit. The reporter was probably spoonfed this shit. Who wants to bet on their actual existence?


just for grins, take this response and paste it after someone tells their story of how they were abused or denied food, locked in a room for hours etc. at one of these boarding schools and see how everyone here responds.......  kind of puts things in perspective a little doesnt it?

This is the everyday bias that people dont see or realize themselves that it is going on here on fornits.
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lets put a different angle on this
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2007, 10:00:32 AM »
I personally dont condone the escort thing. However, lets say this was a real family. What if this kid really was terrorizing his siblings and being verbally abusive to his parents? What if he was not abiding by ANY rule set down. What if he was a coke addict or doing meth every day?  It doesnt say if they tried counseling or a drug program in Atlanta already or a detox in Georgia. If you were this parent, what would YOU do if you did try everything at home and in your hometown? What would you do next? Other than wilderness programs, boarding schools, or the army, what other choices are out there? Im not being sarcastic, Id really like to know what the other options are.
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2007, 10:50:00 AM »
Oh, pahleez...
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Bubba had become a menace. He punched holes in walls during outbursts of rage. He got drunk and belligerent one day, high and aloof the next.

"He was totally out of control," John Brocard said. "He was using marijuana, was drinking alcohol, lying, stealing and manipulating us. He would verbally abuse me and cuss at me in front of my wife and challenge me to fight.

"His constant outbursts of anger and rage scared his older sister and younger brother to the point they were afraid to be around him. His mood affected our whole household and our marriage."


:rofl:
Pardon my laughter, but this is what my neighbor's six-year old was doing, sans the contributing factors of - GASP! - marijuana and alcohol.  He's now 7, and basically just doing a subset of the above now.  Come his teenage years, I have no doubt these behaviors will reemerge, and he will grow out of them as well, again...

Not so much fun for the families during the potent time in question, but... such is life.  It goes on, with or without the escorts and thought coercion, and generally does so much better without than with.  Certainly the residual consequences are far less in the "without" case than in the "with" case.

When you reread the above section from the story, it really does seem that John Brocard had some "alpha male" issues with his son, rather than any serious "out of control teenager" issues...
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Re: lets put a different angle on this
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2007, 11:13:33 AM »
Quote from: ""SH""
I personally dont condone the escort thing. However, lets say this was a real family. What if this kid really was terrorizing his siblings and being verbally abusive to his parents? What if he was not abiding by ANY rule set down. What if he was a coke addict or doing meth every day?  It doesnt say if they tried counseling or a drug program in Atlanta already or a detox in Georgia. If you were this parent, what would YOU do if you did try everything at home and in your hometown? What would you do next? Other than wilderness programs, boarding schools, or the army, what other choices are out there? Im not being sarcastic, Id really like to know what the other options are.


Good point, Not a whole lot that a family can do (or turn to for help) at this point before they implode, especially if they have exhausted the local service option.....this goes beyond the drinking, smoking, "let them grow out of it stage".  This is a very small percentage of the population and that is what the TBS are designed for (not for every kid acting out or being teenagers)... there are very few choices, many opt to strong arm their kids into the armed services, but I would disuade anyone from taking this option as an attempt to help a child overcome their difficulties or for children at risk.
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2007, 11:25:54 AM »
You still can't force treatment on someone.  It doesn't work in the way intended and very often causes far more damage than doing nothing.  I know this is a difficult concept to hear, but its true.  If a child has gotten to that point, to where you are truly afraid for the safety of your other children then,

1.  You fail for letting things get to that point.  Yes I speak from experience.  Most of the problems that I encountered with my kids began with me.  Began with my reactions or lack of.  Kids don't just wake up one day violent for no reason.

2.  Forcing a kid like that to submit to the kind of mindrape that goes on in programs almost guarantees he'll be more violent and more of a problem to society when he gets out 'cuz he's gonna be one pissed of asshole now.


Some kids are going to become Dr.s and lawyers.  Some will work at McDonald's.  Some will be artists.  Some will be bums.  Some will be drones.  Sending them off to have someone else raise them is never a good idea.  Sending them off to a place that tells you their going to produce miraculous changes, that they have the answer, that they know better than you do how to help or raise your kid (got interrupted mid-thought, edited to add )is crazy.  They don't.   Only the do and with your guidance, not force, they'll end up making it through.  Most kids do.   They may not end up like what the parents had hoped for them, but that's one of the main problems.  Parents are far more interested in what they want for the kids instead of what the kids want for themselves.
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2007, 01:17:41 PM »
Quote from: ""TheWho""
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Puff piece, and utter bullshit. The reporter was probably spoonfed this shit. Who wants to bet on their actual existence?

just for grins, take this response and paste it after someone tells their story of how they were abused or denied food, locked in a room for hours etc. at one of these boarding schools and see how everyone here responds.......  kind of puts things in perspective a little doesnt it?

