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« on: September 03, 2007, 11:49:21 PM »
I just bought it and managed to get the nerve to watch this earlier tonight. If you havent bought it cause you think its a bit expensive....it is more than worth every penny. I you havent bought it cause your afraid to watch it, well I completely get that.

http://overthegw.com/news.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93ytskDgzV0

I couldnt believe how small the group was. I guess KIDS groups were much smaller than Straight? I hope a movie about Straight happens some day.....Over the GW was a damn good start, covered a lot of ground, but there is so much more to the story that must be told. But seriously it really was a damn good start. Thanks Nick....

I am still overwhelmed by emotion... I just woke up from a 3 hour nap I had to take after watching it.

I am still fighting back tears....its so hard to find the words but I can tell you its a combination of numbness, shock, sadness, pain, grief, etc. But no words adequately describe my reaction to this movie.

I just need to be still, be quiet, alone so I can try to figure out what is hitting me....its a lot at once.

It blows my mind that after 20+ years, after finding the forums a couple years ago, going through the PTSD diagnosis and therapy, that I still have bad moments like this, that its still so raw. It never goes away does it?
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2007, 12:10:25 AM »
I think I'll order it tomorrow.  I've been putting it off I guess.  I've watched the trailer and just that put me in an odd mood. Even from the clip I can see the group size.  I don't know how you'd capture the intensity and mob mentality that one that's 250 - 350 strong.  The sounds of those rows and rows of chairs all moving together, people coming up out of their seats, walls sweating and that smell, kids frothing at the mouth to be the first to strike.  How can you convey that?

Nick, please don't take that as I'm slamming your movie in any way.  I'm not, I haven't even seen it yet.  I'm just surprised every time I read about these small groups.  I never experienced anything lower that about 200 I would guess.  That may be conservative.

I don't think we can ever fully get over it, or leave it forever behind but maybe we can come to terms with it by understanding it.  That's what's helped me, at least.  That and being left the fuck alone for a very long time.
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Re: Over the GW
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2007, 12:52:06 AM »
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I just bought it and managed to get the nerve to watch this earlier tonight. If you havent bought it cause you think its a bit expensive....it is more than worth every penny. I you havent bought it cause your afraid to watch it, well I completely get that.

http://overthegw.com/news.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93ytskDgzV0

I couldnt believe how small the group was. I guess KIDS groups were much smaller than Straight? I hope a movie about Straight happens some day.....Over the GW was a damn good start, covered a lot of ground, but there is so much more to the story that must be told. But seriously it really was a damn good start. Thanks Nick....

I am still overwhelmed by emotion... I just woke up from a 3 hour nap I had to take after watching it.

I am still fighting back tears....its so hard to find the words but I can tell you its a combination of numbness, shock, sadness, pain, grief, etc. But no words adequately describe my reaction to this movie.

I just need to be still, be quiet, alone so I can try to figure out what is hitting me....its a lot at once.

It blows my mind that after 20+ years, after finding the forums a couple years ago, going through the PTSD diagnosis and therapy, that I still have bad moments like this, that its still so raw. It never goes away does it?


ill be watching it in a few weeks.  in some ways im really looking forward to it since my experience has always been hearing about what went on or seeing it from the perspective of a "sibling" but to see it on screen i think is gonna have a much larger impact then anything i've read etc.I really don't know what to expect or how I'm going to react.

hang in there. im glad you watched it and hopefully it will bring some healing when all is said and done. *hugs*
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2007, 09:40:41 AM »
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I think I'll order it tomorrow.  I've been putting it off I guess.  I've watched the trailer and just that put me in an odd mood. Even from the clip I can see the group size.  I don't know how you'd capture the intensity and mob mentality that one that's 250 - 350 strong.  The sounds of those rows and rows of chairs all moving together, people coming up out of their seats, walls sweating and that smell, kids frothing at the mouth to be the first to strike.  How can you convey that?

Nick, please don't take that as I'm slamming your movie in any way.  I'm not, I haven't even seen it yet.  I'm just surprised every time I read about these small groups.  I never experienced anything lower that about 200 I would guess.  That may be conservative.

