Cinnamon Hills

[Anonymous]

site for RRCS parents limited access
http://http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138108

[Anonymous]

Cinnamon Hills provide a safe and healthy environment. Our staff of 195 full-time professionals serve, treat, and educate 132 students

This is a bunch of shit, 195 staff to 132 students.  I was watching all weekend, and there was no 132 staff members.  I couldn't even count 20.

[nimdA]

20 staff to 132 residents breaks down to about 6.5 residents per staff providing that each and everyone of those staff members are in coverage. Given that most of these places are shift work style placements that means far less than 20 are on duty at any given time.

At best 7 to 9 staff were on duty stilting the ratio of staff to residents even lower.

So more like about half that is in coverage giving it a 13/15 to 1 ratio. Given that it appears that the facility does the cooking for the kids the ratio goes even higher when some of that staff no doubt is more than likely the cook and such.

With this in mind its possible that a 16 residents to 1 staff ratio exists at Cinnamon Hills.

Why hasn't this place rioted yet?

They could burn it to the ground before the police even got the phone call.

[Anonymous]

I took photos of the outside looking in, think I am going to email them to Psy, along with some film footage I took of Sorensons that I forgot I had.

[nimdA]

Post them here on fornits. Just use a photobucket account and post them.

[Ursus]

This place has absolutely zero staff or administrative personnel noted on their website. Supposedly, parents will be furnished with a directory of whom to contact, upon admission of their kid.

According to Network Solutions, their website is registered to a Vincent Davis. His registration address is the same as the facilty's:

Registrant:
   Cinnamon Hills Youth Crisis Center
   770 E. St. George Blvd
   St. George, Utah 84770
   United States

   Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
   Domain Name: CINNAMONHILLS.COM
      Created on: 17-Dec-99
      Expires on: 17-Dec-12
      Last Updated on: 23-Feb-09

   Administrative Contact:
      Davis, Vincent  domains@vincentdavis.net
      Cinnamon Hills Youth Crisis Center
      770 E. St. George Blvd
      St. George, Utah 84770
      United States
      7203013003      Fax --

   Domain servers in listed order:
      NS19.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
      NS20.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

[Ursus]

"Youth whose potential has been stopped"... is there such a thing? That's kind of how you describe someone who is already dead. I guess they are really playing into the "deadinsaneorinjail" hysteria here...

From their home page:

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Cinnamon Hills treats youth whose potential has been stopped because of emotional, attitudinal or chemical dependency issues; whose parents want them in a safe secure environment to address and work on their issues with staff sensitive to their particular challenges. Our program does not have a boot camp or out-door program approach to treatment. We treat and educate male and female youth in separate programs; we are not co-educational.

Treatment of Youth
Youth at Cinnamon Hills have one or more of the following issues:

• Behavioral Issues
• Chemical Dependency / Addiction Issues
• Mental Health Issues
• Dual Diagnosis

Based on their social, delinquent and behavioral/emotional histories and psychiatric and psychological evaluations, an individualized treatment plan is developed for each student. Regular utilization review meetings are conducted by the student's Treatment Team to determine if he/she is making the desired treatment progress in the following areas:

• Individual Counseling
• Group Therapy
• 12-Step Substance Program (including A.A. and N.A.)
• Vocational Training
• Organized Recreational and Physical Conditioning
• Individual Education Plan Progress
• Social Skills Training
• Life Skills Preparation

[Anonymous]

Supposedly, parents will be furnished with a directory of whom to contact, upon admission of their kid.

Looks like they can't bear getting Ursinated.

[Ursus]

Supposedly, parents will be furnished with a directory of whom to contact, upon admission of their kid.

Looks like they can't bear getting Ursinated.

Lol! Nice pun there, sharpster!   :rofl:

[Ursus]

This page repeats some info mentioned previously, i.e., the reference to "Eyeball Supervision" and that 195:132 staff to student ratio, lol...

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How We Can Help

Cinnamon Hills can help you. We provide a safe and healthy environment. Our staff of 195 full-time professionals serve, treat, and educate 132 students. The staff is made up of doctors, nurses, therapists, educators, child-care staff, administrators, and support staff. Our team creates an environment that builds youth through:

Academics
Upon admission students receive the Woodstock/Johnson assessment. With these test results certified teachers prepare a Student Education Plan designed to improve academic deficiencies. Students can also complete the requirements for a G.E.D. High School Diploma equivalency.