This is the everyday bias that people dont see or realize themselves that it is going on here on fornits.


Shut up who....

We don't give a damn about defending these puff ads because the sell child abuse. We are against child abuse who, remember  ::bangin::
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2007, 01:38:50 PM »
some people just shouldnt have kids in the first place. unfourtunately, the people who do have kids, especially the ones who have them early in life, are the ones who deserve to have kids the least. if you cant take care of a kid, if you cant deal with the fact that he may be a little nutty, or if you cant deal with them yourselves regardless of how bad the problem...meth or no meth, you do not deserve to be a parent. you shouldnt have had kids in the first place.

the kids who are acting out violently are not doing that just cuz they are "screwed up", they are doing it out of reaction to something that was done to them, usually subconcious. often it's even a learned behavior, something they learned from their parents.

and dont give me that shit about bad school enviornment or a shitty home town with a drug problem. i know plenty of people who grew up and made it out of some of the most screwed up, backwards towns full of methheads. they are all very different people, as said before, some became artists, some bussinessmen, some just drones. but they all had one common factor, never absent among them - they had a caring, supporting family, and a faily peacefull and pleasant home life. (would like to also note that many of these kids smoke weed and drink, yet lead very fullfilling lives) on the other hand, i've seen some very intiligent kids fall prey to social irresponsibility (drug misuse, violence). they had everything ahead of them, and they all had a common factor too: they all had shitty family lives. among those kids the parents were either alchoholics, hard drug addicts, workoholics, moneyholics, abusive, disjointed, unloving, corrupt, unfaithfull, mentally disturbed, etc. and their parent's issues always reflected unto their kids in some way.

take for example my freind that i will refer to as B. she was a surprisingly intelligent kid. she had good grades throughout her life, and plenty of freinds. but she had issues. the town she was from was listed was in the county listed by the fbi as one of the worst oxycontin abusing counties in the nation. her mom had her at 17 to an unknown father, worse still, her mother was schizophrenic and heavily medicated. the family was on wellfare, food stamps paid for almost 90% of their food, and she got a check for $170 from the govt every month (B, not her mom). her mom also had 3 ex-husbands, with a son from one of them. the son was schizophrenic too, with severe metal retardation. the girl was one of the nicest people i have ever met, she had great grades, treated everyone well, was popular, involved, everything you could possibly want, and had plenty of opprotunity to move up - she went to the top public school in her state. but her family ended up dragging her down, eventually she turned to oxycontin to numb herself from her current situation. she's currently working at the local wall-mart and still shooting oxies.

Her next door neighbor, i'll call him D, was also fairly poor, but came from a loving family. his grades were O.K. he wasnt too involved, smoked far too much weed, and did some other stuff on occasion. he started before B with drug use, and they were the same age. he was also slightly nutty, and had a history of getting in fights once in a while. but his family loved him and supported him in whatever path he chose. his parents were hardcore christian, and when he said one day he wanted to be budhist they supported him, also when he grew out of that and became a jewish convert. he smoked weed, his parents knew, and they kept a blind eye. they also supported him when he came out of the closet. his parents wernt monetarily well off either - his dad was unemployed and his mom was assistant manager at the local chili's, neither will a college education. but his parents loved him regardless of what he did, and kept a very very peacefull home. this kid went on to graduate from the local state college, and became a fairly succesfull musician.

point is....it's all about how the parents raise the kid. not what the kid chooses to do.
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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2007, 04:40:41 PM »
"We set up a group of prayer warriors..."

Well praise be to Jeezus and pass the ammunition!

No wonder some of these kids go a little nuts.
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2007, 05:38:08 AM »
In case anyone is interested, here is the LINK to the original story in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.  Has some pictures.