I don't think we can ever fully get over it, or leave it forever behind but maybe we can come to terms with it by understanding it.  That's what's helped me, at least.  That and being left the fuck alone for a very long time.

Odd mood....yep that is me right now. I feel very strange indeed. Yeah, the group I was in in Cincy was fairly large too....close to 200 most of the time I was there. It didnt really drop off until the Michigan people started to leave right before I 7 stepped and even then it was probably still close to 100. I remember the noise, the sweaty bodies and walls, the screams, etc.

With a small group that aspect was not captured in the movie. But that may very well have been the reality when Nick was in KIDS. However the things Nick did capture were important and to be quite honest, suprised me how well he did it. The intesity was conveyed for other aspects. I wont get specific....dont want to ruin it for anyone. I will say that aside from the small group size, the things portrayed in the film were for the most part just like Straight.

If a movie about Straight is ever made, I think the only way to come close to showing it is film a huge group of people....I am sure a lot of extras and a higher budget would be needed. Wow how to you train 200 people how to motivate, how to verbally abuse each other, etc? That would be one huge task.....but a necessary one to show Straight accurately.
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2007, 09:44:35 AM »
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ill be watching it in a few weeks.  in some ways im really looking forward to it since my experience has always been hearing about what went on or seeing it from the perspective of a "sibling" but to see it on screen i think is gonna have a much larger impact then anything i've read etc.I really don't know what to expect or how I'm going to react.

hang in there. im glad you watched it and hopefully it will bring some healing when all is said and done. *hugs*


Yeah the movie will be very enlightning for you. I dont know how you will react either but I can see this movie being hard to watch for anyone. It seems like exposing those bastards is the only way I ever feel any "healing".....I hope more movies are made!
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2007, 09:52:18 AM »
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Wow how to you train 200 people how to motivate, how to verbally abuse each other, etc? That would be one huge task.....but a necessary one to show Straight accurately.

Been there, done that!  :rofl:

They could just set up their cameras in the group room at SIBS for a while... It would cost less than it would to train all those extras...
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2007, 11:47:42 AM »
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I'm just surprised every time I read about these small groups.  I never experienced anything lower that about 200 I would guess.  That may be conservative.
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With a small group that aspect was not captured in the movie. But that may very well have been the reality when Nick was in KIDS. I will say that aside from the small group size, the things portrayed in the film were for the most part just like Straight.  If a movie about Straight is ever made, I think the only way to come close to showing it is film a huge group of people....I am sure a lot of extras and a higher budget would be needed. Wow how to you train 200 people how to motivate, how to verbally abuse each other, etc? That would be one huge task.....but a necessary one to show Straight accurately.


It may have not been reflected in the film as Nick was in KIDS years after other facilities were closed.  New Jersey, the first and last KIDS facility to remain open was under investigation which had an impact on the number of intakes, reducing numbers of teens in group.  Group was definitely smaller during the latter years but we definitely also had anywhere from 150-250 teens in group at a time in KIDS.
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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2007, 09:59:04 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsSKOKjiXh8


I just bought it and managed to get the nerve to watch this earlier tonight. If you havent bought it cause you think its a bit expensive....it is more than worth every penny. I you havent bought it cause your afraid to watch it, well I completely get that.

http://overthegw.com/news.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93ytskDgzV0

I couldnt believe how small the group was. I guess KIDS groups were much smaller than Straight? I hope a movie about Straight happens some day.....Over the GW was a damn good start, covered a lot of ground, but there is so much more to the story that must be told. But seriously it really was a damn good start. Thanks Nick....

I am still overwhelmed by emotion... I just woke up from a 3 hour nap I had to take after watching it.

I am still fighting back tears....its so hard to find the words but I can tell you its a combination of numbness, shock, sadness, pain, grief, etc. But no words adequately describe my reaction to this movie.

I just need to be still, be quiet, alone so I can try to figure out what is hitting me....its a lot at once.