Program Structure
Cinnamon Hills utilizes "Eyeball Supervision," meaning that the youth are under direct observation by staff at all times. Staff supervise all activities to ensure that youths' behavior is under control and that the environment is safe for students and staff.

Vocational/Life Skills
The vocational program helps students gain skills to prepare for the future. Students are taught specific skills to give them the experience necessary to lead a productive life. The vocational program will help them develop a feeling of personal self worth and achievement as they participate in vocational training.

Documentation and Reporting
Cinnamon Hills follows Utah State Licensing and Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations (JCAHO) standards of documentation, following all guidelines and confidentiality requirements. Comprehensive reports are sent to all parties involved in the treatment process.

Recreation
Youth enjoy recreational activities as well as daily aerobics and calisthenics, according to their physical capabilities. Recreational activities include swimming, bowling, movies, board and video games, basketball, etc.

Therapy
Youth are involved in individual, group, and family telephone therapy each week. The therapist will address the issues the youth has been experiencing personally and within his or her family and community, help the youth build strength and confidence in areas of weakness, and to prepare the youth for family reunification.

Group Living
The living environment is structured to be safe from self-harm and harm from other students. Cinnamon Hills utilizes "Eyeball Supervision" meaning that the youth are under the direct observation by staff at all times. Yet Cinnamon Hills staff are supportive and are sensitive to the problems of individual youth.

[Anonymous]

This place was started by one of the guys that started Provo Canyon School...think old Provo, how it was 30 years ago and you will get the picture.  I think his name is Jack Williams. Also, this place is on the list for Non-public Schools for the state of CA and they actually pay for placements there when they feel the kid can't be served in their state.

[Ursus]

This place was started by one of the guys that started Provo Canyon School...think old Provo, how it was 30 years ago and you will get the picture.  I think his name is Jack Williams.

Yep. It's that kind of place. Take a look at the full name: Cinnamon Hills Youth Crisis Center. Thanks for the info on the founder.

Also, this place is on the list for Non-public Schools for the state of CA and they actually pay for placements there when they feel the kid can't be served in their state.

Do you know whether this is still the case? There have a number of letters filed advocating for a removal of Cinnamon Hills from that list due to abuse cases. A kid lost a front tooth after being slammed into the ground during a restraint.

This place came to my attention thanks to an article that Oscar provided a link for, i.e. THIS thread. A Canadian kid almost got sent there, much against the wishes of his grandparents (his former legal guardians). I say "former" since in Nova Scotia, in order to get your kid help that you can't afford, you have to relinquish your parental rights. And then you have no more say in the decision making. A lot of parents are pressured into "volunteering" their kids like this. Nova Scotia seems to send a lot of their "difficult cases" to ... Cinnamon Hills. They must have an arrangement like California does/did.

[Oscar]

I got one of our newer volunteers to infiltrate this message board mentioned in this thread a couple of posts back. What he did discover was quite shocking.

We have this girl, which is lured to Utah. What did she do?

According to these posts (here) and (here):

1) She took her GED.
2) She got a job.
3) She stayed clear of legal trouble and just managed her job quietly.

Troubles with my 17 year old continue and she moved out yesterday and I'm a mess! It's such a long story but I sure could use your prayers for her safety. She just doesn't care about anything right now and is living with friends, working at Checkers and that's it! I've tried everything and have decided to give her this time. Luckily, she works right around the corner so I guess I'll be eating lots of Checkers for awhile.

Thanks to everyone for all your help. I've been making phone calls forthe past hour and it doesn't seem like I'm getting where. It seems like my daughter needs to either get arrested or undu her GED. Grrrrrrrrrr...............

So this was no troubled teen. It was a teen who used her time working and taking a GED while figuring out what to do in her life. Of course the mother couldn't get help to fix nothing in California, but then she found her answer in the teen prison state in the US.

Then the mother lured her daughter off to Utah. Her husband was not on the boat, so she borrowed money from her parents. They broke the daughter at the facility and now the mother got her cheap labor, which you can read (here).

