Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
More Change at Excel
Anonymous:
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you fuckin program shill. try all you like but you can't turn a pile of shit into a rose. which program did the "cuff and vasoline" dude run at excell? how long was he employed there?
cuffs and vasoline aren't coercive? did they engage the family in deciding on this course of "therapy"? just how trans-parent is excel?
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I think you misread what I wrote. I do not advocate this type of procedure, personally.
Here is what I stated:
I have never been a big fan of those scare tactics. Our local police advocate having the kids arrested and thrown in jail for a day to teach the kids a lesson (minus the Vaseline, I am sure). They push this on parents and high schools but I think we will start to see this stop. The sheriff had no choice but to fire his deputy for doing this regardless of what state they are in or school he was associated with.
The sheriff’s deputy was the one who took the kid into the jail……. But we can point fingers all night… regardless of whether or not he was on duty, he was a law enforcement officer and he needs to take responsibility. I don’t think we know if the parents were aware of this, my guess is that they probably were if it was a routine procedure. If the deputy decided to take it upon himself to try something different than that is a different story. I do know that police across the country do this to scare teens, this is not unique to any one type of school. It is unfortunate that the deputy allowed the inmates to take control the way they did.
What we need to recognize, also, is that the school took this as a very serious event and took immediate action to eliminate from this happening again.
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idiot. distracting from the facts as usual.
The former deputy was working a second job at a private school in Conroe when the Montgomery County District Attorney said the deputy tried to scare the boy into better behavior.
KPRC learned that Morast has a program at Conroe's Excel Academy, where he works with students with discipline problems.
what "program"? how long was he employed there?
According to the district attorney's office, an official with the boy's private boarding school was also there.
clearly this is common at excel and the deputy wasn't working alone.
that pathetic press release from vardell/excel was nothing more than damage control for this latest "exposure" to what kind of "therapy" these programs employ. dollars to donuts, it's business as usual.
TheWho:
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idiot. distracting from the facts as usual.
The former deputy was working a second job at a private school in Conroe when the Montgomery County District Attorney said the deputy tried to scare the boy into better behavior.
KPRC learned that Morast has a program at Conroe's Excel Academy, where he works with students with discipline problems.
what "program"? how long was he employed there?
According to the district attorney's office, an official with the boy's private boarding school was also there.
clearly this is common at excel and the deputy wasn't working alone.
that pathetic press release from vardell/excel was nothing more than damage control for this latest "exposure" to what kind of "therapy" these programs employ. dollars to donuts, it's business as usual.
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I don’t think it was a distraction at all. A staff member should always accompany any student who leaves the school property, this is standard procedure in any school system. If a child is taken from a local public or private school they would need to be escorted by a member of the school or a parent.
As far as whether or not the deputy worked for the school part time I don’t think this is an issue the deputy should never have turned the child over to the inmates or relinquished control to them.
The parents are well aware that this procedure is used (see wiki’s feedback). If a parent does not approve of this type of discipline then they can simple choose another school with a different model, prior to their Childs admittance.
Out of one side of your mouth you ask for transparency/ disclosure and for the schools to change their ways and out of the other you criticize them if they do react to problems and make their process known and open to the public. For future reference if you want to refer to others as idiots you should be careful how you act yourself.
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Anonymous:
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idiot. distracting from the facts as usual.
The former deputy was working a second job at a private school in Conroe when the Montgomery County District Attorney said the deputy tried to scare the boy into better behavior.
KPRC learned that Morast has a program at Conroe's Excel Academy, where he works with students with discipline problems.
what "program"? how long was he employed there?
According to the district attorney's office, an official with the boy's private boarding school was also there.
clearly this is common at excel and the deputy wasn't working alone.
that pathetic press release from vardell/excel was nothing more than damage control for this latest "exposure" to what kind of "therapy" these programs employ. dollars to donuts, it's business as usual.
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I don’t think it was a distraction at all. A staff member should always accompany any student who leaves the school property, this is standard procedure in any school system. If a child is taken from a local public or private school they would need to be escorted by a member of the school or a parent.
As far as whether or not the deputy worked for the school part time I don’t think this is an issue the deputy should never have turned the child over to the inmates or relinquished control to them.
The parents are well aware that this procedure is used (see wiki’s feedback). If a parent does not approve of this type of discipline then they can simple choose another school with a different model, prior to their Childs admittance.
Out of one side of your mouth you ask for transparency/ disclosure and for the schools to change their ways and out of the other you criticize them if they do react to problems and make their process known and open to the public. For future reference if you want to refer to others as idiots you should be careful how you act yourself.
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parents are told that part of their kid's "therapy" is to be ordered to strip and have vasoline smeared on their ass? Hee...Hee
come on. you know so much about aspen, how long was morast employed there and what program did he run? cough up the facts mr fact dude.
damn straight a staff was there, permitting the whole sadistic act to happen. since morast was staff, he didn't technically need another staff with him.
are you keeping tabs on all these abusive exposures that aspen can't keep out of the media? do you share them with potential customers?
TheWho:
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parents are told that part of their kid's "therapy" is to be ordered to strip and have vasoline smeared on their ass? Hee...Hee
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Exactly!!.. good point.... Sounds ridiculous when it is phased that way doesn’t it? I couldn’t imagine any parent that would approve of that. So obviously the deputy took this upon himself to step outside of the procedure of the school and of his duties as a deputy within his community. If this wasn’t the case then the sheriff would be investigating the school for its practices instead of firing his own deputy.
--- Quote ---come on. you know so much about aspen, how long was morast employed there and what program did he run? cough up the facts mr fact dude.
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I don’t have information of Excel Academy employees, but it would be nice to know how long they employed this guy for, I agree.
--- Quote ---damn straight a staff was there, permitting the whole sadistic act to happen. since morast was staff, he didn't technically need another staff with him.
are you keeping tabs on all these abusive exposures that aspen can't keep out of the media? do you share them with potential customers?
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Well first of all I don’t have customers associated with the industry and secondly a business would be nuts to bring up the problems they are having with their staff to every parent or person that comes along. The information is made public but when it comes to talking to new parents they want to put their best foot forward like anyone else.
How many car dealerships have pictures of Automobile accidents up on the walls? How many waiting rooms in hospitals have photos of people dying or pictures of the latest fatalities? You seem to be very naive about the world around you.
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Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "TheWho" ---So obviously the deputy took this upon himself to step outside of the procedure of the school and of his duties as a deputy within his community. If this wasn’t the case then the sheriff would be investigating the school for its practices instead of firing his own deputy.
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no you moronic dope. the deputy didn't take it upon himself. another staff was present and it was business as usual. was the other staff fired as well for his part in the sadistic act?
--- Quote ---Well first of all I don’t have customers associated with the industry and secondly a business would be nuts to bring up the problems they are having with their staff to every parent or person that comes along. The information is made public but when it comes to talking to new parents they want to put their best foot forward like anyone else.
How many car dealerships have pictures of Automobile accidents up on the walls? How many waiting rooms in hospitals have photos of people dying or pictures of the latest fatalities? You seem to be very naive about the world around you.
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are you reading and comprehending what he is saying, parents? you want the scoop you can not "call the facility". come to fornits or any number of other sites where you'll get the full picture. don't make an uninformed decision that could have negative effect on your child for the rest of his/her life. do not entrust him/her to strangers. sadists tend to flock to these places. the facilities cut off communication and drive a wedge between parent and child. you will not know what actually happens to your child unless they liberate themselves from the conditioning after release and tell you.
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