Inspired by discussion in "14yo boy's death at Aspen&am

[Anonymous]

*cringe*

[TheWho]

Oh, Brother, Even "Natural Selection" has its bad days, I guess.

[Antigen]

American public schools have a lot in common with TT behavior mod programs. Uniformity of thought and behavior, compliance with and acceptance of authority, and a one size fits all least-common-denominator approach to imparting only the information that society decides should be known to all citizens. Independent thought and radical viewpoints are just as discouraged in the public schools as they are in TT programs.

Yep, this is pretty much my answer to the most common concern about homeschooling; socialization. It's funny, too, how firmly planted is the myth that schooling provides positive socialization. Many times strangers have remarked on how competent, confident, polite and just nice my kid is and how rare kids like that are these days. When I say they don't go to school, they'll go right to "well how do they get socialization then?" Answer: I don't send them to school lol

There are a few rays of hope. Some of them emanate from alternative schools, including some charter schools, but most of them emanate from parents who prefer to teach their children not to be sheep, to be suspicious of authority figures who claim to hold the "truth" and to be wary of going with the flow and following the masses.

Yup, that's what did it for me, my dad. Despite all the schooling my dad made sure we were skeptical.

[Anonymous]

Where did the guest post with the video go?
Hanzo's post right after it, quoting it is still there.
Is that some kind of glitch or was it deleted on purpose for some reason and not the quote of it which seems strange?

[Ursus]

Where did the guest post with the video go?
Hanzo's post right after it, quoting it is still there.
Is that some kind of glitch or was it deleted on purpose for some reason and not the quote of it which seems strange?

Perhaps it was from another thread?

[Ursus]

I think the concept of charter schools attracts a lot of people with good intentions.  Sometimes that is sufficient to make a quality difference in a given situation.  

The concept also attracts a lot of people with not so good intentions, however; witness Gauld's Hyde Leadership Charter Schools.  He's tried them in several places, seems to have about a 50% take rate, perhaps less (they close half the time due to parental and school district dismay).  Where they have been "successful," i.e., not closed down, is crime-infested urban ghettos where the alternative for kids is so unbelievably dismal that any alternative is gratefully accepted.  From their standpoint, Gauld offers them a chance for a different life.

"No-thanks":  Gardiner, ME; Oakland, CA; Springfield, MA.
"Here-we-go":  New Haven, CT; Washington D.C.; Bronx, NY.

The above list may not be complete.  He's tried in someplace in Maryland, yet the website has not been updated for almost a year (after having been in operation for a few months); I'm not sure what's going on there.  That school seems to have more of an overt religious influence (vestiges of the school it replaced, perhaps?).

There may be a few other locations as well.  Hard to obtain info on the failures.  Reference on the internet virtually disappears in those cases.

[Oz girl]

Is there any criteria for funding for a charter school to be withdrawn?

[Ursus]

From what I recall of the locations that the Hyde Leadership Charter School model has been unsuccessful, I am under the impression that it was not a funding issue but one where the school board was at loggerheads with Joe, and/or there was an parental uproar over certain untenable privacy and/or student's rights issues.  Of course, I guess ultimately it is six of one or a half dozen of the other (funding vs. ideological differences)...

[hanzomon4]

Where did the guest post with the video go?
Hanzo's post right after it, quoting it is still there.
Is that some kind of glitch or was it deleted on purpose for some reason and not the quote of it which seems strange?

Perhaps it was from another thread?

Nope it was right before my post

[Deborah]

Where did the guest post with the video go?
Hanzo's post right after it, quoting it is still there.
Is that some kind of glitch or was it deleted on purpose for some reason and not the quote of it which seems strange?

Perhaps it was from another thread?

Nope it was right before my post

No reason other than "do we need two"? Hanzo's was left because it contained a comment. The other had no comments, just the video. If it was somehow different, repost it, and accept my apology.

[Anonymous]

I was curious because I never had a post of mine deleted before even on cluttered pages.

[3xsaSeedling]

mine either....
and some I wish had been   :smokin: