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« on: September 01, 2007, 01:44:18 PM »
My mother made the decision to send me to Spring Creek on an impulse.  It took 100+ pages of letters for her to finally believe what I told her happening.  2 months later I was out.

I knew she regretted it all but for some reason she has the idea that saying she's sorry to her kid makes her look week or contradictory.  It's been several months but when I mention Spring Creek she will usually walk away from me or pretend like I don't exist.  The few times I have got her to talk to me about it she's defended her obvious mistake to the point of absurdity.

I installed a keystroke recorder on the computer we share for an unrelated reason.  Instead of finding what I was looking for I saw her replying to an email from a friend she'd lost touch with with months ago.

"Life has been happening.  It's been pretty much a tornado since I saw you last. In a nutshell, My first lettters from had suicidal ideation (I reviewed them with the counselor here) and then subsequent ones were definitely suicidal.  He cried for the first month he was there.  His asthma was at its worst ever.  My family started sending me horror websites about the school.  I called and talked to a newspaper reporter that had written about the school.  's letters alleged a lot of misconduct by the boys and terrible things about the school.  I knew he was manipulating me, but it was hard to know where the truth was.  The family Rep did something I asked him not to do, so he lost my trust.  I told that if things were happening he needed to report them. After he reported two incidences (one severe bullying/sexual aggression between two boys the other physical/sexual harassment by staff), he was known as a snitch.  His letters to me were a cross between apologetic and anger, sensationalizing, and scary.  Other kids were verbally threatening him.  I was having nightmares and worried about his safety. I flew to Washington , met up with a male friend of many years, and we drove in his car from Washington to Montana to get him."

I hadn't heard anything close to this honest from my mother.  After deciding I had no issue with reading just those emails to and from my mother surrounding the 'school' I went ahead and did just that.

I felt extremely disgusted after reading through them all.  It started with the initial emails to/from Teen Help, then exchanges with the 'references' given to her by the referrer.  Only after I was 'safely' inside the school did my mother tell her own family what she had done.  Immediately she started receiving emails as she had said from her mother and sisters linking to the stories by John Adams, ISACCORP, wwaspsinfo, and others.  

The emails from the school were full of lingo and lies.  I had been told communication with my father who lives overseas could be done by email, and that it would not be read.  Of course it was inspected and I knew not to call for help in any explicit way but it angered me just the same when I found a full copy of our correspondence in my mother's 'save' folder.

The school ran into a problem when none of the pictures they sent to my mother had me smiling.  For two weeks I was conveniently scheduled to be in therapy during Family pictures.  When my mother asked them about it they did their best to give me the greatest day of my internment.  My family rep let me and a friend walk around the grounds out of line and with him alone.  He talked to us like human beings and had us doing small jobs for him in his office.  It was the first time I had been alone with someone I trusted in over a month.  I felt safe. At the end of the day our rep came back to his office and told us it was time to go.  As we walked out the door he made some joke.  The camera was waiting for me there and the moment was captured.

The rest of the emails from the school all stated that I was in some way being deceitful.  My therapist suggested that I was not sad at all, the nurses that I was exaggerating my asthma, and my rep especially with his programspeak.

Eventually it all got to her and she changed her mind.  She told her friends and family she was going to get me and she did.

I won't ever be able to discuss this with her because of the method I used to gain the information, and that is a little sad, but I don't think I ever would have been given this level of access anyway.
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2007, 02:23:51 PM »
I would like to talk to you sometime. I wonder - why do you think she has such a hard time talking with you about SCL when she is apparently not blind to the fact she was coned?  Do you suppose it could be an overwhelming sense of shame and a fear of appearing "stupid" in front of her son?  Maybe she wishes she could bring herself to speak with you about it but just can't face the emotions involved.

A lot of the kids will say their parents won't talk to them about it; but this seems to be the case with those who are what you would call "Program Parents" - those who are deeply committed to the Program and refuse to hear anything negative about it. This doesn't sound like your mom.

Where is your dad in al of this? Is it possible he might be able to help get your mom talking with you more honestly about the experience? How about your granma or aunts?  Could you talk to them about it - just say that you wish she would talk to you about it - Would that maybe be a way to help break the ice?

I do hope you will remove the key stroke spy wear from the family machine. That was excessively sneaky.  

Can you think of anyway to explain you have seen the email and wish that she would talk with you about them? Or, just say that you are aware she talks about SCL with others, and you wish she would also talk honestly with you?

Do you know about the Civil action that's been filed against WWASPS and related entities? I could give you contact info for the law firm, if you and your mom wanted to explore the possibility of entering as plaintiffs.  

Feel free to write me.

BTW - so you know - I am a mom who once sent her son to a WWASP program. I also came to regret it. There are quite a lot of us out here - and tons of ex-"students" like yourself.
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2007, 02:24:50 PM »
:X And as I go through again I find an unread email from my therapist to my mother dated the day I was pulled.

"Hi, I just found out today that Marshall is at Sky View..."

I'm going to assume that if a staff member believes that nonsense then it was definitely told to the kids in my family.  According to Spring Creek nobody has ever gone home after being pulled.
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2007, 03:42:34 PM »
I checked out the web page for this school. The campus looks beautiful. Oh the sick shit that went on behind the scenes you share is unreal. Btw I am a mother of a teen I was considering sending to a boarding school. No way now !@
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2007, 03:51:20 PM »
I do not believe the keystroke logger is excessive. The mom broke whatever trust they had when sending them off. This person is simply trying to find out what happened and what choice do you have when everyone is lying to you but to take matters in your hands. Good job finding out what went down, and sharing with us. I hope she is able to apologize and tell then truth one day.
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2007, 03:57:55 PM »
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I checked out the web page for this school. The campus looks beautiful. Oh the sick shit that went on behind the scenes you share is unreal. Btw I am a mother of a teen I was considering sending to a boarding school. No way now !@

One kid out of a program.. I'm very happy you decided this. Please talk to your kid.  If you have to send them away have them live with a friend or relative.  If it's school put them in a real boarding school where they are allowed to leave and given basic rights.  Anything but a program.
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2007, 10:04:23 PM »
longcat states that his mother still defends her placement of him into this program. That is not a good sign; especially if he is under the age 18; and could be sent back to a program.

Since he has relatives who helped persuade his mother to withdraw him from the program - he might should confide in one of these relatives he trusts; and ask for help in bring the entire issue front-and-center.

This huge level of mistrust; and his mother's sense of denial, can not be contributing to longcat's mental and psychological adjustments.

If longcat was abused in this program - he needs to be receiving on-going therapy; not advice to sue a program at this stage in his recovery.  He needs his mother's honesty, and full belief, and support - not to have her turn away from him when he wants/needs to discuss the program.

It matters not how longcat found the information - He and his mother have many "trust issues" to resolve.  If he can forgive her for placing and leaving him in a program; she can easily get over a bit of  him snooping on her computer!
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2007, 10:08:54 PM »
ARMCHAIR PSYCHIATRIST FAILS.

Bleeding them to death in court is the best therapy.
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2007, 11:04:03 PM »
MOM has to admit she made a mistake in sending SON there first; and maybe ask the kid if he was abused?
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2007, 03:30:29 AM »
It's pretty easy for me to just hate her guts right now.  It's unrelated to this board but this isn't the only thing I've just found out that she's kept hidden from me.  What's difficult is to not be able to tell her why my eyes are so red and my lip is trembling when I walk past her.  My parents are separated and moving out right now seems like a pretty healthy idea.  I can't say this is all because of the school but it's definitely a huge part of it.

Just to be clear: I can't honestly say I was anything but mentally abused.  The only time anybody touched me their was on my fourth day when my family rep punched me in the gut while I was in line.  While you're in line you're not allowed to move or make any noise - I didn't.  The worst part for me being there was feeling betrayed and abandoned.  I didn't resist much, but they knew I wasn't taking any of it in.  "Your mother signed a contract saying you'd be here till you graduated the program," "we've had lots of kids like you before - they all eventually gave in and 'worked their programs."

It's pretty tough being denied all your rights and once they're gone it's near impossible to get them back.  How do you get the right to free speech without being able to say what's on your mind? Peaceable assembly without being able to organize?

I'll let myself cool down first.  I've got some difficult questions to ask her.
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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2007, 11:41:30 AM »
If you were punched in the gut that is physical abuse. I have also always argued that the restricted diet was a combination of mental and physical abuse. I'd bet you were plenty hungry in those early weeks. The sleep depravation fits this category as well in my mind - being both a kind of physical and mental abuse.  And actually, the punch in the gut also cuts both ways - as anyone who has been punched in the gut for no good reason and with out any warning will be in a state of on-going fear it will happen again.

I am sorry to read that you feel so badly about your relation with your mom. Bad for you, and bad for her. I hope in time you will both be able to repair the damage that has been done.

Maybe Fornits can function as a kind of "talk" therapy - to help you express some of your hurt and anger. Maybe it will help. I hope so.
There are a lot of ex-WWASP students on MySpace; and several survivor groups. This might also be worth exploring if you think having a private place to talk with others who have been there might help.

There are also other forums you might want to look at - Psy has a good one where you would be able to talk freely with other survivors.  Anti-wwasp has one as well.

If you feel you'd like to make a more formal public statement, I know ISAC would like to help you with that.

Your going through a very hard time right now - but it will get better.
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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2007, 12:13:50 PM »
Do not be fooled into thinking anybody on Fornits wants to help you or cares about you. Fornits is not therapy. WWASP posts and reads this site.
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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2007, 01:06:25 PM »
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Do not be fooled into thinking anybody on Fornits wants to help you or cares about you. Fornits is not therapy. WWASP posts and reads this site.


No - Fornits don't give a hot dam about anyone. Fornits is a web site. But the people who use this web site are a different matter.

The people who use this web site are a diverse group. Some like Fornits itself, don't give a hot dam about anyone (except their own precious selves)  Others do care, and will lend an ear, or assist this kid, or any other, in what ever way they can.  Some are just lurking. Some of the lurkers have malicious intent,  and some don't.  

Sure WWASP reads fornits. Everybody reads fornits. Some won't admit it, but they read it. This doesn't diminish the fact having a place in cyber space where a person can contact and communicate with others, and hash out the issues relating to life's trauma, might be helpful.  Just learning your not alone with something can be helpful. Having your perceptions validated can be helpful.

Fornits is helpful in these ways. It doesn't matter that the evil cartel also read it. When they occasionally try posting, it can be down right fun to watch them prove what arrogant, ignorant assholes they are. This too can be helpful.

Yeah, I do think fornits has the potential to be therapeutic. On the other hand, for some, it can drive them to fits of sputtering rage and the need for a shot of Thorzene or Haldol.
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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2007, 01:59:58 PM »
The "people" who use this website are nothing more than carefully constructed false personalities with agendas.
Original poster- be careful who you trust with your information and who claim to contact you with a sympathetic ear and claim to want to help.
They have their own agendas that need abuse stories like yours to exist, they are sick sick people.
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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2007, 02:01:30 PM »
Fuck off.
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