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You can spend $10 to get financial data on the organization the Brocard's started, if you want:

PRODIGAL CHILD MINISTRIES INC
http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organizat ... ?tn=455800

PRODIGAL CHILD MINISTRIES INC
(c/o JOHN P BROCARD)   721 DENMEAD ML SE
MARIETTA, GA 30067-5176    Educational Organization
( Alcohol, Drug Abuse, Prevention & Treatment)   *   *   *   10/2005


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John Brocard has a professional listing in ATTORNEY CIVIL MEDIATORS | GWINNETT COUNTY
http://www.tax.co.gwinnett.ga.us/depart ... old714.pdf

This appears to be a listing of attorneys working with Georgia's court-connected ADR programs (Alternative Dispute Resolution).  See HERE for a general info link.

Name:  John P. Brocard, Esq. | Telephone: 770-422-2300
Areas of Experience: Commercial, Contracts, Personal Injury, Products Liability, Juvenile, Church Disputes
ADR Experience:
Since 1980 Mr. Brocard has acted as Plaintiff's counsel in numerous mediations and binding arbitrations; he has also mediated on a pro bono basis, numerous disputes between church members, youth sport organizations and families with prodigal children. Registered as a neutral with the Georgia Office of Dispute Resolution in October 1999.
Professional Experience: Mr. Brocard is experienced in handling general litigation with an emphasis in the area of plaintiff's personal injury, auto collisions, commercial contracts, general civil litigation, juvenile and church disputes.
2000 - Present: Brocard & Brocard, PA; Marietta, GA
1997 - 2000: U.S. Technologies Inc, General Counsel & Executive Vice President; Marietta, GA
1980 - 1997: Brocard & Brocard, PA; Marietta, GA
Education: Potomac School of Law, JD, 1978; Furman University, BA, 1975
ADR Fees: Contact Miles Rice for fee information, 678-320-9118

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An additional professional listing:

John P. Brocard
Firm:    Law Offices of James S.S. Howell
Address:
    5252 Roswell Road
    Suite 100
    Atlanta, GA 30342-1969
    Map & Directions
Phone:  (770) 955-9202
Fax:  (770) 984-0449
    ----------I followed the link to S.S. Howell----------
Law Offices of James S.S. Howell
Address:
    5252 Roswell Road
    Suite 100
    Atlanta, GA 30342-1969
    Map & Directions
Phone:  (770) 955-9202
Fax:  (770) 984-0449
Attorneys:  Brocard, John P., Sole Practitioner
West Practice Categories:  Business & Commercial Law
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2007, 06:49:43 AM »
This article has "caught the interest" of ParentingTeensBlog... which appears to be affiliated with a so called forum called ParentingTalk.com.  Well, the forum opened shop in April 2007 and they have 3 admin type posts re. rules from Gayle and 1 post from a so-called parent asking about RTCs... basically, four posts total and some recent spams that haven't been cleared yet.  170 members, most of whom have private websites attached like cheapPharms4U and Oporno, etc.

Note the last paragraph below. "Gayle" writes in the blog:

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Turnaround of Troubled Teen



One of the front page stories in today's Atlanta Journal-Constitution is very relevant to this blog. It tells the story of what one family went through to get their teenage son into an intervention program, and how this program changed the entire family.

At age 16, Bubba Brocard, of Cobb County, Georgia, had become a menace. He punched holes in walls during outbursts of rage. He got drunk and belligerent one day, high and aloof the next.
    "He was totally out of control," John Brocard said. "He was using marijuana, was drinking alcohol, lying, stealing and manipulating us. He would verbally abuse me and cuss at me in front of my wife and challenge me to fight.

    "His constant outbursts of anger and rage scared his older sister and younger brother to the point they were afraid to be around him. His mood affected our whole household and our marriage."
Bubba's parents, John and Fair Brocard, were so desperate to save him, and their family, that they arranged for Bubba to be kidnapped in the middle of the night at their home, and taken to an intervention program. The program is named in the article, so if you're interested in it, please go to the link above. The purpose of this post isn't to support or point out any one program, but to have you read the story of the Brocards.

It's a remarkable story that led to the complete turnaround-not only of the Brocard's son, who is now 25 years old, graduated from high school and college, and has a good job-but of his parents, who now run their own non-profit organization to help other families with troubled teens.

Read the article. You'll get a lift, as well as, possibly, some inspiration, if you're in a situation like the Brocards'. If any of you readers have serious problems with teens, please let me know about it. I can point you in the direction of some specific programs, if you'd like.

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