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Offline Anonymous

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« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2007, 09:29:06 PM »
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And Isabelle, if you are reading this, it's time you do a "reality-check", and decide how much you really need these people.  Ask yourself:  "Do I consider these people my friends, or associates, or what?"  Why am I doing this?  What's important to me?  WHO AM I HURTING?  Me?  Those families?  The movement?  How am I contributing to this?  How am I not contributing?  What have I done wrong?  I am sure that's a long list.  Wake up Isabelle, roll over, and do the right thing.


A leopard doesn't change his spots.

Anyone with integrity would not have chosen the road Izzy chose to go down.  Fundamental disconnect, IMO.

As far as "doing the right thing", that isn't even an option in my mind.

There is no room in the TRUE advocacy world for people who lack integrity.
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« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2007, 09:29:10 PM »
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Too funny, Isabelle always told me that she was "allergic" to alcohol


The word "always" would lead me to believe that you guys were friends, and for a long time.  Maybe you should re-phrase your posts, or at the least, re-think them before you hit the "submit" button.


Point taken, thanks, and corrected.  
I didn't even know of Isabelle's existence before late February, I think.  I have had numerous phone calls and emails with her, as anyone that thought she was helping them would have.
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« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2007, 09:34:06 PM »
Sandy

If you want to know when your coorespondence was with Isabelle, all you have to do is go back to the myspace site and see.  It's dated.  Please check yourself at the door before posting things to the effect that you "apparently" don't know when this occurred.  It doesn't look good.  I could go back and do it for you, but why bother.  I have my own shit to check.

checkmate
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« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2007, 09:38:00 PM »
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Sandy

If you want to know when your coorespondence was with Isabelle, all you have to do is go back to the myspace site and see.  It's dated.  Please check yourself at the door before posting things to the effect that you "apparently" don't know when this occurred.  It doesn't look good.  I could go back and do it for you, but why bother.  I have my own shit to check.

checkmate


That you Izzy?  Or a board member?

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
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« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2007, 09:38:29 PM »
Nope, "Guest", I don't have to check Myspace.  I did not meet Isabelle there.  I was verbally asked to talk to her.  The first written correspondence with her was March 4th.
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« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2007, 09:44:12 PM »
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Sandy

If you want to know when your coorespondence was with Isabelle, all you have to do is go back to the myspace site and see.  It's dated.  Please check yourself at the door before posting things to the effect that you "apparently" don't know when this occurred.  It doesn't look good.  I could go back and do it for you, but why bother.  I have my own shit to check.

checkmate


 :roll:

I don't blame such skepticism because this industry is full of people who have their own agendas for doing just about anything.  Advice to Sandy:  It's easier to calmly explain away accusations as you are doing, rather than get into an argument... and often you can figure out who it is you're talking to by what they know (or other ways...).
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« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2007, 09:44:20 PM »
Guest poster, you suggest Isabelle Zehnder do the "right thing:"

What suggestions would you have that might be the "right thing?"

Isabelle Zehnder wrote in an email that I, Joyce Harris, was trying to "ruin her career."  I honestly do not know what this woman's career really IS?

Zehnder has posted that she makes no money from her website, CAICA--so I assume that being the owner of CAICIA isn't "her career."

Zhender posts that she "gave up her legal career" to be an "ADVOCATE."
Is being an "ADVOCATE" a career?

Zehnder has posted about her company, Positive Family Solutions, which appears to be a money-making-business.
I assume this might be her "current career."

I'd like to ask Mrs. Zehnder:  Just exactly how does she believe I have tried to "RUIN HER CAREER" as a family coach?
I do believe she only recently started this business, didn't she?
I certainly haven't advised anyone to not do business with her.
I don't know anyone who has ever hired a "family coach," so I know nothing about this type of business.

Mrs. Zehnder has certainly gone out of her way to assure that I could be UNEMPLOYABLE, if any prospective employer read the Whitmore blog she has written about me; and if this prospective employer believed the lies she has written about me in this Whitmore blog.

According to Zehnder and Scheff's Whitmore blogs, these two women have written that  I am everything from a liar, a child abuser, to a woman of no morals.  Goodness--and Isabelle Zenhnder has to base any opinions she has about me on such hearsay and gossip that her blog contains a lengthy legal "sounding" disclaimer.

I would have no idea what would be the "right thing" for Mrs. Zehnder to do.  Perhaps, a starting point would be only writing the truth about people?
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« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2007, 09:50:32 PM »
I am sorry Sandy, but I have much skepticism.[quotSandy

If you want to know when your coorespondence was with Isabelle, all you have to do is go back to the myspace site and see. It's dated. Please check yourself at the door before posting things to the effect that you "apparently" don't know when this occurred. It doesn't look good. I could go back and do it for you, but why bother. I have my own shit to check.

checkmate


 

I don't blame such skepticism because this industry is full of people who have their own agendas for doing just about anything. Advice to Sandy: It's easier to calmly explain away accusations as you are doing, rather than get into an argument... and often you can figure out who it is you're talking to by what they know (or other ways...).
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I am not trying to start an argument Psy.  Honestly.  But a couple of comments have, to me, seemed a little to misleading, or, it was the way they were phrased, which is why I gave Sandy a headsup, not criticism.  Hope she took it that way.
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« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2007, 09:54:49 PM »
K, well, thanks for the "headsup", so to speak.  I will reread anything I post in the future but honestly, anyone can take almost any post and have problems with it.
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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2007, 09:57:12 PM »
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Guest poster, you suggest Isabelle Zehnder do the "right thing:"

What suggestions would you have that might be the "right thing?"

Joyce, it's me.  I am asking her to come clean with the information she has.  Her involvement in referrals, even if she asked they be kept confidentail, at least Psy could have come to her defense and said "look!  She's come clean".  

She could have taken the bashing for a little while, but redeemed herself by showing everyone that Sue Scheff does refer to WWASP facilities, provided proof, and given herself up too, sort of like a plea bargain, to show us that she really didn't know, or got herself so involved that she couldn't get out.  But instead, she's chosen to play games, and tried to avoid being prosecuted by everyone.  Well, too late for that.  The eyes and ears of the world, since WWASP is now trying to recruit from other countries, are upon her, and her handlings of this.[/quote]
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« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2007, 11:25:21 AM »
There's a lot of intrigue around here...ludicrous lies & schemes of deception..

These program people are some of the biggest con artists on the planet..

Like they said back at Straight -- "you can't con a con.." :rofl:
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« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2007, 11:38:25 AM »
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Like they said back at Straight -- "you can't con a con.."


Froderick that is similar to a quote that Scheff has made about WWASP and herself.  She has said, in an email, "it takes a con to con a con".
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« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2007, 11:49:19 AM »
Does anyone has a copy of the email where Sue Scheff actually made that statement about herself:  "It takes a con to con a con:"

Maybe, they could come forward and provide Carey Bock's attorney a copy of that email.  Isn't that one of the main issues in the current hearing?  That Carey Bock may have called Scheff "a con?"
If this is how Scheff may refer to herself--that should take care of that issue, right?
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« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2007, 11:57:35 AM »
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Like they said back at Straight -- "you can't con a con.."

Froderick that is similar to a quote that Scheff has made about WWASP and herself.  She has said, in an email, "it takes a con to con a con".

Hmm, I guess program catchphrases get around.
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« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2007, 12:41:09 PM »
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Like they said back at Straight -- "you can't con a con.."

Froderick that is similar to a quote that Scheff has made about WWASP and herself.  She has said, in an email, "it takes a con to con a con".


That quote comes from stepcraft (12 steppery).
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