My daughter, Alli, is interested in helping me with my bead business when she comes home in 2 weeks from Utah. I'd love to teach her how to make beads but, as I was thinking about it, I realized that it might be different 'cause she's a lefty.

What did they achieve at all?

[Ursus]

I got one of our newer volunteers to infiltrate this message board mentioned in this thread a couple of posts back. What he did discover was quite shocking.

We have this girl, which is lured to Utah. What did she do? . . .

That was Red Rock Canyon School that Alli got sent to. Same town/city, but different facility.

Sue Scheff used to, and perhaps still does, refer to RRCS. Gayle Palmer DeGraff used to be their Admissions Director.

Maybe cross-post this information in a Red Rock Canyon School thread?

[Anonymous]

20 staff to 132 residents breaks down to about 6.5 residents per staff providing that each and everyone of those staff members are in coverage. Given that most of these places are shift work style placements that means far less than 20 are on duty at any given time.

At best 7 to 9 staff were on duty stilting the ratio of staff to residents even lower.

So more like about half that is in coverage giving it a 13/15 to 1 ratio. Given that it appears that the facility does the cooking for the kids the ratio goes even higher when some of that staff no doubt is more than likely the cook and such.

With this in mind its possible that a 16 residents to 1 staff ratio exists at Cinnamon Hills.

Why hasn't this place rioted yet?

They could burn it to the ground before the police even got the phone call.

I am Jolene morgan from the heal pages. I didnt even get into most of the inhumane treatment of "students" But as far as the staff goes. They generally employ BIG (Samoan) people. Therefore they do not need to have a lot of them. (only correct as of 1999) Anyway. We had 1 staff on each of the lower units in the girls section. 1 for adseg (administrative segregation)  room, 1 for G2 girls (unless someone was training) Then we had 2 for G1 girls and all star girls. Unless they are counting the maintenance staff, cook's, dishwashers and teachers.... there is NO were near 195 staff... even IF they included Dano-man the cook.. and his wife... there STILL wouldn't be enough... This whole "treatment center" is a SHAM its FAKE. If you read any of the city counsel blogs the "owner jack" is CONSISTENTLY seeking new ways to undermine and expand the facility without permission. This place is NOT safe for kids. PLEASE do NOT send you child there. If you decide to anyway. Then you have been warned, and the damage to mental, physical health of your child will then be on YOU.  

PS.. why was there no riots? I sent a threatening letter to my Probation officer telling her that is EXACTLY what would happen should i be kept past my 18th birthday. I was released on my 18th B-day at 9am. I was put on a plane home from Vegas by 11. Home by 3. I guess i didnt know we held that kind of power. We never though to challenge it. WHY? Because most of us were not bad people! We are NOT the menace to society that the PO's and the system tried to make us out to be. None of us. If ANYONE should be locked up it should be the people who run CH.

I should NEVER have been there in the first place. I was NOT a drug addict nor a alcoholic, I left home when i was 16 to be with my 18 year old boyfriend. My parents didnt like it. So they made life hard.. My boyfriend then robbed my aunt so we could get money to move to Texas. ( i am NOT making excuses for him) It was WRONG very hurtful and wrong. However i was a love sick teenager and my BF had just gotten out of a boot-camp. I thought i would be protecting him by taking the wrap for it. So i did. I was a naive, ignorant, underage, sheltered, CHILD. I wasnt out of control, or abusive , or into drigs/drinking. I was a normal all American girl. I ended up in CH since i would not stay in group homes i requested emancipation several times. and was told that i could be emancipated with my diploma at CH. BS... i never graduated. ( i was made to repeat 12 grade 2 times!) I was never emancipated. I was abused and torn down to my core. You people can think however you like about "us" but the girls i knew. Most of them... NEVER should have even been locked up. We are human. No one deserves what CH did to us.

Like Tanya Pineda. Who ran away from her 33 year old husband from mexico. She had a 3 year old son and was only 16. She ran away to san Fransisco, Her husband had connections and ended up getting her into trouble for being out of control ect. He had her sent to CH! she was there for 6 months with me. Then I left and never got to speak to her again though she was a dear friend. I miss her so much. We cannot even get addresses or give addresses or anything to keep in contact with people we grew to love and cling to in our hours of desperation. Now i may never see her again.C