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Anne Bonney:
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Oh come on now! No one wants to see that kind of shit. PM it to him.
Jeeeezus.
:roll: ::puke::
TheWho:
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thanks alot Anne !!
TheWho:
Anne Bonney wrote:
--- Quote --- THAT is coercion.
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Well, then everything fits that definition from putting your crayons away to going to school, to joining the field hockey team. If I waited for my kids to ask to go to school, none of them would ever get an education. You’re a parent, you know this, coercion is needed a nudge is needed…immersion into a new environment is needed sometimes especially when our children are in trouble and need help.
--- Quote --- Didn't you say there was a time period that she wouldn't speak to you after getting out? I can't swear to it, but I thought you posted about that.
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No, when she got back she went back to her old friends for a bit and drank and smoked pot but she tired of the partying after a couple of weeks. I have to admit, it put a scare into me, right after she got home. But she had this amazing ability to communicate which she learned and we would sit down every night and check in with each other which was something we never had before (at least not in her teen years). I gave her the space she needed and she tired of the intense life style and got back into her studies, I mean I am sure she still smokes pot once in awhile but she is focused on herself and things she wants which is a big change from pre ASR. We communicated this back to ASR and they have developed a better program for when the children are transitioning back home.
--- Quote --- Then YOU are the one who hasn't been reading. Its not really different at all. Especially given the fact that they use the therapeutic community approach that comes from Synanon.
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You can trace any one thing or event back to many beginnings and origins, find similarities etc. , but ASR has a more clinical evidence based approach now reading what many kids here on fornits experienced vs. what ASR offers is like night and day.
--- Quote --- Well, they like to say that and some may actually believe that but its not really true. You think you have an understanding because you have a child who went through, but you don't. My parents have no clue what really went on behind closed doors. For years they deluded themselves into thinking that they did, that it was what they 'had to do', that it really did 'save my life'. They found out differently once they removed the 'rose colored glasses'.
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You are trying to take your experience and place it on everyone else. Not everyone is like your dad or yourself. Some people do have an understanding and communicate well. No, I haven’t been thru what you have been thru and I don’t pretend to, but you haven’t been thru what my daughter and I have been thru, nor communicate on the same level. I don’t just think or believe…I know what happened at ASR and a lot of the stories here on fornits about ASR or true to a certain extent, although a bit embellished, there are similarities to what she experienced, but she grew from them where others did not. I never said these school are for everyone and agree that there should be a better screening process to ensure a higher percentage of children benefit from going there.
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---Well, then everything fits that definition from putting your crayons away to going to school, to joining the field hockey team. If I waited for my kids to ask to go to school, none of them would ever get an education. You’re a parent, you know this, coercion is needed a nudge is needed…immersion into a new environment is needed sometimes especially when our children are in trouble and need help.
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No. Forced participation in something that screws around with the mind and the psyche and the soul is very different from extra curricular activities in a normal school setting. Don't EVEN compare the two.
--- Quote --- Didn't you say there was a time period that she wouldn't speak to you after getting out? I can't swear to it, but I thought you posted about that.
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--- Quote ---No, when she got back she went back to her old friends for a bit and drank and smoked pot but she tired of the partying after a couple of weeks. I have to admit, it put a scare into me, right after she got home. But she had this amazing ability to communicate which she learned and we would sit down every night and check in with each other which was something we never had before (at least not in her teen years). I gave her the space she needed and she tired of the intense life style and got back into her studies, I mean I am sure she still smokes pot once in awhile but she is focused on herself and things she wants which is a big change from pre ASR. We communicated this back to ASR and they have developed a better program for when the children are transitioning back home.
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Too bad you couldn't have done that before you shipped her off to strangers to fix.
--- Quote ---You can trace any one thing or event back to many beginnings and origins, find similarities etc. , but ASR has a more clinical evidence based approach now reading what many kids here on fornits experienced vs. what ASR offers is like night and day.
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AGAIN. When the FUNDAMENTALS, the BASICS of the program are its fucked from the start. There is no fixing it, tweeking it, changing it, remodeling it. Its fucked at its core.
--- Quote --- You are trying to take your experience and place it on everyone else. Not everyone is like your dad or yourself. Some people do have an understanding and communicate well. No, I haven’t been thru what you have been thru and I don’t pretend to, but you haven’t been thru what my daughter and I have been thru, nor communicate on the same level. I don’t just think or believe…I know what happened at ASR and a lot of the stories here on fornits about ASR or true to a certain extent, although a bit embellished, there are similarities to what she experienced, but she grew from them where others did not. I never said these school are for everyone and agree that there should be a better screening process to ensure a higher percentage of children benefit from going there.
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You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors.
TheWho:
--- Quote --- No. Forced participation in something that screws around with the mind and the psyche and the soul is very different from extra curricular activities in a normal school setting. Don't EVEN compare the two.
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Its called "Least restrictive environment", she benefited and no one was screwing around with her psyche without her consent.
--- Quote --- Too bad you couldn't have done that before you shipped her off to strangers to fix.
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Yes it is, wish we could have. We would have saved a year and a half of being away from each other.
--- Quote --- AGAIN. When the FUNDAMENTALS, the BASICS of the program are the same and directly derived from and traced to Straight/Synanon etc. its fucked from the start. There is no fixing it, tweeking it, changing it, remodeling it. Its fucked at its core.
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Seems like no one is going to change your mind on that one. ASR isn’t derived from that, this is where you get hung up and try to tie everything back to straight. They are done and buried, there are no marches against ASR or riots…it’s a boarding school that helps teens who are struggling, the kids who graduate go on with their lives, a few look back and see it as a bump in the road, a time where they needed a little help to get back on track. No voodoo or brain washing, straight jackets or restraints…it doesn’t happen there…it is a therapeutic environment.
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Exactly my point, you have never been to ASR. The doors are open, a parent can take a ride over and talk to the kids or staff, walk around campus (unescorted sometimes) , you have never been. Dont judge.
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