It blows my mind that after 20+ years, after finding the forums a couple years ago, going through the PTSD diagnosis and therapy, that I still have bad moments like this, that its still so raw. It never goes away does it?[/quote]
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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2007, 05:35:42 PM »
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsSKOKjiXh8


I just bought it and managed to get the nerve to watch this earlier tonight. If you havent bought it cause you think its a bit expensive....it is more than worth every penny. I you havent bought it cause your afraid to watch it, well I completely get that.

http://overthegw.com/news.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93ytskDgzV0

I couldnt believe how small the group was. I guess KIDS groups were much smaller than Straight? I hope a movie about Straight happens some day.....Over the GW was a damn good start, covered a lot of ground, but there is so much more to the story that must be told. But seriously it really was a damn good start. Thanks Nick....

I am still overwhelmed by emotion... I just woke up from a 3 hour nap I had to take after watching it.

I am still fighting back tears....its so hard to find the words but I can tell you its a combination of numbness, shock, sadness, pain, grief, etc. But no words adequately describe my reaction to this movie.

I just need to be still, be quiet, alone so I can try to figure out what is hitting me....its a lot at once.

It blows my mind that after 20+ years, after finding the forums a couple years ago, going through the PTSD diagnosis and therapy, that I still have bad moments like this, that its still so raw. It never goes away does it?
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Wait a minute.  I'm confused.  I thought Nonconformist wrote this.  I didn't see any new text  to indicate a quote.

What am I missing?

 :(  :question:
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 numbness, shock, sadness, pain, grief, etc. But no words adequately describe my reaction to this movie.
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2007, 09:40:55 PM »
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I just bought it and managed to get the nerve to watch this earlier tonight. If you havent bought it cause you think its a bit expensive....it is more than worth every penny. I you havent bought it cause your afraid to watch it, well I completely get that.

http://overthegw.com/news.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93ytskDgzV0

I couldnt believe how small the group was. I guess KIDS groups were much smaller than Straight? I hope a movie about Straight happens some day.....Over the GW was a damn good start, covered a lot of ground, but there is so much more to the story that must be told. But seriously it really was a damn good start. Thanks Nick....

I am still overwhelmed by emotion... I just woke up from a 3 hour nap I had to take after watching it.

I am still fighting back tears....its so hard to find the words but I can tell you its a combination of numbness, shock, sadness, pain, grief, etc. But no words adequately describe my reaction to this movie.

I just need to be still, be quiet, alone so I can try to figure out what is hitting me....its a lot at once.

It blows my mind that after 20+ years, after finding the forums a couple years ago, going through the PTSD diagnosis and therapy, that I still have bad moments like this, that its still so raw. It never goes away does it?



Over the GW copyright infringement???????
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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2007, 10:07:19 PM »
Huh?
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2007, 12:05:22 AM »
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I just bought it and managed to get the nerve to watch this earlier tonight. If you havent bought it cause you think its a bit expensive....it is more than worth every penny. I you havent bought it cause your afraid to watch it, well I completely get that.

http://overthegw.com/news.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93ytskDgzV0



"TALK 2 U-TUBE" IT'S FREE EMANSIPADED INFORMATION. WATCHING IT IS THE WHOLE POINT. LIKE FROD SAID: Huh ?
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2007, 08:58:56 PM »
It got here today.  I'm half way through it.  At first, I said I didn't want to watch it alone, but now I feel differently.  I started watching it on the laptop before my daughters got here and I told them that I'll finish it and give it to them to watch.

So far it's great.  Nick has the sense of doom and dread.  If you don't know the story behind it and some of the details about what went on inside, some things may fly right over your head, but the 'gist' is there..  That's about the only complaint I have and its not even that.  Its hard to condense two years into an hour and a half or so.  The shots of the sister, so alone, so confused by her brother, so angry.  You got it.  And I haven't even finished it yet.  I can't.  I have to do it in stages I guess.

Nick, you brought me to tears.  That's expected since I went through it, but its not just me.  My friend that I've spoken about here lately (the one that knew me before Str8) watched it too.  She said about two sentences to me which amounted to, through broken tears, "Oh my god.  I had no idea.  None of us did.  I'm so sorry".  The biggest comfort I have is that none of my friends who are parents will ever, EVER do this to their children.

Nick, you've done an awesome job!
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2007, 09:58:35 PM »
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Huh?


Meaning possible copyright infringement on nick's part....not on you tube miss Anne Bonney.
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